Guest guest Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Lokesh, IN answer to your question: " Some say to know heat , you need to know cold , so god created evil and bondage to know good and freedom - i am not satisfied . why he has to do that in the first place ? " here are some answers that might help or point the way for you. Sincerely, Girish Om Namah Sivaya " This is an Ati-prasna or transcendental question. Youwill find this question coming up to your mind invarious forms: When did Karma begin? When and why wasthe world created? Why is there evil in the world? Whydid the Unmanifest manifest itself? And so on. Thesame question is asked by Rama in Yoga Vasishtha andVasishtha says: " You are putting the cart before thehorse. You will not be benefited by an enquiry intothis question at all. Meditate and realize Brahman.You Will then know the answer to this question. Theproblem itself will have dissolved by then " . No onecan answer this question. When Knowledge dawns, thequestion itself vanishes. Therefore there is no answerto the question at all.The Brahma Sutra says: Lokavat Tu Lila Kaivalyam. Itis only to pacify your doubt. It is really not ananswer; for, there can be no answer. Yet, the questionwill arise in the case of every seeker after Truth.You cannot help it. You will have to use yourdiscrimination, pacify the doubt, and then throughintense Sadhana and meditation, realize God. Then thedoubt will vanish. A great Yogi was worried with thisdoubt for twelve years. Then he told me: " The worry isover now. It troubled me for twelve years. I could notfind an answer. So I have given up that pursuit andhave taken to meditation, Japa and Kirtan. Now I findpeace and progress " . Faith in the Guru, in the GrantSahib, Kirtan, Japa, meditation and practice ofrighteousness— these will enable you to progress inthe spiritual path and will take you to That wherethere is no questioning possible. " - Sri Swami Sivananda --- If you ask, 'But how did this illusion come about originally? If thereis only one reality, how could there be an illusion of manifoldness?'then they answer, 'In ignorance there is no consistency'. How do wemistake one thing for another ? Do we do it rationally ? If it wererational, then we would not have made any mistake. That we have made amistake means that it is an irrational, an inexplicable something. Ifyou then say, as some have, 'The illusion always exists as opposed topure divinity,' then you are forced to accept the position of adualist, although of a different kind, it is true. The answer issimply this – when you find the truth, ignorance vanishes. Then you donot say ignorance is one reality and truth is another reality; younever think that. Ignorance is ignorance, and you never put it underthe same category as truth or the real. - Swami Ashokananda ---------Why should the free, perfect, and pure be thus underthe thraldom of matter, is the next question.How can the perfect soul be deluded into the beliefthat it is imperfect? We have been told that theHindus shirk the question and say that no suchquestion can be there- Some thinkers want toanswer it by positing one or more quasi-perfectbeings, and use big scientific names to fill up thegap. But naming is not explaining.The question remains the same. How can the perfectbecome the quasi-perfect; how can the pure, theabsolute change even a microscopic particle of itsnature? But the Hindu is sincere. He does not want totake shelter under sophistry. He is brave enoughto face the question in a manly fashion; and hisanswer is: 'I do not know.' I do not know how theperfect being, the soul, came to think of itself asimperfect, as Joined to and conditioned bymatter.' But the fact is a fact for all that.It is a fact in everybody's consciousness that onethinks of oneself as the body. The Hindu does notattempt to explain why one thinks one is thebody. The answer that it is the will of God is noexplanation. This is nothing more than what the Hindusays, 'I do not know.'.................................. Taken from 'The Paper on Hinduism': Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda Vol-I.----------------------Q: You have mentioned that the True goal of a man'slife is to discover one's true nature in him. If Man'strue nature is divine, how did he become ignorant inthe first place? How did we get ignorant of our truenature? Being truly a divine and perfect soul, shouldwe not have remained that way?A: Congratulations! You have asked one of the primequestions in spiritual philosophy for which there isno clear-cut answer. The non-dual Vedanta philosophy, d to by Swami Vivekananda, gives the clearestanswers as far as it is possible to do in humanlanguage. There have always been among us a few humanbeings who have actually realized the Truth, in theprocess of which they have transcended all phenomenaand re-dentified with the Eternal Reality, Buddha,Jesus, Ramakrishna, Vivekananda. Their answers are ourscriptures. There we find our answers. In answer toyour last question, " Being truly a divine and perfectsoul, should we not have remained that way? " We areever that Perfect Being whether we are aware of it ornot. This veil of ignorance limits our awareness ofourselves and the world. Spiritual practices removethis ignorance. This is possible because ignorance isultimately unreal, being but the play of aninscrutable divine energy. Why this is so cannot beanswered. Our goal is to find the Reality of our truenature, not get lost in endless questioning. There isa lecture by Swami Vivekananda in Vol. II of TheComplete Works of Swami Vivekananda, entitled, " TheReal and the Apparent Man " which should be mosthelpful to you. I hope this helps answer your questionand spurs you onwards in your spiritual search.- Taken from http://www.vivekananda.org /faqs.asp On 8/2/05, lokesh h <lokspavi wrote: One of my unsolved question is why god created life and gave freedom to become evil and then introduce a concept of getting salvation. Some say god played games(leela) - i am not satisfied Some say to know heat , you need to know cold , so god created evil and bondage to know good and freedom - i am not satisfied . why he has to do that in the first place Thanks Lokesh H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Namaste, God wanted to experience bliss, in looking out the world was created, you are that God. You have forgotten in remembering other things, you are angry about not finding bliss, you are looking in the wrong place. Love, Bob Rose One of my unsolved question is why god created life and gave freedom to become evil and then introduce a concept of getting salvation. Some say god played games(leela) - i am not satisfied Some say to know heat , you need to know cold , so god created evil and bondage to know good and freedom - i am not satisfied . why he has to do that in the first place Thanks Lokesh H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Thanks So , the conclusion is "once we remove ignorance , then we find that we are perfect" But , why ignornace? is a question we should not bother too much as our sages have told. Girish <girishsv wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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