Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear All, I am very much devoted and always chanting and praying Lord Vishnu.Still materially I suffer a lot.I face humiliation in office,face some health problems and always in a great fear and depression. I know it is my Prarabhda karma that is giving fruits now but what is the value for my prayer? Is prayer inferior to Karma or what? I am really frustated and I think we are fooling ourselves by believing that God will reduce our karmic reactions. I dont want any great wealth or a sportsman body.But I really thrive for mental peace which I am not getting nowadays.Daily I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 hmmm, hello. I am new to this group and very new to Sri Ramakrishna. From my experience and understanding, my belief is that I am on a learning path. Lessons seem to come in sections of what we perceive as time, so longer some shorter. When I meditate, the questions regarding my worldly trials are given, the the answers or direction is given right after. They may not have anything to do with what I perceive as my current troubles, but rather they are what I need to continue to progress to realizing god. This is one purpose for meditation, to turn inward and heal myself and be self loving so that I will be better able to love the world outside of me. The other is to connect to god and keep that connection all day every day, so that I may see clearly how god is acting in my life. No one on this path has ever told me that god will solve my worldly issues through prayer, or even change them in anyway. What changes is ME. What changes is my future for having listened to god and gone the directions I was told whether it seemed logical or not. From my perspective, what you are saying, you are thinking with mind only. Don't think, go to god. Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Namaste, Are you near Holy Company? They can help you immeasurably. Mind is what it perceives, in Holy Company it will calm and clear and you will gain the ability to concentrate and get happiness thru their presence and advice. It may not happen quickly as you would like, but the problem was not created quickly. If you are wise you will find that wanting happiness from things which do not last causes pain and craving, it is a terrible state. Go to the Doctor who has the cure, find those realized beings who have peace, and follow their directions. All my love and prayers for you, Bob Rose Dear All, I am very much devoted and always chanting and praying Lord Vishnu.Still materially I suffer a lot.I face humiliation in office,face some health problems and always in a great fear and depression. I know it is my Prarabhda karma that is giving fruits now but what is the value for my prayer? Is prayer inferior to Karma or what? I am really frustated and I think we are fooling ourselves by believing that God will reduce our karmic reactions. I dont want any great wealth or a sportsman body.But I really thrive for mental peace which I am not getting nowadays.Daily I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Dear Mr. Moorthy, Many in this group may not agree with me what I am going to say below. I feel when we live in this world, we are acting in a pre-script play. Everybody's life is already written, even before he or she is born. There are cannot be any changes in that howsoever devout you are to the God. Take for example, the case of Sudama, the childhoold friend of Lord Krishna. Lord knew that his friend Sudama was in great difficulty. Yet, at no instance, he came to the rescue of Sudama, as Krishna was aware of the fact that whatever is written for Sudama, he has to undergo that and when his time comes, everything will be alright. When his time came, his wife advised Sudama to meet Lord Krishna which he did and the rest of the story we all know. Krishna new very well that time of his intervention was when Sudama meets him personally. We have to jsut move on and on... The life will take its own course. Now there will be another question as to why then we should worship the God, if they are powerless and cannot change the destiny of a person even if he or she pray with all their hearts out. The simple answe is while praying to the God, you should not think of any reward in your mind. You should love God simply because you want to love him and not because you want to have something from Him. It is quite possible that in the scheme of things for you, or in other words the script that is already written for you, there may be chapter or an episore wherein you start worshipping Lord without any thought of reward and becasue of that your life will change for the better. Whatever action you take now is not because that I have written this letter, or someone else in this group has adivsed you something else, but beause that your life's script is written like that. I don't know I mhave expressed myself in very clear language. It is also qutie possible that many in the Group may not agree with me in what I am saying. Personally, I am also in dire straits. Rather I have always been in some trouble or the other and the life has always been difficult for me. But I have no complaints. I am in Delhi, and I go to Lord Guruvayoorappan temple here on every Sunday without fail. (Lord Krishna's temple). But nothing has changed in my life so far, rather problems are mounting up as the days pass. But I know when my time comes, the Lord will intervene, or oin other words, when the time comes for Lord, he will intervene in my matter. Till such time, I have to go like this. Thanks and regards, Babu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Ramakrishna , Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > Dear Mr. Moorthy, > > Many in this group may not agree with me what I am going to say below. > > I feel when we live in this world, we are acting in a pre-script play. Everybody's life is already written, even before he or she is born. Namaste, This is a good dialogue on which to ponder deeply: The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will Solved. http://vepa.us/dir10/freewill.htm Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Excellent ideas, I agree with you wholeheartedly.Angel Norris <deziner wrote: hmmm, hello. I am new to this group and very new to Sri Ramakrishna.From my experience and understanding, my belief is that I am on a learningpath. Lessons seem to come in sections of what we perceive as time, so longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Om Namah Sivaya Prarabdha can be overcome by the grace of the Lord. The Lord’s grace descends when there is sincere devotion and self-surrender. The Lord’s grace will descend in proportion to the degree of surrender. Self-surrender intensifies when your ego softens, due to your ego you feel humiliation, great fear and depression. The ego softens when you do selfless service to the Lord, His devotees and other living beings. You should regard yourself only as an instrument in the hand of God as Sri Ramakrishna said;‘O God, Thou art the Doer and I am Thy instrument.’ The laws of nature do not operate when there is the grace of the Lord. His grace is all-powerful. We have the instance of Markandeya who conquered death (attained immortality) by his sincere devotion the Lord. He was destined to die young, but when the Lord’s grace descended, Lord Yama had no power to carry out his wish. So it is possible to overcome Prarabdha by devotion. Money and power cannot give us real happiness as you said. It is only faith in God and the consequent God-realization through meditation that can give us real, eternal happiness and free us from all kinds of fear and worries which torment us at every moment. Faith in God will force us to think of Him constantly and to meditate on Him and will eventually lead us on to God-realization. A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the Lord’s grace. He voluntarily welcomes these sufferings. _________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Photos http://uk.photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Dear Selvaratnam, Thank you for the wonderful and well thought out post. Regards, Jagannath. Ramakrishna , Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk> wrote: > Om Namah Sivaya A sincere devotee will suffer a lot, because he is hurrying up in the spiritual march. Many of his evil Karmas have to be worked out and purged out quickly to hasten his salvation in this very birth. But, God gives him extraordinary power of endurance through His grace. But he rejoices even in sufferings and destitution on account of the descent of the Lord's grace. He voluntarily welcomes these sufferings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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