Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 hi to all fellow members, i was just reading vol5 of the complete works and i came across this passage in the chapter"on jnana yoga" in section"notes from lectures and discourses" the passage reads as follows"i do not believe in eternal progress, that we are growing on ever a and ever in a straight line. it is too nonsecical to believe. there is no motion in a straight line. a straight line infinitely projected becomes a circle. the force that sent out will complete the circle and return to its starting place" the point that i did not understand is how an infinitely projected straight line can become a circle?? a line can become a circle only when the starting point becomes the ending point. a circle means a confined area,something which has boundaries. can anyone plz clarify this point??? Varun Ramasubramanian Sam gacchadvam sam vadadhvam sam vo maanaansi jaanataam, De`vaa bhaagam yathaa poorve` samjaanaanaa upaasate`. (rig. 10.191.2) India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Einstiens relativety theory says - If you travel in any one direction you will curve around and eventually return to your starting point - because the space is curved in a manner that one would return to the starting point. I wonder this mathematical statement of his came much later than Vivekananda spoke about it! Jai ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 - Varun Ramasubramanian uttishthata ; ramakrishna Sunday, December 11, 2005 2:35 PM [sri Ramakrishna] line becomes a circle hi to all fellow members, i was just reading vol5 of the complete works and i came across this passage in the chapter"on jnana yoga" in section"notes from lectures and discourses" the passage reads as follows"i do not believe in eternal progress, that we are growing on ever a and ever in a straight line. it is too nonsecical to believe. there is no motion in a straight line. a straight line infinitely projected becomes a circle. the force that sent out will complete the circle and return to its starting place" the point that i did not understand is how an infinitely projected straight line can become a circle?? a line can become a circle only when the starting point becomes the ending point. a circle means a confined area,something which has boundaries. can anyone plz clarify this point??? ===========reply============ Dear Varun A good question. The answer is in the key words 'infinitely projected' Let me explain: If you had a circle with a finite radius you will see that the circumference is curved and gives the shape of a circle. If you had a circle with infinite radius then the circumferance will become a straight line. Though it sounds absurd this is a powerful argument known and used in Hindu terminology. The Hindus do not believe in infinite time or infinite space stretching out to infinity in either direction as Newton did. The Hindu idea of space/time being cyclical is in line with the findings of the modern cosmology. Space/time is in fact curved was the unique finding of Einstien and is taught as General Relativity. regards jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 hi, your explanation is really very interesting and although it is not one of the topics of the groups(as it goes depeer into space and time than religion), i would like it very much if you could give me a more detailed explanation. thanking you Varun RamasubramanianVivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote: ===========reply============ Dear Varun A good question. The answer is in the key words 'infinitely projected' Let me explain: If you had a circle with a finite radius you will see that the circumference is curved and gives the shape of a circle. If you had a circle with infinite radius then the circumferance will become a straight line. Though it sounds absurd this is a powerful argument known and used in Hindu terminology. The Hindus do not believe in infinite time or infinite space stretching out to infinity in either direction as Newton did. The Hindu idea of space/time being cyclical is in line with the findings of the modern cosmology. Space/time is in fact curved was the unique finding of Einstien and is taught as General Relativity. regards jay Sam gacchadvam sam vadadhvam sam vo maanaansi jaanataam, De`vaa bhaagam yathaa poorve` samjaanaanaa upaasate`. (rig. 10.191.2) India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Ramakrishna , Sriram Popuri <popsriram> wrote: >I wonder this mathematical statement of his came much later than >Vivekananda spoke about it! > Jai ramakrishna. > Yes indeed, it is my wonder too how Swamiji came to this opinion before general relativity papers were pubished in 1915. Does any Hindu texts discuss anything similar? I have heard Einstein based Relativity on Reimannian geometry and Swamiji might have read Reimann. Incidently Swamiji's opinion about non-existence of ether(found in Maxwell's theory) at a time when it was still believed to exist is also very interesting. (this is found in an article of Vol 9 of Complete Works) The " circle " as Jay pointed out, occurs recurringly in Indian philosophy. In Vedanta, we have projection and involution of Brahman - the Jiva which was deluded by Maya as to its identity with Brahman, eventually realizes identity with Brahman - a complete circle. Swamiji also treated his view of theory of evolution of living beings as a circular occurence of involution and evolution. Just 2 days back I read a quote from Sri Girish Chandra Ghosh about Thakur - " Even the writing of dramas I learned from him. Narendra says he learned science from him. Mahendra Master says that he learned the art of teaching from him. " Jai Sri Ramakrishna, the great spiritual scientist !! Regards, Nikhil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Ramakrishna , Varun Ramasubramanian <greatsage7> wrote: > > > > A good question. The answer is in the key words 'infinitely projected' > Let me explain: If you had a circle with a finite radius you will see that the circumference is curved and gives the shape of a circle. If you had a circle with infinite radius then the circumferance will become a straight line. Though it sounds absurd this is a powerful argument known and used in Hindu terminology. Namaste, On the Advaitin list there is currently a thread running on this subject. The full paper is at : http://sunyaprajna.com/Advaita/Advaita_Math.pdf GEOMETRIC REPRESENTATION OF ADVAITIC PRINCIPLES AND ITS RELEVANCE TO MODERN PHYSICS Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 I have found this link wvery useful in exploring the relationship of Advaita and Modern Science. The author, I beliweve was a monk of the Ramakrishna Order for some time. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/9535/Vedanta/vedanta.html Partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Advaita Vedanta and Modern Physics is written by Dobson, the inventor of the Dobsonian telescope used by amateur astronomers the world over. Recently a documentary about him " The Sidewalk Astronomer " was released. I wonder if anyone in the group has seen the movie. I would like to hear their opinions. Somdev Roy --- parthasinha1 <parthasinha1 wrote: > I have found this link wvery useful in exploring the > relationship of > Advaita and Modern Science. The author, I beliweve > was a monk of the > Ramakrishna Order for some time. > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/9535/Vedanta/vedanta.html > > Partha > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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