Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Dear Sri Varun, Namaskar. Definitely the mind is limited. The mind, in essence is a part of the body, only more subtle. After death the mind too dissolves after existing for a brief period of time. You may remember the example of the four dacoits that Thakur used to often cite. The fourth dacoit who freed the man and showed him the way could not accompany the man out of the forest. This dacoit is the sattwic mind. While studying advaita under Totapuri Sri Ramakrishna had to go beyond the reach of the mind by cutting the image of Mother Kali that appeared in his mind's eye. Only then could he soar into the heights of non dualistic reality. Sri Ramakrishna said that Brahma has never been soiled as it has never been described. Brahma, or the ultimate truth, is beyond the mind. Love & regards, Jagannath. Discover Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Dear Chetanji, Namaskar. I'm sorry for my delayed reply. I had drafted the mail but I seem to have lost it subsequently as I was unable to find it. There is a distinction between the human mind and the atmic mind which is also called the " drashta " . Let me make it clear with an example. Suppose you are dreaming. Here your dream body/mind complex is witnessing a dream event. After the dream breaks both the dream event and the dream body/mind complex are destroyed. But you still remember the dream don't you? This is because what was witnessing the dream event was the conscious witness observer or the atmic mind. In the Upanishad we see exhortions to identify ourselves with the witness atman to move away from the illusory world and see the reality beyond. When we are able to totally identify ourselves with the witness soul, our mind becomes the pure mind Sri Ramakrishna refers to. The mind is born from food just as the body. Try fasting for a few days and you will see your mind too becoming weak just like the body. Regarding the memory of past incarnations, the rebirth is often very quick before the physical mind totally dissolves. Some fragments of it are still around so that the person is able to recollect past life events very clearly. However the atmic mind stores all events of all lives and so we see persons often being taken to past lives under regressional psychology. Swami Lokeswaranandaji had done considerable research on this subject. You can request the Ramakrishna Mission Institute of Culture at Golpark, Kolkata to help you access his research on the subject. Love & Regards, Jagannath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 jagchat01 <jagchat01 wrote: "The mind is born from food just as the body. Try fasting for a few days and you will see your mind too becoming weak just like the body." _____________ Respected Sir, >does it mean that the enlighted thoughts recieved during certain period of fasting* are in fact, reflections or flashes of that "ultimate witness" -the "atmic mind"? >and could we then accept,that the weaker the mind becomes, the more of that "conscious witness observer" reveals? *we know that Buddha,Jesus and other sages took only water sometimes thank You-mihaela Discover Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing more. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Hi Mihaela, I'm sorry I had totally missed your post. The question you have raised is very pertinent. It was Buddha who gave the answer. He advocated the middle way, not too much austerity and not too much indulgence. The physical mind too is very important. Unless it functions very well, the link between understanding/intelligence and the soul is cut. This is why both Thakur and Holy Mother warned disciples against too much japa without adequate preparation. If the mind is lost, they said, everything is lost. At the time of realisation, as I have read, the mind automatically ceases to be and the clear light shines through. Yes, the flashes are the messages from the atmic mind. I think spiritual personalities fast occasionally to subtue negative vibrations of the mind. But this fasting should be very temparate for those who have not reached a high stage. It is not that only intense spiritual practices leads to God realisation. If you can forge a personal relationship with God and can love him/her with all your heart, that alone would suffice. Never weaken your mind in any manner. It's the best friend you have got. Love & Regards, Jagannath. Ramakrishna , mihaela danailova <mihaela_nha> wrote: _____________ > > Respected Sir, > > >does it mean that the enlighted thoughts recieved during certain period of fasting* are in fact, reflections or flashes of that " ultimate witness " -the " atmic mind " ? > > >and could we then accept,that the weaker the mind becomes, the more of that " conscious witness observer " reveals? > > *we know that Buddha,Jesus and other sages took only water sometimes > > thank You-mihaela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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