Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Dear jay, Well said. In gospel of SriRamakrishna, it is said that Iron becomes magnet by constent rubbing . So also man becomes God by constent thought of God. Paramahamsa kindled godly atmosphere around him There is a famous song in old Tamil film " manithanenbhavan Thaivamagalaam, vaari vaari vazhangum bodhu valla laagalaam....." Who are we to Gauge Sri Ramakrishna ? Mahendranathaguptha , author of Gospel said about Paramahamsa, “I am an insignificant person. But I live by the side of an ocean and I keep with me a few pitchers of sea water.when a visitor comes I entertain him with that" Let each one of us find own salvation. Love to all, Chandru Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote: rangeet senguptaRamakrishna Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 05:30[sri Ramakrishna] Namaste to you allHari Aum Tat SatGroup,I am just a man of 22. Women and men older than me in this group, deservesthe bestowal of sincere feelings of respect from my part, and I do tenderthat to them. I do not know what you people take Ramakrishna to be, andwould not like to hurt your feelings if my views contradict yours. I am aBengali, living in Kolkata... and have read the usual RamakrishnaLiterature...Kathamrita, Lilaprasanga, and most of Vivekananda's works.However, what I am not sure of, is the avataric claim that is adduced toRamakrishna himself. I can accept him to be a great mystic, perhaps thegreatest in the modern world....a siddha-purusha....and a Mukta-purusha.However, does that account for the fact that he is claimed(and thought tohave claimed himself) to be an Avatar?---------------responseDear RangeetYou have raised an interesting point. Each one of us sees Sri Ramakrishna inour own manner. The interesting thing is we do not actually see him but wesee a reflection of our own spiritual aspirations and reflect our owncapacity to come to terms with spirituality.Do you remember in the Gospel that Sri Ramakrishna used to ask variousvisitors, "How do you view this? " (pointing at himself). Can you see whathe was doing? He was checking out the spiritual depth of the visitor. Sojust as when we try and measure the depth of the sea, we end up byexhibiting our own limitations rather than measure the depth...we all cometo our own conclusions about who was Sri Ramakrishna : )jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Dear Ranjeet, Namaste. You raised a good question. When Swamiji had this question, the statement that Thakur was attributed to i.e. " He who was Rama and Krishna is Ramakrishna in this body " . It didn't stop there. It continued to finish as " Not in your vedantic terms. " It Thakur had really uttered these words, he claimed that he was an incarnation. In the books Sri Ramakrishna, the great master, Swami Saradananda mentioned that " even if you don't want to accept Thakur as an incarnation, try to appreciate his love to God, sincerity, detachment to the world, egolessness and try to imbibe them within u " Thakur never asked people to accept him as an incarnation. He tried hard to divert people's attention from worldly things to higher ideals of loving and serving God in humans. As Swamiji mentioned, you can accept Thakur as a mystic, vedantin, bhaktha, avatar or whatever, try to atleast one anna (one tenth) of what he had followed and be liberated. During Lord Rama's time, there were very few who accepted him as an incarnation. But this didn't stop Lord Hanuman to excel in his devotion to Lord Rama and to stick to his faith and hence achieve the highest purpose of life. Pranams, Prasad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Hello, Read " Sri Ramakrishna and his Divine play " by Swami Chetananda. This book is a translation of Swami Saradananda's " Sri Ramakrishna Lilaprasanga " . It answers this question in detail. regards, --Sunil --- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote: > > > rangeet sengupta > Ramakrishna > Tuesday, February 01, 2005 05:30 > [sri Ramakrishna] Namaste to you all > > > Hari Aum Tat Sat > > Group, > I am just a man of 22. Women and men older than me > in this group, deserves > the bestowal of sincere feelings of respect from my > part, and I do tender > that to them. I do not know what you people take > Ramakrishna to be, and > would not like to hurt your feelings if my views > contradict yours. I am a > Bengali, living in Kolkata... and have read the > usual Ramakrishna > Literature...Kathamrita, Lilaprasanga, and most of > Vivekananda's works. > However, what I am not sure of, is the avataric > claim that is adduced to > Ramakrishna himself. I can accept him to be a great > mystic, perhaps the > greatest in the modern world....a > siddha-purusha....and a Mukta-purusha. > However, does that account for the fact that he is > claimed(and thought to > have claimed himself) to be an Avatar? > > ---------------response > > Dear Rangeet > > You have raised an interesting point. Each one of us > sees Sri Ramakrishna in > our own manner. The interesting thing is we do not > actually see him but we > see a reflection of our own spiritual aspirations > and reflect our own > capacity to come to terms with spirituality. > > Do you remember in the Gospel that Sri Ramakrishna > used to ask various > visitors, " How do you view this? " (pointing at > himself). Can you see what > he was doing? He was checking out the spiritual > depth of the visitor. So > just as when we try and measure the depth of the > sea, we end up by > exhibiting our own limitations rather than measure > the depth...we all come > to our own conclusions about who was Sri Ramakrishna > : ) > > jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Prasad: As Swamiji mentioned, you can accept Thakur as a mystic, vedantin, bhaktha, avatar or whatever, try to atleast one anna (one tenth) of what he had followed and be liberated. In the english version of " Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna " it denotes one anna as 1/16th - the smaller the fraction - the more hope I feel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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