Fwd: WHICH IS BETTER

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dear all,

 

from now on, i propose to initiate dialogue on certain

apparently conflicting situations, issues or

interpretations or views. they may be even worldly

matters, but where a spiritual connotation is

involved. the idea is not to argue for the sake of

arguing, but to mature and enlighten to abetter

position of uderstanding and evolution. also an

objective and unprejudiced appraoch is preferred.

 

with this background, i wish to touch upon a topic to

start with.

 

 

assume i am not deep trouble and am going thru very

tough tmmes either financially or otherwise. i have 2

friends/relatives who could do something for me in

this hour of despair and tough times. call them X and

Y.

 

X is sincerely praying for me at various temples,

forums, etc. he also performs some poojas, etc. for me

to get out of trouble.

 

Y is not a person who bothers much about praying,

rituals, etc. but is a samaritan and helps me in

various ways at this juncture. he does not talk much

with me nor contacts me with the usual 'how r u , what

r u doing for all persons. however, he silently shows

his good nature through actual deeds.

 

now my questions:

 

1. who is better person ? whose deed is nobler ?

 

2. in God's scheme of things, who will receive greaer

credit ? i mean, in terms of 'papa, punya, etc. for

himself (X or Y)

 

3. I, the man in despair, shoudl regard whose effort

greater or of more value ?

 

with respect to the audience, it is not advisable to

have responss like 'both are great in their own right'

, 'each has a role to play' etc... I would prefer a

unequivocal choice and back up for the same.

 

i would appreciate thoughtful responses.

 

jay trinity.

 

chellamani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> This is misconception. God helps those who help

> themselves. God’s grace will descend only on those

> persons who exert, otherwise you are limited by your

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[Guest guest]

Hi

 

I am not as experienced to discuss, but my opinion is as follows:

 

The person (better or not) is not what is important!

 

The important point is the intention, selflessness and sincerity with which

someone does something for me.

 

I am from India, student in UK, Tsunami occurs in Asia......... the scenes,

photos, narrations on the tele make tears role down the cheek. There is

restlessness, but exams, courseworks are to be submitted.......I sincerely want

to do something...I send money and say in my heart of hearts, I am weak in my

situation, I pray with utmost sincerity .....give the people strength who are

there, spending days and nights in service.

 

I could have given a damn for my situation and could have taken the next flight

to India, coursework can wait for next term........ but my position , my

situation demands what best could be done from where i am, so I pool in more

money from many quarters and send it.

 

Certainly , the person in " live " action is doing the " better job " due to his

position and situation and abilities.......does that mean he is better than me

or does that mean my intentions are any less sincere? Every one has a job to be

done, it will be done by him and him only.

 

Every person has his weakness and strengths....and weak moments and stronger

moments. " I want to help you, but my weakness or my situation stops me from

being able to do something which might be of practical use. My friend is in a

stronger position, he is capable, he does it for you " .

 

The truth to be understood is ..It is almighty everywhere , in everything.

 

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[Guest guest]

He is the best of all. Om tat sat. You need "Akhanda Darsanam"! Once you do that you will not differentiate, there is none other that He, and no "Veda Bhava". In this life you can appreciate one against the other but the fact remains that, relative importance is "Adhyasa" or "Upadhi" and our stupid mind is creating all those gross divisions. Stay free, stay happy, see things and see them not, because you are "Saksivuto Sanatana". Narayan, Narayan. Prasna ends with "Adaita Bhava". Haribol,Haribol. Om tat sat. Good narayan or not so good narayan, but all narayan. May I dedicate everything to Him , NARAYANA Smaranam iti.

 

Asis Bagchi

[Guest guest]

I would agree with everyone who has said that both people are good but since you

asked specifically which is better, I would say that how difficult it is for X

and Y to do their actions should be considered.

So if it X went out of his way to do all the prayers and poojas even though his

circumstances made it difficult for him.

The same goes for Y and his circumstances.

To put it another way I am saying that it is the effort and sincerity of the

person not the actual actions themselves that are important. For example, if X

prayed because it was easier for him than doing actual physical deeds then that

is not as useful but if he did it because it was heartfelt and he put all his

energy into doing it then the same action becomes more valuable.

Regarding how each person's actions would be judged I think this goes further to

other situations too. An example by CS Lewis is that if a person had very little

difficulties/temptations in their life yet said a harsh word to someone then

that may be a worse thing than if someone had a lot of hardships and they

murdered someone but they had very little choice (they did however have a

choice). Here it is suggested that it is not necessarily the effect on a person

(being offended or losing a loved one) but the situation in which the choice was

made that is important.

What do other people think of this sort of reasoning?

Bijal

 

gayatri chellamani <gayat52 wrote:

 

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