Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 The Spiritual Athma has no attachments - Baba There is a lot of difference between a normal Athma and a Mahatma. There is an attachment in the physical relationship of a normal Athma. Even if you don't like or not, you cannot run always from your Blood Relationships. I don't have such attachments. I will tell you an example.It was on the day of Panguni Uthiram and Paurnami on 4th April 2003- Sunday. It was the time for going for Poornahuthi ( When the offerings for the God are offered to the God in the fire -yagam). My physical body -elder brother came with his wife. I am telling the play of the Athma.Today for the first time, they came here with a vessel full of sweet dish made from milk ( Pal Payasam). I asked 'what'. They said 'Panguni Uthiram'. I asked again 'what' They said ' Panguni Uthiram' again. The moment I kept the Payasam in my mouth, that particular moment,my father to this physical body expired in our home town. But see, even then, I was sitting here cooly. Can you believe it? This is the difference between an Athma and a physical body. There are relationships to the physical body ,but there is no relationships after you become an Athma. It is a state where there are no relationships and no renunciation. There are certain reasons and matter in it.. You can only experience it, but you cannot explain it. So, like this, there are so many secrets ( sootchumam) which is not understood by the commom man in this world. I am drinking the milk Payasam at 3.30 p.m, at the same time, that spirit separated. I was with you only on the Paurnami day and did the Poornahuthi and I took the Abhishegam ( Holy bath of the pooja water) and enjoyed the bliss of Muruga. I sat in the Sathyanarayan Pooja in the evening. Till the last minute, whatever has to be done, I did everything. I was the same calm person. The next day, early morning, I got up and went to my hometown. Everyone will do some rituals. They will take one darbhai ( holy straw -kind) and keep it near the ear and tell the 'Karna Mantram'. I didn't even tell that. When the Mantram was being told, one second, I stood beside the body near the head and came. This is what is Shivashankar Baba is , a person who is totally non-disturbed and at the same time, who is not failing in his duties. When the 'Karna Mantram' is being told, as He was the person who gave me this physical body. If I am there, it is good for that Athma. This is what Adi Shankara also did. He went to his hometown and gave the Vishnu Mantram, durig his mother's death. Only, during that time, He was there. This is the experience of a Mahatma. Not being in any relationship and attachments ,to see that the world is not related to Him. At the same time, should follow the worldly duties and not revert which He had preached to the world. This is an example to show that I am not bookish. Why should my physical body related - elder brother tell "Panguni UthiramPanguni Uthiram" twice - means - My Physical body related - Father had gone more than 75 times to Sabari Malai. In that area - Alangayam -He was a Big Guruswamy ( a Spiritual leader/Guide to Ayyappa Devotees going to Sabari Malai). Even in his old age also, somehow he used to go to Sabari Malai, such devotion to Swamy Ayappan. That's why his Athma has to merge with Swamy Ayappan only. Panguni Uthiram is Ayappan's auspicious day. That's why , a person who is elder in that house gave me Payasam and made a request. Since, I am the Spirit associated with Panguni Uthiram. That, even he didn't know, but that Spirit knows. Only if I accept only, that Sweet dish will go into my mouth. That Spirit will merge. So, there is so much of calculation. YOu are having the worldly bodies and living your life. I have conquered my physical body long time back, on Jan 24th 1984. I have already done the last rites (Dhevasam- last rites & pooja for the dead person) in those days only. Not only for my physical wife and children , even for my previous generations. For the worldly people, there are lots of duty like giving Devasam. I don't even have that. Because, when I went to Mount Kailash, Lord Shiva told me "You to to Badrinarayanan temple and give both sesame seeds( ellu) & oil and then you will not have any Pithru Karma ( Karma of the dead people ) in your lifetime.I went to Badrikashram and gave it. I don't have any rituals, Sashtras, devasam for me. That is, if you have and if you do not do it, it is not good. Because, you have forgotten your rule. I don't have it. Whatever duty was there for this physical body, I have finished everything. To come physically is to pay off your dues. The relationship which you keep with your family in the Athma relationship in your previous birth. It has come to pass off the karmas. That's all. After you get liberated from it only, the Athma relationship comes. In Samratchana, noboby is related to me physically. Everyone are related by the Athma. That is why, it is possible for you to come to me. Once, when Paramachariyal had put up a camp in one place, a man ran and came to him with a telegram. He was hesitating and standing , how to give it to Swamy. Paramachariyal didn't even read the telegram and he asked "In a Sanyasi's family, if his mother dies, what is there inthe Sashtras?". Everyone were sitting silently. He walked up and went to the nearby waterfalls and took head bath and came and sat. That is the only reaction He has shown. One who has reached the highest spiritual state, not affected by anything, a Mahaan who lives as a Athma, the experiences which is known from this world or feel the different experiences, it happens as an Athma and not as a physical body. GOD is a matter which is beyond the body and in a very high state. You cannot understand in the normal state. Only when you convert into a Athma, can you experience these feelings. Spiritual Athma has no attachments. I have love for everyone, but no attachments. BABA LOVES YOU! ONLY BABA LOVES ! BABA LOVES ONLY! BABA Loves you and cares for you much more than your worldly responsibilities. Love and Blessings - BABA Shankaram Shiva ShankaramChant and be happy Send an e-mail to Baba at: smrtchna Visit the Samratchana websites: http://www..nethttp://www.shankaramsivashankaram.org Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Please read as "It was on the day of Panguni Uthiram & Paurnami on 4th April 2004- Sunday" (In the previous e-mail, it was mentioned 4th April 2003- sorry for the error). hema malini <hemamalinib wrote: The Spiritual Athma has no attachments - Baba There is a lot of difference between a normal Athma and a Mahatma. There is an attachment in the physical relationship of a normal Athma. Even if you don't like or not, you cannot run always from your Blood Relationships. I don't have such attachments. I will tell you an example.It was on the day of Panguni Uthiram and Paurnami on 4th April 2004- Sunday. It was the time for going for Poornahuthi ( When the offerings for the God are offered to the God in the fire -yagam). My physical body -elder brother came with his wife. I am telling the play of the Athma.Today for the first time, they came here with a vessel full of sweet dish made from milk ( Pal Payasam). I asked 'what'. They said 'Panguni Uthiram'. I asked again 'what' They said ' Panguni Uthiram' again. The moment I kept the Payasam in my mouth, that particular moment,my father to this physical body expired in our home town. But see, even then, I was sitting here cooly. Can you believe it? This is the difference between an Athma and a physical body. There are relationships to the physical body ,but there is no relationships after you become an Athma. It is a state where there are no relationships and no renunciation. There are certain reasons and matter in it.. You can only experience it, but you cannot explain it. So, like this, there are so many secrets ( sootchumam) which is not understood by the commom man in this world. I am drinking the milk Payasam at 3.30 p.m, at the same time, that spirit separated. I was with you only on the Paurnami day and did the Poornahuthi and I took the Abhishegam ( Holy bath of the pooja water) and enjoyed the bliss of Muruga. I sat in the Sathyanarayan Pooja in the evening. Till the last minute, whatever has to be done, I did everything. I was the same calm person. The next day, early morning, I got up and went to my hometown. Everyone will do some rituals. They will take one darbhai ( holy straw -kind) and keep it near the ear and tell the 'Karna Mantram'. I didn't even tell that. When the Mantram was being told, one second, I stood beside the body near the head and came. This is what is Shivashankar Baba is , a person who is totally non-disturbed and at the same time, who is not failing in his duties. When the 'Karna Mantram' is being told, as He was the person who gave me this physical body. If I am there, it is good for that Athma. This is what Adi Shankara also did. He went to his hometown and gave the Vishnu Mantram, durig his mother's death. Only, during that time, He was there. This is the experience of a Mahatma. Not being in any relationship and attachments ,to see that the world is not related to Him. At the same time, should follow the worldly duties and not revert which He had preached to the world. This is an example to show that I am not bookish. Why should my physical body related - elder brother tell "Panguni UthiramPanguni Uthiram" twice - means - My Physical body related - Father had gone more than 75 times to Sabari Malai. In that area - Alangayam -He was a Big Guruswamy ( a Spiritual leader/Guide to Ayyappa Devotees going to Sabari Malai). Even in his old age also, somehow he used to go to Sabari Malai, such devotion to Swamy Ayappan. That's why his Athma has to merge with Swamy Ayappan only. Panguni Uthiram is Ayappan's auspicious day. That's why , a person who is elder in that house gave me Payasam and made a request. Since, I am the Spirit associated with Panguni Uthiram. That, even he didn't know, but that Spirit knows. Only if I accept only, that Sweet dish will go into my mouth. That Spirit will merge. So, there is so much of calculation. YOu are having the worldly bodies and living your life. I have conquered my physical body long time back, on Jan 24th 1984. I have already done the last rites (Dhevasam- last rites & pooja for the dead person) in those days only. Not only for my physical wife and children , even for my previous generations. For the worldly people, there are lots of duty like giving Devasam. I don't even have that. Because, when I went to Mount Kailash, Lord Shiva told me "You to to Badrinarayanan temple and give both sesame seeds( ellu) & oil and then you will not have any Pithru Karma ( Karma of the dead people ) in your lifetime.I went to Badrikashram and gave it. I don't have any rituals, Sashtras, devasam for me. That is, if you have and if you do not do it, it is not good. Because, you have forgotten your rule. I don't have it. Whatever duty was there for this physical body, I have finished everything. To come physically is to pay off your dues. The relationship which you keep with your family in the Athma relationship in your previous birth. It has come to pass off the karmas. That's all. After you get liberated from it only, the Athma relationship comes. In Samratchana, noboby is related to me physically. Everyone are related by the Athma. That is why, it is possible for you to come to me. Once, when Paramachariyal had put up a camp in one place, a man ran and came to him with a telegram. He was hesitating and standing , how to give it to Swamy. Paramachariyal didn't even read the telegram and he asked "In a Sanyasi's family, if his mother dies, what is there inthe Sashtras?". Everyone were sitting silently. He walked up and went to the nearby waterfalls and took head bath and came and sat. That is the only reaction He has shown. One who has reached the highest spiritual state, not affected by anything, a Mahaan who lives as a Athma, the experiences which is known from this world or feel the different experiences, it happens as an Athma and not as a physical body. GOD is a matter which is beyond the body and in a very high state. You cannot understand in the normal state. Only when you convert into a Athma, can you experience these feelings. Spiritual Athma has no attachments. I have love for everyone, but no attachments. BABA LOVES YOU! ONLY BABA LOVES ! BABA LOVES ONLY! BABA Loves you and cares for you much more than your worldly responsibilities. Love and Blessings - BABA Shankaram Shiva ShankaramChant and be happy Send an e-mail to Baba at: smrtchna Visit the Samratchana websites: http://www..nethttp://www.shankaramsivashankaram.org Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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