is the mind limited?

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dear fellow members,

 

hari om,

 

in the lecture titled 'maya and illusion' delivered by

swamiji in london, he remarks at a certain point that

the mind is limited.

 

here is the context:

 

no amount of knowledge of the external world could

solve the problem. " but " , says the scientist, " we are

just beginning to know a little;wait a few thousand

years and we shall get the solution. "

" No " , says the vedantist, for he has proved beyond all

doubt that the mind is limited, that it cannot go

beyond certain limits-beyond time ,space and

causation. "

 

what i would like to know is an illustration of the

limitation of the mind, for the mind, body and soul

are nothing but the same substance which when becomes

more and more grosser the mind and the body.

if the soul is pure and perfect why the mind cannot be

perfect??

 

i ask other fellow members to quell my doubt or if my

understanding is flawed to clarify it.

 

Varun Ramasubramanian

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> <snip> >

> i ask other fellow members to quell my doubt or if my

> understanding is flawed to clarify it.

>

> Varun Ramasubramanian

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Hari Om

 

Namaste Varun Ji,

 

Here is a quote from the Complete Works:

 

" ...Bodilessness must be the ideal. The ideal cannot be finite.

Anything short of the Infinite cannot be the ideal, and there cannot

be an infinite body. That would be impossible, as body comes from

limitation. There cannot be infinite thought, because thought comes

from limitation. We have to go beyond the body, and beyond thought

too, says the Advaita. And we have also seen that, according to

Advaita, this freedom is not to be attained, it is already ours. We

only forget it and deny it. Perfection is not to be attained, it is

already within us. Immortality and bliss are not to be acquired, we

possess them already; they have been ours all the time. "

 

Vivekananda

 

Exceprted

http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_2/practical_vedanta_an\

d_other_lectures/practical_vedanta_part_iv.htm

[Guest guest]

OM Namah Sivaya

 

Atman (Soul), the self-luminous, is distinct from the

Gross and Subtle{constituents eight ; Five senses,

Buddhi(Intellect), Mana(Mind) and Ahankara (Egoity)}

bodies, just as fire which enters the fuel assumes the

attributes of the fuel, so also does the distinct

Atman assume the qualities of the body.

 

The real experiencer of anything, in an

individualistic way, is neither the Self (Soul) nor

the physical body. It is the mind that is the centre

of individuality, that individualizes and imprisons a

ray of the Atman in what is called the individual

soul.

 

The mind is a special, limited particularization of

the Soul-consciousness, which is unlimited and never

ceases to be all-pervading (God-Consciousness/

ParaSakti/ Supreme Consciousness/ Pure Consciousness/

SATCHITANANDA). The mind is the form of the collective

totality of desires, and hence, it is inert and

powerless. But it appears to be conscious and powerful

as the Inner Self (Soul) is reflected through it, in

the form of a reflection, very much limited by its own

constitution. Hence it will be clear that the

individuality of a person is as much real or unreal as

a reflection of a real object.

 

This mind, as embodied in the subtle body, that

undergoes the pleasure of heaven or the pains of hell,

or for that matter, any experience through a gross or

a subtle body. Karma of the individual determines the

form or shape of the experience. The Soul is the

Absolute which is not really affected by any

experience of the mind. The mind is mortal, while the

Soul is immortal.

 

Sri Ramakrishna’s saying: ‘The mind is like milk. If

you keep the mind in the world, which is like water,

then the milk and water will get mixed. That is why

people keep milk in a quiet place and let it set into

curd, and then churn butter from it. Likewise, through

spiritual discipline practised in solitude, churn the

butter of KNOWLEDGE and DEVOTION from the milk of the

mind. Then the butter can easily be kept in the water

of the world. It will not get mixed with the world.

The mind will float detached on the water of the

world.’

 

 

 

 

 

 

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