Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Hi Sunil, Re: Brahman deluded by Maya. The following text is in no way trying to answer the question but just my thought. Having talked to many monks from the Vishistadviata school this use this an argument against Adviata philosophy. Namely, they ask where did Maya come from, Adviata can't explain this. Many years ago, I had some funny ideas about this fact as to why maya is deluding Brahman. One being that Brahman decided to play a game with himself (like treasure hunting, with maya being the maze to go through looking for clues to find out who you aref) lasting eons... and that once we findout who we are the game is finished. On a serious note, I feel that looking at many other beliefs, I find that despite the very stong and fundamantal question you raised, which I can't answer like the monks you asked. Adviata still has the least inconsistencies and the most rational than other schools of thought. I guess that self realisation is still the best way to answer to this question. or perhaps the question of maya becomes irrelevant. Once moksha is achieved. Also, I think that if we could answer your question definitely then we will most probably have proved God rationally, no need to self realise. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Dear Sunil You have asked very good questions...this one is no less potent. Let me share it with our Ramakrishna List and see what response it generates. I will withhold your email address. regards dilip (jay) Vivekananda Centre - Sunil vivekananda Monday, April 11, 2005 6:59 PM from Bristol Hello Sir My questioning stops at thie one, doesn't move any further I hope you can help Why is the Brahman deluded by Maya? Many saints have said , it cudn't be answered..why is it so? Regards Sunil The new, more precise and more powerful MSN Search is here! Take a tour today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Here's one answer to that question: If you ask, 'But how did this illusion come about originally? If there is only one reality, how could there be an illusion of manifoldness?' then they answer, 'In ignorance there is no consistency'. How do we mistake one thing for another ? Do we do it rationally ? If it were rational, then we would not have made any mistake. That we have made a mistake means that it is an irrational, an inexplicable something. If you then say, as some have, 'The illusion always exists as opposed to pure divinity,' then you are forced to accept the position of a dualist, although of a different kind, it is true. The answer is simply this – when you find the truth, ignorance vanishes. Then you do not say ignorance is one reality and truth is another reality; you never think that. Ignorance is ignorance, and you never put it under the same category as truth or the real. - Swami Ashokananda On Apr 11, 2005 12:31 PM, Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote: > > Why is the Brahman deluded by Maya? > > Many saints have said , it cudn't be answered..why is it so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Namaste, Because Brahmin wishes to know itself thus creating apparent duality. I forget myself at everything I see, as do you. Love, Bob Rose Hello Sir My questioning stops at thie one, doesn't move any further I hope you can help Why is the Brahman deluded by Maya? Many saints have said , it cudn't be answered..why is it so? Regards Sunil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Hope the below information throw more light to your question. Regards, Uday. - Taken from 'The Paper on Hinduism': Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda Vol-I. Why should the free, perfect, and pure be thus under the thraldom of matter, is the next question. How can the perfect soul be deluded into the belief that it is imperfect? We have been told that the Hindus shirk the question and say that no such question can be there- Some thinkers want to answer it by positing one or more quasi-perfect beings, and use big scientific names to fill up the gap. But naming is not explaining. The question remains the same. How can the perfect become the quasi-perfect; how can the pure, the absolute change even a microscopic particle of its nature? But the Hindu is sincere. He does not want to take shelter under sophistry. He is brave enough to face the question in a manly fashion; and his answer is: 'I do not know.' I do not know how the perfect being, the soul, came to think of itself as imperfect, as Joined to and conditioned by matter.' But the fact is a fact for all that. It is a fact in everybody's consciousness that one thinks of oneself as the body. The Hindu does not attempt to explain why one thinks one is the body. The answer that it is the will of God is no explanation. This is nothing more than what the Hindu says, 'I do not know.' ................................... ---------------------- Q: You have mentioned that the True goal of a man's life is to discover one's true nature in him. If Man's true nature is divine, how did he become ignorant in the first place? How did we get ignorant of our true nature? Being truly a divine and perfect soul, should we not have remained that way? A: Congratulations! You have asked one of the prime questions in spiritual philosophy for which there is no clear-cut answer. The non-dual Vedanta philosophy, d to by Swami Vivekananda, gives the clearest answers as far as it is possible to do in human language. There have always been among us a few human beings who have actually realized the Truth, in the process of which they have transcended all phenomena and re-dentified with the Eternal Reality, Buddha, Jesus, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda. Their answers are our scriptures. There we find our answers. In answer to your last question, " Being truly a divine and perfect soul, should we not have remained that way? " We are ever that Perfect Being whether we are aware of it or not. This veil of ignorance limits our awareness of ourselves and the world. Spiritual practices remove this ignorance. This is possible because ignorance is ultimately unreal, being but the play of an inscrutable divine energy. Why this is so cannot be answered. Our goal is to find the Reality of our true nature, not get lost in endless questioning. There is a lecture by Swami Vivekananda in Vol. II of The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, entitled, " The Real and the Apparent Man " which should be most helpful to you. I hope this helps answer your question and spurs you onwards in your spiritual search. - Taken from http://www.vivekananda.org/faqs.asp - Sunil vivekananda Monday, April 11, 2005 6:59 PM from Bristol Hello Sir My questioning stops at thie one, doesn't move any further I hope you can help Why is the Brahman deluded by Maya? Many saints have said , it cudn't be answered..why is it so? Regards Sunil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Namaste, Because where there is no question there is no answer. Love, Bob Rose Hello Sir My questioning stops at thie one, doesn't move any further I hope you can help Why is the Brahman deluded by Maya? Many saints have said , it cudn't be answered..why is it so? Regards Sunil Sri Ramakrishnaya Namah Vivekananda Centre London http://www.vivekananda.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Hi, This is Satwik from Bangalore, India, a new member of this group. Sunil’s question is quite pertinent it could be that Brahma gets deluded by Maya for sake of Devotees. This reminds me reading Thakur’s words in The Gospel. The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna records Thakur’s words like: “God has covered all with His maya. He doesn’t let us know anything. He who puts maya aside to see God, can see him. Once when I was explaining God’s actions to someone, God suddenly showed me the lake at Kamarpukur. I saw a man removing the green scum and drinking the water. The water was clear as crystal. God revealed to me that Satchidananda is covered by the scum of maya. He who puts the green scum aside can drink the water.” Brahama has thus deluded by maya of His own volition, to make the devotees understand the significance of “vidya” and “avidya” and by removing the delusion of maya, realize the ultimate truth - the Satchidananda, the Brahma. Satwik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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