on god

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namaste friends

let me ask my doubt to to you

why should one worship god?

 

if i do not want wealth or health nor fame

and never want these to be present with me always

i even fear no calamities;

then why must i worship god?

 

those of you who can answer me kindly do give

me an answer

[Guest guest]

> namaste friends

> let me ask my doubt to to you

> why should one worship god?

>

> if i do not want wealth or health nor fame

> and never want these to be present with me always

> i even fear no calamities;

> then why must i worship god?

>

> those of you who can answer me kindly do give

> me an answer

 

-----------------------response--------------------

 

If you have all these you do not have to worship God........you are God

 

: ) jay

[Guest guest]

even on this level,where only aim or purpose could justify one's worship, an objective reason could be found;

 

if you don't need neither more wealth or health,that means that you've been already generously given the both (you are God ,for sure:)) .so,your worship is a direct expression of your grace and thankfulness.not many are as happy as you are.

 

on a higher level,being thankfull keeps you in harmony and ballance with the whole Universe,cause we are not and never will be separated units.

 

my kind of approach,of course

>mihaela<

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Say that

when you are sick and starving and alone.

 

Love, Bob

Rose

 

 

 

 

> namaste

friends

> let me ask

my doubt to to you

> why should

one worship god?

>

> if i do not

want wealth or health nor fame

> and never

want these to be present with me always

> i even fear

no calamities;

> then why

must i worship god?

>

> those of

you who can answer me kindly do give

> me an

answer

 

 

[Guest guest]

> > namaste friends

> > let me ask my doubt to to you

> > why should one worship god?

> >

> > if i do not want wealth or health nor fame

> > and never want these to be present with me always

> > i even fear no calamities;

> > then why must i worship god?

> >

> > those of you who can answer me kindly do give

> > me an answer

>

> -----------------------response--------------------

>

 

Namaste

 

I think the term 'worshipping god' has lost its true meaning.

Worshiping god does not mean, you have to worship god so nothing bad happens

to you.

The term 'worshipping god' is wrong, it should really be named 'Finding god'

or something similar.

The process which is involved in 'finding god' has bean renamed and

misinterpreted as 'worshipping god'.

As Dilip Bhai Lakhani has said, god these days is a perception of human

beings as a super-human,

who sits in a safe place with mystical magical powers, and one who must be

impressed or bad things will

happen to those that fail to pray to him hard enough. So in a way most

people think of god as a

dictator like Adolph Hitler, be nice to him or he'll hurt you. God must be

one bad-tempered person,

I prefer being ruled by Sadam Hussein or George W Bush.

Start thinking of god as a concept which you have to experience and you'll

replace the need for

'worshiping god' with the need to 'finding god' and inturn discovering your

true self.

 

Abhinay/Ashish

[Guest guest]

namaste

i certainly agree.

so you worship because u have fear of being

hungry

alone and sick

forget that fear

and u no longer have to..

sajith

 

 

Ramakrishna , " Bob Rose " <bobrose108@b...>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Say that when you are sick and starving and alone.

>

> Love, Bob Rose

>

>

>

>

> > namaste friends

> > let me ask my doubt to to you

> > why should one worship god?

> >

> > if i do not want wealth or health nor fame

> > and never want these to be present with me always

> > i even fear no calamities;

> > then why must i worship god?

> >

> > those of you who can answer me kindly do give

> > me an answer

[Guest guest]

Dear Sajith,

 

Praying and worshipping is not necessarily a selfish act.

 

It is in fact, a tuning of oneself to be in tandem with the universal

rhythm.

 

An allignment of oneself with the great flow of space and time that is

viswam.

 

A synchronisation of oneself with the might of collectiveness.

 

 

As you evolve in your prayers and worships, at some point, you may even

wonder what do you want to ask for, from the God!

 

Perhaps nothing.

 

It may even be possible that you stop going to the temples of worships for

you may find it is no longer sensible or meaningful!

 

Yet you can pray.

 

 

As you said, if you CAN (i.e. ARE IN A POSITION to) forget the hunger and

sickness, you may already be praying at that level, that you even do not

recognise that you are praying.......!

 

 

 

-love

viswam

[Guest guest]

Dear Sajith,

 

rather than " worshipping God " why not " love God " ....... n if u can

love God without knowing why indeed u r most blessed!!

 

You see, first a man worships God for health, wealth n for the

fulfilment of his desires (which never end!) but as he nears his

journey towards Godhead he is completely overwhelmed by God's love.

It

is only then that real devotion sprouts in him n then he no longer

needs any motive to worship nay love God. That's the reason why our

beloved Swamji cudn't pray to the Divine Mother for anything else

other than devtion n renunciation....n at that time when when his

family was was in dire straits...

 

if u still persist with ur query as to y one shud love God in the

first place then i quote Thakur's words " God-realization is the goal

of human life " n as u know everything has it's purpose right from a

bud which develops into a flower to this human life!

 

hope u attain that " i love God without knowing why " !

 

love,

Shyam.

 

> then why must i worship god?

>

> those of you who can answer me kindly do give

> me an answer

[Guest guest]

Namaste:

 

If you have no desires or attachments, then you are

liberated and abide in your true nature, which is the

peace that passes all understanding. If you are still

thinking of God as a concept and your " I " as a

concept, than you are very far from this peace.

 

When the " I " is gone, there are no questions like

this.

Until then, practice until the mind is still and the

questions and doubts disappear. All practice/worship

is a means to cleaning and quieting the mind.

 

When the mind is calm and clear, it will reflect your

true nature.

 

RD

 

 

 

 

 

 

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My view -

 

We worship God not because we want something from Him. We worship God for self-improavement (spiritually) so that we can realize overselves deep down and can be spared of the trivial matters that surround us that are nothing but distractions from our ultimate goal (which is union with the ultimate power).

 

Thanks..Ashish Mehta <am299 wrote:

> > namaste friends> > let me ask my doubt to to you> > why should one worship god?> >> > if i do not want wealth or health nor fame> > and never want these to be present with me always> > i even fear no calamities;> > then why must i worship god?> >> > those of you who can answer me kindly do give> > me an answer>> -----------------------response-------------------->NamasteI think the term 'worshipping god' has lost its true meaning.Worshiping god does not mean, you have to worship god so nothing bad happensto you.The term 'worshipping god' is wrong, it should really be named 'Finding god'or something similar.The process which is involved in 'finding god' has bean renamed andmisinterpreted as 'worshipping

god'.As Dilip Bhai Lakhani has said, god these days is a perception of humanbeings as a super-human,who sits in a safe place with mystical magical powers, and one who must beimpressed or bad things willhappen to those that fail to pray to him hard enough. So in a way mostpeople think of god as adictator like Adolph Hitler, be nice to him or he'll hurt you. God must beone bad-tempered person,I prefer being ruled by Sadam Hussein or George W Bush.Start thinking of god as a concept which you have to experience and you'llreplace the need for'worshiping god' with the need to 'finding god' and inturn discovering yourtrue self.Abhinay/AshishSri Ramakrishnaya NamahVivekananda Centre Londonhttp://www.vivekananda.co.uk The Princess of Faith

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[Guest guest]

If one does not care for health, wealth, fame and calamities (or death) in all honesty it is a sign of self realisation. Worshiping is actually meant to finally take you to that state where you are so fulfilled that you care for nothing. You have achieved the goal.

[Guest guest]

--- Ashish Mehta <am299 wrote:

 

>

> > > namaste friends

> > > let me ask my doubt to to you

> > > why should one worship god?

> > >

> > > if i do not want wealth or health nor fame

> > > and never want these to be present with me

> always

> > > i even fear no calamities;

> > > then why must i worship god?

> > >

> > > those of you who can answer me kindly do give

> > > me an answer

> >

> >

> -----------------------response--------------------

> >

>

> Namaste

>

> who told u to worship the God?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> why should one worship god?

 

Dear friend,

 

In the seventh chapter of the Bhagavad Gita, the following verse is

there :

 

16. O Arjuna, the greatest of the Bharata race! Four kinds of pious

men adore Me. They are the distressed one, the knowledge-seeker, the

wealth-seeker, and the knower.

 

So, it is not only the distressed or the desirous after worldy wealth

who worship the Lord. The knowledge seekers worship God too.

 

You do not have to worship God. This is one of the paths to Spiritual

Evolution. As Swami Vivekananda says,

 

Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest this divinity

within, by controlling nature, external and internal. Do this ... and

be free. This is the whole of religion. Doctrines, or dogmas, or

rituals, or books, or temples, or forms, are but secondary details.

 

As Jay points out, if you have neither any desires nor any fear, then

you already are God. There is a saying that only two types of people

are perfectly satisfied and fearless in this world - the perfect fool

and the perfectly spiritually evolved person.

 

Best wishes,

Ashish

[Guest guest]

Namaste Ashish,

Thakur often said that " interest " in God comes

when we need something or if we are stuck by his

wonderful powers. But when a devotee advances in

his/her " love " towards God, all these die down. U

don't care how great he is but u just love him for

love's sake. That is what Gopal Maa (desciple of

Thakur) did when she " lived " with little Krishna,

taking care of him. She never asked him to take care

of her, but she took care of him. That is the highest

form of love which the lover never asks anything in

return but is satisfied that he is loving his most

beloved. He doesn't expect a return love also, as

Gopis did with Krishna. Such a devotee is highest

than the Jnanis or Karma Yogis.

Swamiji, in his Bhakti Yoga told a story. When

Pandavas (I hope u know Mahabharatha) were defeated in

a game of dice and were sent to forests, Draupadi

asked Yudhistira, " You're such a noble man with all

virtues that Sri Krishna himself loves u so much. Why

should we suffer when the Lord is taking care of us? " .

For this Yudhistira said, " My wife! Look at the

beautiful Himalayas. Look how magnificient and breath

taking is it's beauty. I enjoy it's grandeur and

beauty. Do u want me to ask the Himalayas something

in return, because I am enjoying it's greatness? " .

That is how a true " Devotee " thinks. The rest are

still trying to achieve that state.

One great saint called Saibaba of Shirdi had so many

visitors coming to him asking for earthly benefits.

One of his attendant scolded a devotee telling him

that he shouldn't ask for earthy gains when visiting

such a great saint. To this the Baba told " Don't talk

to them like that. A hungry stomach can't concentrate

on God. When they attain certain position in their

life, with the grace of the Lord, their attention will

eventually turn to higher love. If they want only

earthly gains, the Lord gives them only that. "

 

Pranams,

Prasad

[Guest guest]

Namaste Prasad,

 

Your mail about Devotion is simply amazing......!!! Sometimes I always have the feeling that when painful things happen then God is nearing us and there is a Great good thing awaiting us...is this true???

 

Pranams

Jananiprasad pratapa <pratapaprasad wrote:

Namaste Ashish, Thakur often said that "interest" in God comeswhen we need something or if we are stuck by hiswonderful powers. But when a devotee advances inhis/her "love" towards God, all these die down. Udon't care how great he is but u just love him forlove's sake. That is what Gopal Maa (desciple ofThakur) did when she "lived" with little Krishna,taking care of him. She never asked him to take careof her, but she took care of him. That is the highestform of love which the lover never asks anything inreturn but is satisfied that he is loving his mostbeloved. He doesn't expect a return love also, asGopis did with Krishna. Such a devotee is highestthan the Jnanis or Karma Yogis. Swamiji, in his Bhakti Yoga told a story. WhenPandavas (I hope

u know Mahabharatha) were defeated ina game of dice and were sent to forests, Draupadiasked Yudhistira, "You're such a noble man with allvirtues that Sri Krishna himself loves u so much. Whyshould we suffer when the Lord is taking care of us?".For this Yudhistira said, "My wife! Look at thebeautiful Himalayas. Look how magnificient and breathtaking is it's beauty. I enjoy it's grandeur andbeauty. Do u want me to ask the Himalayas somethingin return, because I am enjoying it's greatness?". That is how a true "Devotee" thinks. The rest arestill trying to achieve that state. One great saint called Saibaba of Shirdi had so manyvisitors coming to him asking for earthly benefits. One of his attendant scolded a devotee telling himthat he shouldn't ask for earthy gains when visitingsuch a great saint. To this the Baba told "Don't talkto them like that. A hungry stomach can't

concentrateon God. When they attain certain position in theirlife, with the grace of the Lord, their attention willeventually turn to higher love. If they want onlyearthly gains, the Lord gives them only that."Pranams,PrasadSri Ramakrishnaya NamahVivekananda Centre Londonhttp://www.vivekananda.co.uk

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Devotees!

 

I would like to add two comments related to Prasad's

poetic description of bhakti:

 

Prasad: She never asked him to take care of her, but

she took care of him. That is the highest form of love

which the lover never asks anything in return but is

satisfied that he is loving his most beloved. He

doesn't expect a return love also, as Gopis did with

Krishna. Such a devotee is highest than the Jnanis or

Karma Yogis.

 

Comment: A real karma yogi or jnani would also act

without expectation of a reward. Sri Krishna says this

in the Gita. A karma yogi would act for the sake of

action, without attachment to the fruits of the

action. By definition this is what karma yoga is. A

jnani would act seeing that all is one Divine essence.

Is it compassion for your hand to put a band-aid on

your bleeding foot? Of course, these yogas are best

done with love and not the dry intellect. But Bhakti

without karma yoga is faith without works. They really

can't be separated. Knowledge without love isn't true

knowledge.

 

Prasad: One great saint called Saibaba of Shirdi had

so

many visitors coming to him asking for earthly

benefits. One of his attendant scolded a devotee

telling him that he shouldn't ask for earthy gains

when visiting such a great saint. To this the Baba

told " Don't talk to them like that. A hungry stomach

can't

concentrate on God. When they attain certain position

in their life, with the grace of the Lord, their

attention will eventually turn to higher love. If

they want only earthly gains, the Lord gives them only

that. "

 

Comment: Let's not mistake hunger for material greed.

They are a world apart. Swamiji said don't talk

Vedanta when people are hungry. He knows this from

direct experience. His father died suddenly and left

his family in great distress. His family went days

without eating. But your point is well taken. Thakur

said that when the child is content playing with its

toys the mother can easily work in the kitchen but

when the child cries she will stop what she's doing

and run and comfort her child. When we are tired of

our material toys and activities then we feel longing

for our mother and cry for her comfort. She will come

when we are truly in distress and want only Her....

 

love,

RD

 

 

 

 

 

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