Bhakti conflicting with Advaita?

[Guest guest]

How do respondents here feel about the integration of bhakti and

jnana yoga, that is being devoted to ishta and at the same time the

mind is aware that it is embracing it's own projection as it

contemplates the phenomenal world as illusion?

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

There is

no difference at the point of integration of Bhakti and Jnana.

 

Love, Bob

Rose

 

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Mike Hutchinson

[mdhutch999]

Thursday, December 30, 2004

2:05 AM

Ramakrishna

[sri Ramakrishna] Bhakti

conflicting with Advaita?

 

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How do respondents here feel about the integration of bhakti and

jnana yoga, that is being devoted to ishta and at the same time the

mind is aware that it is embracing it's own projection as it

contemplates the phenomenal world as illusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

There is no conflict. From bhakti you will get to the same place. (Samadhi)

Bhava-Samadhi... not Nirvikalpa. Of course, the is no good bhakta without

some study of scriptures (you need to get your ideal right). But once you

get Samadhi, you can " evolve " to Nirvikalpa, by reducing the " ideal " to

light.

 

All the paths are good, but the big door to Samadhi is Bhakti. Love can do

miracles, indeed. Devotion to the truth is a must. You have to put your

heart in it!

 

At least, that is what I think. he!

 

Namaskars!

 

PS: Sorry about my english.

" Mike Hutchinson " <mdhutch999

Ramakrishna

Ramakrishna

[sri Ramakrishna] Bhakti conflicting with Advaita?

Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:04:35 -0000

 

 

 

How do respondents here feel about the integration of bhakti and

jnana yoga, that is being devoted to ishta and at the same time the

mind is aware that it is embracing it's own projection as it

contemplates the phenomenal world as illusion?

 

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Om Namah Sivaya

 

Sri Ramakrishna’s saying : “Jnana Yoga is exceedingly

difficult in this age of Kali. In the first place, our

life in this age depends entirely upon food. Secondly,

the term of human life now is much too short for this

purpose. Thirdly, it is almost impossible in this age

to get rid of all the illusion that the Self is one

with the body, which cling to us. Now the conclusion

which the Jnani must come to is: ‘I am not the body, I

am one with the Universal Soul, the Absolute and

Unconditional Being.’ ‘ As I am not the body, I am not

subject to the conditions of the body, such as hunger,

thirst, birth, death, disease and the rest.’ One

subject to these physical conditions and yet calling

oneself a Jnani, is like a person who is suffering

from intense pain caused by a thorn that has run into

his hand and who nevertheless says, ‘Why, my hand is

not at all scratched or torn. It is all right.’ THIS

KIND OF TALK WILL NOT DO. First of all the thorn of

body-consciousness has to be burnt into ashes by the

fire of Jnana. "

 

 

Jnana and Bhakti are essentially the same. Look at the

various Stotras that Sri Adi Sankaracharya composed.

They indicate clearly that he had developed devotion

to a very high degree. Self-surrender leads to Jnana;

and Jnana is synonymous with Para Bhakti (extreme

devotion).

 

People nowadays condemn Bhakti and think that it is

inferior to Jnana Yoga. They have no understanding of

Bhakti. They think that they can jump at once to Jnana

Yoga Sadhana. They have really no faith in God. They

just acquire some intellectual conception of God. This

does not serve them. Jnana Yoga without the necessary

preparation is of no use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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