How can God allow such tragedies?

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Hi all,

 

Probably we can reason that it is the previous life's Karma that killed all those little children.

 

Could it have been prevented?

 

What could have saved those little children?

 

Should they have prayed more?

 

 

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Hi,

Can God cause an Earth Quake? Surely, He allows and only then shall it happen. Sovereign as He is, nothing can just happen accidentally and out of His control.

Now the question in focus is why God did it at all… All we can do is guess unless He wishes to reveal. But there is a great danger in guessing it wrong. Primarily we end up thinking God is something else than He is. The observation might seem to show that God did not get enough attention and he thought of buying it another means… God doesn’t thirst for attention; He has scores of angles worshipping Him in eternity…

Well natural calamities definitely expect us to question what God want to communicate to us… He did that if we read it’s good to be keen to know what the communication is… It could be specific and general . I personally would choose to look at this incident to see what I need to learn in response to it. I personally would choose to thank God to have allowed an earth quake under the water. Imagine an earth quake of that intensity (and frequency) on the land. It would have probably swiped 1/5th of the country. I thank God for that. It shows what God can do but doesn’t do!

I know I need to pray for my fellow country men… I need to pray for them even when there is no calamity (that’s true fraternal love)

It humbles me. I sometimes think I can do any thing with all advancement in science and that I am invincible… these calamities seem to bring all technology to naught! Every thing should shut up when God starts to speak!

Sorry for boring y’all with a long mail… nevertheless this is what I believe!

Regards,

Preethi

Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote:

 

Dear Vinay (copied to Hindu Council UK....pls feel free to distribute).

 

Let me attempt a response to the question sent by Vinay (Copied at the end of this email) on how do we justify God when such things happen? Please note the language, it is a 'mere attempt to respond'.

 

What Dr Rowan Williams is commenting on is the serious philosophic challenge faced by all world religions that arises from common sense.

 

If God is all-powerful and all-compassionate and all-knowing......why should a single living thing suffer for a single instance ( let alone thousands of human beings including innocent children be killed in such a violent manner )?

When we teach Advanced Hinduism we go to great lengths to compare the responses from the Abrahamic faiths and the Indian religions (including Hinduism).....but...

 

Dear friend do you know what is my response today?

Who cares what justification we offer to such tragedy or what mental gymnastics we carry out when we are faced with such questions?.... The important thing is that we do not sit back and look for justifications........What we have to do is to 'act' and do something to help those in distress.

 

Religion is not "that which gives answers to why such things happen" but tells us, "how to respond when such things happen".

 

Do you see where I am leading to? Buddha used a very good example to press this point home. He said, "Suppose you find someone who has been shot with an arrow, do you sit back and speculate where the arrow came, why it came, who shot it?.....Your duty (or religion) is to remove that arrow and help that person in distress......that is what religions are all about.

 

Hope this helped.

 

regards

dilip lakhani

Vivekananda Centre London

 

This Question came from Hindu Council UK office.

Fw: God's Existence

 

 

Question from @ Vinay Sharma

 

You have certainly read the remarks of Dr. Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, as head

of the Church Of England, and representative of 70 million Anglicans around the World that the existence

of God is under question following the Tsunami Disaster.

 

Hindu religion is perhaps the only religion which has an in-built solution to all situations beyond logical

explannation which cannot be explained by commonsense. Even the act of God permitting suffering and

devastation of poor innocent people and children is explained by deeds of earlier births.

 

In such a situation the Hindu Community is very keen to hear your views in relation to Hindu Religion. You

and all learned custodians of our religion should express their views on the situation arising out of such

drastic comments from a religious head of one of the largest religion. Is it time we debate on "DOES THE GOD

EXISTS"?

 

Vinay Sharma

EdgwareSri Ramakrishnaya NamahVivekananda Centre Londonhttp://www.vivekananda.co.uk

 

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Dear Guru Bhayies,

Similar to what Javier has expressed in the earlier

posting, our Thakur told a similar story in the

Gospel.

A farmer and his wife had a son after so many years

of their marriage and after so many prayers. They

were very fond of their only son. One day the son died

of a snake bite and the both the parents were thunder

stuck. Mother was weeping and wailing and no one

could console her. The next day morning the farmer

was getting ready to go to his field. His wife asked

him " how can you go to work after such a tragedy? " .

The farmer replied " after crying so much yesterday, I

fell asleep without my knowledge. In my sleep I had a

dream that I was very rich and we had many children

who were beautiful and good natured. My dream was

distured when I woke up. Now, I don't know if I have

to cry for losing the children in my dream or for the

loss of our " real " son. " . This approach is taken by

the Jnani's but a Bhakta thinks that everything is his

grace and tries to find a lesson in everything that

happens. Instead of trying to find why and because of

whom there is darkness, we can concentrate on how to

bring light for ourself and to others, as Jay has

pointed out in his posting.

 

Pranams,

Prasad

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God is represented by us,isn't he?We are the gods here and we and only we are in charge of all this,our misgiven passions and relations,relations with Nature and Earth also,we can't mistreat them like this...it is comfortable to seek the reasons somwhere else,but i'm affraid there's no such places or subtances.

 

Every such disaster brings on the surface more love and compassion,more understanding thus trying to make us aware of how we think and act,how will we...

 

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Dear All,

I have been travelling in Tasmania during Christmas Holidays. I have been driving all over the tasmania. When I heared that Tsunami hits our nation and other places, I felt disturbed. I almost lost faith in GOD.

Then while walking along the bushes, I find no animals, reptiles and even less birds. In most of the country sides, in the name of development and business, trees have been destroyed. Then I thought how cruel the human beings are? Birds build nest from the fallen sticks, not by destroying the trees and bushes. Before Human being, all animals lived in harmony ( eco-cycle). only animal who just came out of eco-cycle is Humans. They destroyed the animals in the eco-cycle.

If we list what we have done to the earth,

 

We never belong to the eco-cycle and we always destroy the nature for our so called imoprovements.( animals, Birds and trees)

Initially we Fish for our needs and little bit for market. But now we want all the fish in the ocean , becoz we want to export and make money. Kamini & kanjana.

Western thoughts have changed our peoples mind ( specially Asians), now we don't respect our nature. Who worship nature is treated like fool. we started beleiving that we, humans, are here to take every thing, not to give it back.

As Sri Krishna mentions in Bhagavat Gita, The worl is working as a big "Yajya" (sacrifice). Not only the lower animals, some times we also requires to scrifice.

As Swamiji mentions" if you only take from the nature, one day it will forcefully take it from you"

keeping all the above in mind, I feel, it is time for us to think to live with nature, not against it. At least, Easter people should not get influenced with Wester thouhts. If you watch America, their worst enemy is nature. They fear every second.

Now we should thinks about how to help the victims family to come out of grief and develop themselves. Not to leave so many orphans. This is the time to show our human devine nature.

This mail may sound horrible and in-human to many. But the fact is fact.

 

Thanks for allowing me to share the thouhts.

 

Shankar

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Namaskar Shankar,

 

Human beings are rebels by nature. If we follow the cycle... we aren't free

at all. Of course... in our way to freedom we do much damage but nature is

wise... and so are we. Eventually we will learn to live in armony with

nature... but for that to be posible.. we have to embrace our inner nature.

 

Mahadev

 

 

Shankar Sridharan <ss1969au

Ramakrishna

Ramakrishna

Re: [sri Ramakrishna] How can God allow such tragedies?

Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:00:01 -0800 (PST)

 

 

Dear All,

 

I have been travelling in Tasmania during Christmas Holidays. I have been

driving all over the tasmania. When I heared that Tsunami hits our nation

and other places, I felt disturbed. I almost lost faith in GOD.

 

Then while walking along the bushes, I find no animals, reptiles and even

less birds. In most of the country sides, in the name of development and

business, trees have been destroyed. Then I thought how cruel the human

beings are? Birds build nest from the fallen sticks, not by destroying the

trees and bushes. Before Human being, all animals lived in harmony (

eco-cycle). only animal who just came out of eco-cycle is Humans. They

destroyed the animals in the eco-cycle.

 

If we list what we have done to the earth,

 

We never belong to the eco-cycle and we always destroy the nature for

our so called imoprovements.( animals, Birds and trees)

Initially we Fish for our needs and little bit for market. But now we

want all the fish in the ocean , becoz we want to export and make money.

Kamini & kanjana.

Western thoughts have changed our peoples mind ( specially Asians), now

we don't respect our nature. Who worship nature is treated like fool. we

started beleiving that we, humans, are here to take every thing, not to

give it back.

As Sri Krishna mentions in Bhagavat Gita, The worl is working as a big

" Yajya " (sacrifice). Not only the lower animals, some times we also requires

to scrifice.

As Swamiji mentions " if you only take from the nature, one day it will

forcefully take it from you "

 

keeping all the above in mind, I feel, it is time for us to think to live

with nature, not against it. At least, Easter people should not get

influenced with Wester thouhts. If you watch America, their worst enemy is

nature. They fear every second.

 

Now we should thinks about how to help the victims family to come out of

grief and develop themselves. Not to leave so many orphans. This is the time

to show our human devine nature.

 

This mail may sound horrible and in-human to many. But the fact is fact.

 

 

 

Thanks for allowing me to share the thouhts.

 

 

 

Shankar

 

 

 

 

 

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