what is man

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hey friends

 

i believe that every man is made up of body, mind and soul.

and not singulerly the soul .

our sages say man is soul. then i admit iam wrong

for i do have a great respect for them.

but those of u who can answer me -- tell me how am i wrong.

 

sajith...

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> i believe that every man is made up of body, mind and soul.

> and not singulerly the soul .

> our sages say man is soul. then i admit iam wrong

> for i do have a great respect for them.

> but those of u who can answer me -- tell me how am i wrong.

>

 

Dear friend,

 

I think you are right and so are our sages.

 

You are thinking in terms of " totality " and they are thinking in terms

of the " essence " .

 

Here is a quotation from Sri Ramakrishna

(http://www.kathamrita.org/kathamrita/k1sec09.htm):

 

" So long as you don't realize the Lord you must renounce

saying, `Not

this, not this.' They who have realized Him know that He has

become

all ­ Ishwara (the Lord), maya, jiva (the creatures) and jagat (the

world). Then they perceive that the world and its beings are nothing

but He. If you were asked to weigh the bel fruit after its shell,

kernel and seeds are separated, will you throw away the shell and the

seeds and weigh only the kernel? No, you will also have to take into

account the shell and the seeds, all these, while weighing. You can

tell the weight of the bel fruit only when you weigh all of them. This

world is the shell, the creatures are the seeds. While reasoning, they

called the world and its creatures as anatmam (not the Atman). They

called them unreal. While reasoning, you feel that only the kernel is

the all important thing and not the shell and the seeds. In the next

place, we reason that the shell and the seeds belong to the same

substance to which the kernel belongs. Understand the illustration of

the bel fruit and you will understand all.

 

" Anulom and vilom (evolution and involution). Butter goes with

buttermilk and buttermilk goes with butter. If there is buttermilk,

there is also butter. If there is butter, there is also buttermilk. If

there is Atman, there is also anatma (non Atman).

 

" The Nitya (Absolute) belongs to the same Being to which the leela

(phenomenal world) belongs and the leela belongs to the same Being to

which the Nitya belongs. He who is perceived by the name of Ishwara

has Himself become the jiva and the jagat (the world). He who has

understood it knows that God Himself has become all ­ father,

mother,

son, neighbour, man and beast, good and bad, purity and

impurity. "

 

Best wishes,

Ashish

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Om Namah Sivaya

 

Dear Sajith,

 

'i believe that every man is made up of body, mind and

soul.and not singulerly the soul .our sages say man is

soul. then i admit iam wrong for i do have a great

respect for them.but those of u who can answer me tell

me how am i wrong'

 

The body and mind are Karmic Fruits (product of Karma)

and temporary whereas the soul is eternal.

Atman (Soul) is entirely different from the body and

the mind. The mind and the body are your servants or

instruments. They are as much outside of you as these

towels, chairs, cups are. You are holding the body

just as you are holding a long walking stick in your

hand. You are the possessor or proprietor of this

body. The body is your property or possession. The

body, the senses, the mind, etc., are not the soul,

but belong to it. The only way to proof is to attain

Jnana (True Knowledge) which comes after realising the

Atman (Soul) by the grace of God.

 

A Few hundred years ago there lived a very famous

Yogi-Jnani (a self-realized saint) by name Sadasiva

Brahmendra Sarasvati in South India. On one occasion

he entered the tent of a Mohammedan chief naked. The

chief was quite enraged at the sage. He cut off one of

the arms. Sadasiva Brahmendra walked off as if nothing

has happened.The sage was quite unconscious of the

world. He did not feel a bit when his arm was cut off.

 

He was detached from the body and mind. He ought to

have been absorbed in the Divine Consciousness, he

ought to have been one with the Divine.

 

Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah

 

 

 

 

 

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Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:28 AM

Re: [sri Ramakrishna] what is man

 

 

 

>

> The body and mind are Karmic Fruits (product of Karma)

> and temporary whereas the soul is eternal.

> Atman (Soul) is entirely different from the body and

> the mind. The mind and the body are your servants or

> instruments. They are as much outside of you as these

> towels, chairs, cups are. You are holding the body

> just as you are holding a long walking stick in your

> hand. You are the possessor or proprietor of this

> body. The body is your property or possession. The

> body, the senses, the mind, etc., are not the soul,

> but belong to it. The only way to proof is to attain

> Jnana (True Knowledge) which comes after realising the

> Atman (Soul) by the grace of God.

 

I have doubt further to this.

Q:How is karma defined ?

A:Karma is defined by a action (good or bad).

Q:who is responsible for karma is it body or soul ?

A:Soul is part of god which is just a spectator in the action

then why should soul be made to under go cycles of birth & death, when it is

not responsible for Karma

 

-with love

Shivananda.