Medical Study: Untreated Cancer Patients Live Longer

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Walt,

Evidentially you didn't actually read my post. I haven't bought anything. I

still say it is dangerous to post a bit of info that says when you have cancer,

do not seek treatment. The writer of that bit of info didn't specify the

different kinds of treatment available, from the conventional to the

alternative. He just said don't seek treatment. I still maintain this is

idiotic. Pick any therapy you like, but to do nothing is absurd. From where

did you get the statement, " Statistics mean nothing? " I didn't mention

statistics. As for you practicing medicine for more than thirty years, it means

very little to me. You may be an excellent doctor, a mediocre doctor, or a

washout. I have no way of knowing.

 

If you had read both my posts you would realize, it's very plain, that I am not

following any party line. What I said was that a person should get some kind of

treatment. I did NOT say it had to be conventional.

 

Your response is totally out of context with what I wrote, so I have to question

your clarity of reasoning.

 

BTW, I already have cancer.

 

Roger Kimble, SG (Smart Guy)

 

 

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waltstoll

Saturday, August 09, 2003 4:18 PM

Re: [s-A] [AltMedForum] Medical Study: Untreated Cancer Patients Live

Longer

 

 

Roger,

 

You really have bought the monopoly's hogwash hook, line and sinker.

Statistics mean nothing? Why don't you bother to go to the library and look

them up? I have practiced medicine for more than 30 years and studied

" outside the box " for more than 20 of those.

 

I know if I had any cancer, other than a few very special cancers I have

posted, I would run, not walk, from any conventional approach.

 

You are welcome to follow the party line when you get your cancer. In the

meantime, don't you think there are enough billions of dollars already

spreading propaganda about the monopoly that you have to help it along?

 

Walt Stoll, MD

 

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" Roger Kimble " <rzk357

Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:20 PM

Re: [s-A] [AltMedForum] Medical Study: Untreated Cancer Patients

Live Longer

 

 

> While I am sure this was posted with the best of intentions, it is still

hogwash. I went to the website, and all that was there was basically what

was posted below. No medical facts, no tests, no nothing, just an " opinion "

and one that is very dangerous at that. Early detection, coupled with

treatment, has saved many lives, and has cured many people. I did not say

all people. The numbers are there. We all probably know people that are

still living that were diagnosed with cancer many years ago. They are alive

because they sought and received treatment. For an example that everyone

knows, John Wayne, who had a lung removed many, many years before he died.

And no, he did not die of lung cancer.

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> Dangerous stuff to be posting.

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> Roger

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> Misty L. Trepke

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> Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:34 PM

> [s-A] [AltMedForum] Medical Study: Untreated Cancer Patients

Live Longer

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> Comments?

> Misty L. Trepke

> http://www..com

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> Untreated Cancer patients live 4 times longer- Study

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> MEDICAL STUDY SHOWS: UNTREATED PATIENTS LIVE 4 TIMES LONGER

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> than those who got conventional cancer therapy Excerpts below quote

> a speech by Dr. Hardin Jones, a prominent cancer researcher and

> former professor at the Donner Lab of Medical Physics at the

> University of California (at both Berkeley and Davis.)

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> Dr. Hardin Jones published these statistics in his article tin

> Transactions, New York Academy of Science, series 2, v. 18, n.3,

> p.322. Write us for others who collected their own cancer survival

> statistics, and who accuse official studies of being " doctored " or

> skewed by drug sponsors, to show some benefits for chemotherapy.

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> " My studies have proved conclusively that cancer patients who refuse

> chemotherapy and radiation actually live up to FOUR TIMES LONGER

> THAN TREATED CASES. "

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> Dr. Jones, formerly a physiologist with the University of California

> Department of Medical Physics, has been studying cancer for more

> than 23 years. He has traveled the world collecting data on the

> dreaded disease and presented his findings to the American Cancer

> Society and medical schools.

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> " Beyond a shadow of a doubt, radical surgery on cancer does more

> harm than good. " As for radiation treatment -- most of the time it

> makes not the slightest difference whether the machine is turned on

> or not. "

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> Dr. Jones noted that " unfortunately, it seems to be only a question

> of time, usually, before the disease pops up again all over the

> body. "

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> " Every cancer patient who keeps in excellent physical shape may have

> many good years left. The alternative is to squander those years as

> an invalid through radical medical intervention, which has zero

> chance of extending life. "

>

> Dr. Jones continued, " It's utter nonsense to claim that catching

> cancer symptoms early enough will increase the patient's chances of

> survival. "

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> " Furthermore, untreated breast cancer cases show a life expectancy

> four times longer than treated ones. ~ " My wife and I have discussed

> what she would do if breast cancer was diagnosed in her, " Dr. Jones

> continued. " And we both agreed that she would do nothing as regards

> to treatment, except to keep as healthy as possible. I guarantee she

> would live longer! "

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> http://www.brwwellness.com/ten.htm

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