Black Raspberries

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In a message dated 08/05/02 06:06:41 GMT Daylight Time, lorenzo1

writes:

 

 

> Always expect confusion between food names between areas of the world.

>

> Do you have Blackberries called Evergreen or Himalayan?

>

>

 

Thank you so much, having names will be wnderful for tracking these plants

down, I can then grow my own and freeze them for the winter months.

 

Marianne

 

 

 

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Lorenzo

Pardon me for being a Phillistine, but why should one be interested in a

paleo lifestyle, except that berries are an excellent food. Even with

McDonald's, Wendy's, pollution, vaccines, etc., we are living longer now that

cave men ever did a long time ago?

Morton

 

Lorenzo wrote:

 

>

> All berries are excellent food and considered Paleo!

>

> To join the Paleo list, send and Email to

> CaveManFood-

>

> Lorenzo

>

 

 

 

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Morning Morton,

 

At 01:29 AM 05/08/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Lorenzo

> Pardon me for being a Phillistine, but why should one be interested in a

>paleo lifestyle, except that berries are an excellent food. Even with

>McDonald's, Wendy's, pollution, vaccines, etc., we are living longer now that

>cave men ever did a long time ago?

 

An interesting statement for sure. When you said, " WE " ........ I

drew a blank for a few seconds. Not all of us practice the religion you

outlined above. Statistics prove lot of things.

 

If nutrition was a religion, we would have hundreds of thousands. I

wish we has a way to classify people based on their belief and practices

relative to nutrition.

 

Recently I have started asking all my friends two questions. The

first one....

" How may years have you been to school " ? Next I ask them how many courses

did they have on nutrition? You know the answer.

 

The masses know virtually zero about nutrition. We have one group

that has paid attention to the mainstream information and try very hard to

practice what they know.

 

A large percent of their knowledge is wrong. Dead Wrong. Since I

have been mixing coconut oil with peanut butter and honey, when friends

come by I let them taste it.

 

Most are quick to state that it is high in cholesterol and they can't

eat coconut oil.

 

My daughter, who is a diabetic has studied a lot and done a small

amount of research.

Virtually everything she knows and believes is wrong.

 

When doing research on the internet, if I hit a mainstream medical

site, I do not stay there very long. Most of the information on a

mainstream site is based on flawed studies,

corrupt ideas, and the same old crap.

 

Many article posted on lists such as this are grabbed from sites that

are not seeking the truth. We all have to be very careful and classify the

information.

 

I get a publication from Blue Cross each month. I read every

article. These are so

mainstream they stink. Rarely do I find an article in the Blue Cross

publication that I can believe 100%.

 

Ok..... so I got off track a bit.

 

I know you did not say that McDonald's and Wendy's help produce these

statistics. Likely the number of us that avoid these places are distorting

the statistics.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

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" Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

 

Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:22 AM

Re: Black Raspberries

 

 

> Morning Morton,

>

> At 01:29 AM 05/08/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> >Lorenzo

> > Pardon me for being a Phillistine, but why should one be interested

in a

> >paleo lifestyle, except that berries are an excellent food. Even with

> >McDonald's, Wendy's, pollution, vaccines, etc., we are living longer now

that

> >cave men ever did a long time ago?

>

> An interesting statement for sure. When you said, " WE " ........ I

> drew a blank for a few seconds. Not all of us practice the religion you

> outlined above. Statistics prove lot of things.

>

> If nutrition was a religion, we would have hundreds of thousands. I

> wish we has a way to classify people based on their belief and practices

> relative to nutrition.

>

> Recently I have started asking all my friends two questions. The

> first one....

> " How may years have you been to school " ? Next I ask them how many courses

> did they have on nutrition? You know the answer.

>

> The masses know virtually zero about nutrition. We have one group

> that has paid attention to the mainstream information and try very hard to

> practice what they know.

>

> A large percent of their knowledge is wrong. Dead Wrong. Since I

> have been mixing coconut oil with peanut butter and honey, when friends

> come by I let them taste it.

>

> Most are quick to state that it is high in cholesterol and they can't

> eat coconut oil.

>

> My daughter, who is a diabetic has studied a lot and done a small

> amount of research.

> Virtually everything she knows and believes is wrong.

>

> When doing research on the internet, if I hit a mainstream medical

> site, I do not stay there very long. Most of the information on a

> mainstream site is based on flawed studies,

> corrupt ideas, and the same old crap.

>

> Many article posted on lists such as this are grabbed from sites that

> are not seeking the truth. We all have to be very careful and classify

the

> information.

>

> I get a publication from Blue Cross each month. I read every

> article. These are so

> mainstream they stink. Rarely do I find an article in the Blue Cross

> publication that I can believe 100%.

>

> Ok..... so I got off track a bit.

>

> I know you did not say that McDonald's and Wendy's help produce

these

> statistics. Likely the number of us that avoid these places are distorting

> the statistics.

>

> Wayne

>

 

Wayne -- you pretty much summed up my experience. I am a recently

diagnosed diabetic who has been reading an hour (or more) a day on various

health lists & websites. The only allopathic doc I have so far found who is

worth reading is Dr. Diane Schwarzbein. Last summer, I took a class at my

local hospital for newly diagnosed diabetics. I figured it might have some

useful info. It was very difficult for me to not sneer or laugh out loud at

the dietician who gave the class. She was telling people to eat a diet

which would probably shorten their lives & also reduce the quality of their

life as well. I really wanted to say something, but as I looked around, I

realized that the people there had come to hear from the dietician. So I

held my tongue. Hopefully some of those people will find their way to

reasonable dietary info before it is too late for them -- but I must admit I

doubt they will.

 

I do not bother with any mainstream medical sites unless I am

looking to find out what supplements I am taking which may interfere with my

daily glucose readings, or I am looking for all the possible side effects of

an allopathic drug I am taking for a short time.

 

Trying to assimilate all the info on diet & to figure out what

" information " is flawed, or just a plain lie has not been easy. I have

radically changed my diet over the past year, but I also know I am just

beginning to learn how to eat. I still have a long way to go. Both in

re-training my tastebuds, my mind, and my body to accept foods which seem

strange to me. And to figure out exactly what sorts of foods I should eat

& what sorts of foods I should avoid completely, plus which ones I can have

once in a while.

 

Alobar

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Hi Wayne

Right. I did not mean that McDonald's and Wendy's contribute to our

longevity. What I meant is that in spite of all these burps in the road, we are

living longer than did cavemen (discounting being eaten by wild animals) or

those

of several hundred years ago. And, as you say, the majority of the population

know little of nutrition. (I am having trouble with coconut oil - if someone

can

explain, again, in maybe another way............)

 

Morton

 

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

> Morning Morton,

>

> At 01:29 AM 05/08/2002 -0400, you wrote:

> >Lorenzo

> > Pardon me for being a Phillistine, but why should one be interested in a

> >paleo lifestyle, except that berries are an excellent food. Even with

> >McDonald's, Wendy's, pollution, vaccines, etc., we are living longer now that

> >cave men ever did a long time ago?

>

> An interesting statement for sure. When you said, " WE " ........ I

> drew a blank for a few seconds. Not all of us practice the religion you

> outlined above. Statistics prove lot of things.

> ........

> ......

> I know you did not say that McDonald's and Wendy's help produce these

> statistics. Likely the number of us that avoid these places are distorting

> the statistics.

>

> Wayne

>

 

 

 

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Morning Lorenzo,

 

>Black raspberries grow well in Western Oregon so they should do well in The

>UK.

 

I have grown raspberries in the South East USA. During the time I was

growing blackberries commercially I tried a number of different varieties

of both blackberries and raspberries.

 

The growth habits and productivity of the raspberries I tested was

OK. The flavor was in short supply so I destroyed them all after one

years production. These were grown outside in soil with drip

irrigation. After I destroyed them, I realized I may have made a

mistake. That year, we had 5 inches of rainfall in May. In this area,

June is the blackberry month. Very likely the excess water diluted the

true flavor.

 

All growers know that minimum water produces better flavor and often

higher sugar content. This applies to grapes, melons, berries, and

virtually every other crop. This year, for the first time, all of my

garden crops are soil grown, rather than using other media. Of course my

soil is enriched with sand, manure, and cotton seed meal. I have an

excellent crop of earthworms.

 

In years past, I have used a 500 gallon bulk tank for fertigation. This

year I am using an injector that puts 2 ounces per minute of nutrients

mixed in a barrel into the city water. With 50 emitters per zone that

deliver 2 ounces per minute, I have a 50 to 1 injection ratio. I have

little guess work with the ppm calculations. Presently I am using a

hydroponic mix called Total Gro, Calcium Nitrate, and Magnesium

Sulfate. Latter in the growth cycle I will add Potassium Nitrate.

 

 

>Always expect confusion between food names between areas of the world.

>Do you have Blackberries called Evergreen or Himalayan?

>Raspberries are very different from what we call Blackberries in the USA.

 

I realize that different plant species can do their own magic with

whatever nutrients are available. The question is.....

would raspberries do some magic that blackberries cannot do when grown side

by side with the same nutrients available.

 

Lots of wild blackberries are nearby. I always harvest some of these

each year.

 

By the way, I have some of the wild strawberries growing here and there

that you mentioned. Possibly I could transplant some of these and feed

them some of my " witches brew " nutrient mix. The results would be interesting.

 

I really miss my blackberries because I have none in production. Only

one plant of which I may post a picture later.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

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Hi Wayne

I am very impressed by how you do things!! Is this organic farming? How

does

organic farming differ from non? To me, it seems that when a plant ingests

nitrogen, it doesn't care from where it comes, just that it is nitrogen. Also, I

have read on the internet, with statistics cited,that organic-grown foods

contain

more nutrients. Can you shed some light on this for me? Thanks.

Morton

 

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

> Morning Lorenzo,

>

> >Black raspberries grow well in Western Oregon so they should do well in The

> >UK.

>

> I have grown raspberries in the South East USA. During the time I was

> growing blackberries commercially I tried a number of different varieties

> of both blackberries and raspberries.

>

> The growth habits and productivity of the raspberries I tested was

> OK. The flavor was in short supply so I destroyed them all after one

> years production. These were grown outside in soil with drip

> irrigation. After I destroyed them, I realized I may have made a

> mistake. That year, we had 5 inches of rainfall in May. In this area,

> June is the blackberry month. Very likely the excess water diluted the

> true flavor.

>

> All growers know that minimum water produces better flavor and often

> higher sugar content. This applies to grapes, melons, berries, and

> virtually every other crop. This year, for the first time, all of my

> garden crops are soil grown, rather than using other media. Of course my

> soil is enriched with sand, manure, and cotton seed meal. I have an

> excellent crop of earthworms.

>

> In years past, I have used a 500 gallon bulk tank for fertigation. This

> year I am using an injector that puts 2 ounces per minute of nutrients

> mixed in a barrel into the city water. With 50 emitters per zone that

> deliver 2 ounces per minute, I have a 50 to 1 injection ratio. I have

> little guess work with the ppm calculations. Presently I am using a

> hydroponic mix called Total Gro, Calcium Nitrate, and Magnesium

> Sulfate. Latter in the growth cycle I will add Potassium Nitrate.

>

> >Always expect confusion between food names between areas of the world.

> >Do you have Blackberries called Evergreen or Himalayan?

> >Raspberries are very different from what we call Blackberries in the USA.

>

> I realize that different plant species can do their own magic with

> whatever nutrients are available. The question is.....

> would raspberries do some magic that blackberries cannot do when grown side

> by side with the same nutrients available.

>

> Lots of wild blackberries are nearby. I always harvest some of these

> each year.

>

> By the way, I have some of the wild strawberries growing here and there

> that you mentioned. Possibly I could transplant some of these and feed

> them some of my " witches brew " nutrient mix. The results would be

interesting.

>

> I really miss my blackberries because I have none in production. Only

> one plant of which I may post a picture later.

>

> Wayne

>

 

 

 

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I just finished reading her book. It's really fascinating and makes a

ton of sense.

 

Dee

 

 

 

 

The only allopathic doc I have so far found who is

> worth reading is Dr. Diane Schwarzbein.

[Guest guest]

Below article from Fresh Plaza Newsletter might be of interest to some of you.

Black raspberries are rare in supermarkets, aren't they?

 

Melly

 

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US: Black raspberries inhibit cancer

 

Flavonoids in black raspberries not only inhibit the growth of cancer, but they

also cause cancer cells to commit suicide. Researchers at the Ohio State

Comprehensive Cancer Center found that a class of flavonoids found in black

raspberries called anthocyanins, slow the growth of cancer and caused cancer

cells to commit suicide in rats with esophageal cancer.

 

“Our data provide strong evidence that anthocyanins are important for cancer

prevention,†said Gary D. Stoner, Ph.D., a professor in the department of

internal medicine at Ohio State University.

 

Stoner and his colleagues fed rats an extract of black raspberries rich in

anthocyanins, which they found was almost as effective as whole berry powder

used in clinical trials in humans which required patients to take up to 60 grams

(2.1 ounces) of powder daily. “Now that we know the anthocyanins in berries

are almost as active as whole berries themselves, we hope to be able to prevent

cancer in humans using a standardized mixture of anthocyanins,†Stoner said.

 

The study results are published in the journal Cancer Prevention Research.

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I've been growing them in a pot for 2 years. A few years ago even red raspberries weren't grown this far north, (36° 55' S) but new varieties are available now. I have managed to eat one black raspberry in 2 seasons - the rest of the family have scoffed them & I never got a look in. I LOVE raspberries.Now I know the berries thrive here (and the family likes them) I'll layer the plant for more canes. The elderberries, blueberries and cranberries are coming thick and fast, apples & grapes are a month away. Nice to eat dessert in the garden. I'm nagging for a T frame to be built for kiwifruit - vine ripened are the most beautiful tasting, especially the old dark green varieties. The newer ones haven't the flavour or colour. I think they are bred for size & shelf life

only. The yellow ones are insipid. I wonder if they have the same nutritive value and enzyme quality as the old ones.I have never been able to grow enough carrots for juicing. Years ago I was told that they couldn't be grown this far north because of carrot rust fly. We had volcanic soil then, with heaps of compost in which cabbages had already grown. I read that potassium permanganate repelled carrot rust fly. I already used it in the garden for fungus on the tamarillo tree. Well I overdid it and we had the most attractive pink topped carrots. They tasted OK and there was no carrot rust. The following year I put heaps of rhubarb through the blender & poured it along the rows before sowing. Worked wonders too!Apologies for burbling on - I quite enjoy growing food. I like lilies, gardenias & roses too!Maracuja--- On Fri, 1/23/09, Melly Bag <tita_mel wrote:Melly Bag <tita_mel Black Raspberriesoleander soup , cancercured , , ldnforcancer , flaxseedoil2 Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 9:11 PM

 

Below article from Fresh Plaza Newsletter might be of interest to some of you. Black raspberries are rare in supermarkets, aren't they?

 

Melly

 

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US: Black raspberries inhibit cancer

 

Flavonoids in black raspberries not only inhibit the growth of cancer, but they also cause cancer cells to commit suicide. Researchers at the Ohio State Comprehensive Cancer Center found that a class of flavonoids found in black raspberries called anthocyanins, slow the growth of cancer and caused cancer cells to commit suicide in rats with esophageal cancer.

 

“Our data provide strong evidence that anthocyanins are important for cancer prevention,” said Gary D. Stoner, Ph.D., a professor in the department of internal medicine at Ohio State University.

 

Stoner and his colleagues fed rats an extract of black raspberries rich in anthocyanins, which they found was almost as effective as whole berry powder used in clinical trials in humans which required patients to take up to 60 grams (2.1 ounces) of powder daily. “Now that we know the anthocyanins in berries are almost as active as whole berries themselves, we hope to be able to prevent cancer in humans using a standardized mixture of anthocyanins,” Stoner said.

 

The study results are published in the journal Cancer Prevention Research.