Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 namaste i want to ask u all this.... must one not enjoy life and all aspects of it? with out being addicted to it? say like the madhyama marga of buddha? suppose if i say .. god has given all these for me and others to enjoy them ....can u say iam wrong? dont u this krishna in gita ment this when he said " yadruchaya labha santhushta " ? i would like a reply from ur hearts! sajith......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Exactly, You must enjoy life but without being attached to it let happiness or misery come! One must be like the water drop on lotus leaf.The drop stays on the lotus leaf but doesnt stick to it and it free to move without leaving a trace. --- sajith <sajithachuthank wrote: > namaste > i want to ask u all this.... must one not enjoy > life and all aspects of it? with out being addicted > to it? > say like the madhyama marga of buddha? > suppose if i say .. god has given all these for me > and others to enjoy > them ....can u say iam wrong? > dont u this krishna in gita ment this when he said > " yadruchaya labha > santhushta " ? > i would like a reply from ur hearts! > sajith......... > > Once upon a time there was 1 GB storage in your inbox. To know the happy ending go to http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 That might be an ideal condition, but not under our 'standards of living'. I would assume that it would be impossible for us to have all enjoyments and not be attached to it.Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha have been defined as those desired by men. So, Kama(Desires) is allowed as long as Dharma is its basis. But again the question, what is enjoyment? might be asked. Certainly there are sense enjoyments and other enjoyments. No doubt that the sense enjoyments are attractive, and may be that is to keep Mother's play in this world alive. But the purpose of religion is to slowly turn this mind from such enjoyments and develop a taste for 'God'. During this process of turning, we'd be doing ourselves great harm by trying to give a sudden jerk to our habits and not enjoying anything or vainly pretending that we don't live at the sense level. So it should be ok to enjoy, keeping our spiritual goal in view and not feeling degenerated during this travel, by enjoying what is dharmic.But again, what is dharma, is itself difficult to ascertain. I remember reading, that in such cases, vedas is to be reffered to, then smritis, then puranas and then holy people living in our age, and then finally our own conscience. Personally, I feel that reading the puranas and our ithihasas gives a glimpse of what this dharma is for ordinary people. I would think that the first thing to be developed, is a strong character, with spirituality as its basis. Then we ourselves would be able to know what is dharmic enjoyment in most cases, and certainly cannot be confounded by cheaper pleasures. The closest that comes to my mind is the Yama and Niyama as stated in Patanjali's sutras, for they form the basis of everything. Or you could understand what is the dharma for our age from Swamiji and Thakur. I wrote this, not from understanding what is right and wrong enjoyment or whatever, but to give the perspective of another ignorant person. But isn't this group to share such unenlightened musings?? Regards,RajOn 8/3/07, kalyan dutt <kalyan_iitd2000 wrote: Exactly,You must enjoy life but without being attached to itlet happiness or misery come! One must be like the water drop on lotus leaf.The drop stays on the lotusleaf but doesnt stick to it and it free to movewithout leaving a trace.--- sajith <sajithachuthank > wrote:> namaste> i want to ask u all this.... must one not enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2007 Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 This is question that has occupied much of my thought, especially recently. We all want happiness. But, what is that? What trully makes us happy? Pleasure can do so. But, only for a short time. The more that we link those pleasures to something enduring, the more enduring is the happiness derived. Generally, each of us has to find his own way through the tangle of "bhoga" to find our way to more solid ground, to something that's real. I agree that shocking the mind with a sudden departure from all pleasure can be self defeating. Pleasure! We all want it. But, after getting it, we find that it vanishes as if it were mist. Yet, we still go on wanting, endlessly craving. Speaking for myself, I doubt that I could ever be free without the help of someone like the Master, Sri Ramakrishna. Great beings, such as he, come to do what we cannot. He, and others like him, help us to see through the haze of our delusion. Slowly, we start to see past the mirage of desire toward something better. Even, if we're not ceratin what that something is. Perhaps, it's the awakening of the eternal devotee in each of us. Stephen - Rajkumar Sundaram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Pranams to the group, When Lord Krishna said, " Yadruchha labha santushta... " I don't think he meant us to enjoy life. I think he meant us to be happy (santushta) with whatever comes to our lot without any expectations (adrucha labha..). This is the height of yoga as displayed by our Thakur, Sri Ramana Maharshi etc. If we look at our every action, we always act with some expectation. As Rajkumar has rightly mentioned, hinduism accepted enjoyment based on Dharma. Pranams, Prasad ______________________________\ ____ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. http://sims./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear Sajith,Fundamentally your idea seems right. Even Thakur said something to this effect when he said that it is not mind's fault. It is God who has created this world and turned our minds towards its pleasures. But my guess is (I could be wrong) that the state of the person asking these questions is shared by many stepping into the spiritual world. Which is when one develops slight taste of bitterness/dissatisfaction with material pleasures. In my continuing experience this is the most uncomfortable state to be in. This I believe is the real suffering, when a person starts asking serious questions about life as the mind vacillates between high philosophical ideas and lower desires. The lack of clarity in the mind makes it a harrowing experience and repeated efforts towards advancement fail because it doesn't have the clear backing of the mind. The will hasn't formed to last a long time and soon the clouds of doubt overwhelm. One can also say that the person hasn't suffered enough yet and hence is still wondering if he/she should give up enjoying the world. In my experience the sooner one gets out of this state of mind the better because going back and forth between the two ideas causes lot of stress on the mind and the body without giving any results. The mind should clearly formulate what it is after...world or God. Otherwise there is a lot of anguish to be had. I can relate very well with what Stephen said about needing a guru to help him. The faith in one's self becomes very weak but I was lucky enough to hear a saint talk about this topic and dismissing this idea. He said it is simply lack of enough effort on our parts that makes us think like this. He said it is lack of saiyyam that we don't get results and go after searching for gurus. One has to take decisive steps one way or the other or else life becomes a nightmare.And in response to Mr. Sundaram- Though I am sure of my lack enlightenment I am not so sure the same is true for everybody in this group.Regards,Siddharth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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