Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 namaste it is said that sriramakrishna perfected all existing paths of spirituality - including tantra. the path of tantra includes sexual intercourse as a step of realization. but latter he shuns sex. so does he say that when it is used to get enlightenment it is ok to indulge? i would also like u r comments on osho as a spiritual master. thank u sajith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 " geethu " <sajithachuthank [sri Ramakrishna] adoubt on tantra > namaste > it is said that sriramakrishna perfected all existing > paths of spirituality - including tantra. > the path of tantra includes sexual intercourse as a > step of realization. > but latter he shuns sex. > so does he say that when it is used to get enlightenment > it is ok to indulge? > i would also like u r comments on osho as a spiritual master. > thank u > sajith ==============Response=============== Please read the life of Sri Ramakrishna. He never indulged in sex. So this question is in poor taste. Please read his life story carefully, you will be amazed at his achievements in the spiritual realm and all this was achieved thorough absolute purity. Osho's methods are in stark contrast to the methods suggested by Sri Ramakrishna who emphasised the importance of celibacy for spiritual progress. jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Namaste Sajiith, Tantric practice consists of methods of stilling the mind and entering Samadhi in union with our own self, Advaita, the formless. Sex as a method of concentration and raising Kundalini is mentioned briefly in only one section of all the vast Tantric scriptures, it is highly ritualized and carried out under the auspices of a real master. For the vast, vast majority of Tantricas it is ignored. Once practiced celibacy is embraced, and sex is never indulged in outside of the practice. Sri Ramakrishna never used this practice, it is very dangerous and it is a gross misconception that this is what Tanric practice mainly consists of, or that it is a necessary step to realization through Tantric practice. It is not at all necessary, or advisable, for most. It is very understandable why it would attract the mind of the many and they would fixate on it. Love, Bob Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear Sajith, Sri Ramakrishna was practical to the core. He did not shun sex in the ordinary sense that we condemn it. He was too practical to imagine that people will transcend a deep-rooted instinct instantaneously. Though He never compromised with the requirement of absolute chastity as a pre-condition of spiritual enlightenment, He equally understood the difficulties of a spiritual aspirant struggling with his primordial urge. In that light, I don't think your question is in poor taste. I differ and view it as a very practical question. You could read 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna' to find out how sympathetically and practically He handles this issue with "M", the recorder of the Gospel. Sri Ramakrishna was far from the remoteness of a puritan. He was full of concern for a sincere aspirant. My personal reading of Sri Ramakrishna's take on this issue is Thakur would advise controlled sexual gratification only to come out of the appeal of sex and realise oneself as the sexless Spirit. Osho, on the other hand, wanted to experiment with an approach that was not replicable on a mass scale. Hence, the approach succumbed to indulgent sex binge. This approach also finds mention in "The Gospel" as Veer Bhava. Warm regards, Debajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 hi there are two approaches in tatra philosophy one is vama marga which includes pacha makaras means 5 m's viz matsya (fish) madya (spirit) maithuna (sex) mamsa(meat) another i am not remembering... this is called very dangerous path, without the proper guidance, a man will defenitely go last in these delusion..so it is rarely adviced and followed coming to the point of ramakrishnas practise of tantra.. he was under utter surveillance of bhairavi brahmani (his first guru) ...there she asks him to touch meat from his tongue, for the he refuses, she does and asks him to do..so he determines and touches from his tongue..coming to the point of sex, bhairavi just shows him a couple involving in sex, no where she asks him to take action in sex...this is very clear... after all these very very difficult sadhanas, ramakrishna acquired ashta siddhis, once he asks mother kaali the use of siddhis he got from these sadhanas, mother kaali says these have no importance in spirituality and asks him to keep out as yoga mala (waste of product of yoga). there is another version, called dakshina marga or shudda marga, which includes srichakra pooja and mantra and meditation path..which is universally followed and accepted.... for some more information on tantra, plz also read Living with the himalayan masters..by swamy rama How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Photos. Get Photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 hello when sri ramakrishna was practicing his tantra sadhna with bhairavi, there was a girl standing beside him, he touched the feet of that girl, this shows that he was a great saint....he considered every women as his mother.....so nothing called sex was there in his life bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Dear Sajith, In Sri Swami Saradanandaji's " Sri Sri Ramakrishna Leela Prasanga " , he mentions 3 types of tantric practices - the demoniac, the heroic and the divine. The demoniac path is for those who have little self control - for them tantra prescribes absolute abstinence from contact with women (opposite sex). The Heroic or Veera is for those who have good self control. To them, tantra prescribes overcoming sexual urge through controlled sexual enjoyment. The divine, the highest of the three, is for the highly advanced aspirant, who has little body consciousness, hence the aspirant has advanced far beyond any form of sexual act. He meditates on Divine Mother according to the prescribed tantra rituals and realizes union of Siva and Sakti. Hence, you find that the so-called much publicised sex in Tantra, comes only in the " middle-path " so to say, namely the heroic. It is totally absent in the highest and lowest paths - the divine as well as the demoniac. Sri Ramakrishna followed the Divine method. It is said that even Bhairavi Brahmani, his Tantric Guru, was not advanced enough to follow the Divine method, and she was amazed when Sri Ramakrishna perfected this Tantric method. Just as with Tota Puri, Sri Ramakrishna became the Guru of his Guru Bhairavi Brahmani as well. I have noted this down from my memory of Saradanandaji's masterpiece. Please bear with any lapses. With prayers, Nikhil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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