Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 Mr. Polifronio, With all due respect, you're not telling me anything I don't already know. Any other advice? Say something that might help to curb the craving for sweets? Or say someway to help a person choose life? How do you get someone you love out of denial? I realize he is only fooling himself and nobody else. Do you have any suggestions that we could benefit from? Thank you kindly, Gail - John Polifronio <counterpnt > If a person that has developed extremely serious disease, is willing to > drink coca-cola, which is, even for people in good health, pure poison; > you've got a big problem on your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:33:19 -0700, " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg wrote: >Any other advice? Say something that might help to curb the craving for >sweets? I know this isn't helpful (only hopeful), but there is a supplement that reduces sugar cravings but I can't remember which it is. I take it too... When it comes to me I'll post. > Or say someway to help a person choose life? How do you get >someone you love out of denial? I realize he is only fooling himself and >nobody else. Do you have any suggestions that we could benefit from? This is the tough one. Each is responsible only for himself, and you cannot force the choice of life on another. I deeply sympathize. Chuck All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 What I said may be something you already know, but the person " with the problem " doesn't seem to know what garbage coca cola is, or he wouldn't drink it. I wasn't engaging in sarcasm or flippancy, I am dead serious about consuming something as harmful as these cheap soft-drinks. I have serious heart disease which could kill me at any time, and I have come to realize, that all the doctors and healers, miracle supplements popular this month, and miracle cures, can't do much to save my life, if I continue to eat like a fool. I don't need advice anymore, I need to look within and ask myself why I'm so out of control, that I can't give up eating and drinking all the crap in the supermarket, even if it threatens my life. If your loved one smokes cigarettes, the same thing would apply. You want some helpful advice. But there are some behaviors that are so damaging, that unless you stop them, any other advice pertaining to lesser matters, is useless. I'm sorry if this sounds overly dramatic or exaggerated, but I believe that the consumption of junk-carbos is suicidal for a diabetic. My mom lost toes from gangrene consequent to diabetes; she would have lost both legs up to the knees, if she hadn't radically changed her diet. My sister lived through 20 years of hell over early onset diabetes, until she lost a lot of weight and ate sensibly. My father was an extreme diabetic, with failing vision, overweight, and succumbed to a heart attack in his late fifties. There are some changes that must occur " within " the privacy of the mind and heart of an individual facing a life threatening illness. - " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg Monday, November 12, 2001 7:33 PM Looking for helpful advice > Mr. Polifronio, > > With all due respect, you're not telling me anything I don't already know. > Any other advice? Say something that might help to curb the craving for > sweets? Or say someway to help a person choose life? How do you get > someone you love out of denial? I realize he is only fooling himself and > nobody else. Do you have any suggestions that we could benefit from? > > Thank you kindly, > > Gail > - > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > > If a person that has developed extremely serious disease, is willing to > > drink coca-cola, which is, even for people in good health, pure poison; > > you've got a big problem on your hands. > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 John, You have put it about as mildly as you can put it. If one is not willing to eliminate what is making them sick, then there is nothing anybody can do to offset it. I am tired of going into a song and dance about what I think is good for human health because its peeing in the wind, nobody pays it much attention. Now, for some advice and this is my personal humble opinion formed by research and trial. Cayenne pepper is the best thing on the face of the earth for circulation problems and its best to take it as a tea. You can buy cayenne at Wal-Mart for about 5.00 per lb. Tom John Polifronio [counterpnt] Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:25 AM Gettingwell Re: Looking for helpful advice What I said may be something you already know, but the person " with the problem " doesn't seem to know what garbage coca cola is, or he wouldn't drink it. I wasn't engaging in sarcasm or flippancy, I am dead serious about consuming something as harmful as these cheap soft-drinks. I have serious heart disease which could kill me at any time, and I have come to realize, that all the doctors and healers, miracle supplements popular this month, and miracle cures, can't do much to save my life, if I continue to eat like a fool. I don't need advice anymore, I need to look within and ask myself why I'm so out of control, that I can't give up eating and drinking all the crap in the supermarket, even if it threatens my life. If your loved one smokes cigarettes, the same thing would apply. You want some helpful advice. But there are some behaviors that are so damaging, that unless you stop them, any other advice pertaining to lesser matters, is useless. I'm sorry if this sounds overly dramatic or exaggerated, but I believe that the consumption of junk-carbos is suicidal for a diabetic. My mom lost toes from gangrene consequent to diabetes; she would have lost both legs up to the knees, if she hadn't radically changed her diet. My sister lived through 20 years of hell over early onset diabetes, until she lost a lot of weight and ate sensibly. My father was an extreme diabetic, with failing vision, overweight, and succumbed to a heart attack in his late fifties. There are some changes that must occur " within " the privacy of the mind and heart of an individual facing a life threatening illness. - " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg Monday, November 12, 2001 7:33 PM Looking for helpful advice > Mr. Polifronio, > > With all due respect, you're not telling me anything I don't already know. > Any other advice? Say something that might help to curb the craving for > sweets? Or say someway to help a person choose life? How do you get > someone you love out of denial? I realize he is only fooling himself and > nobody else. Do you have any suggestions that we could benefit from? > > Thank you kindly, > > Gail > - > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > > If a person that has developed extremely serious disease, is willing to > > drink coca-cola, which is, even for people in good health, pure poison; > > you've got a big problem on your hands. > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 here here well said one has to take ones helth in there own hands or forget it and die. Peg --- Thomas Smith <heelpin wrote: > John, > You have put it about as mildly as you can put it. > If one is not willing to > eliminate what is making them sick, then there is > nothing anybody can do to > offset it. I am tired of going into a song and dance > about what I think is > good for human health because its peeing in the > wind, nobody pays it much > attention. > Now, for some advice and this is my personal humble > opinion formed by > research and trial. > Cayenne pepper is the best thing on the face of the > earth for circulation > problems and its best to take it as a tea. You can > buy cayenne at Wal-Mart > for about 5.00 per lb. > > Tom > > John Polifronio > [counterpnt] > Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:25 AM > Gettingwell > Re: Looking for helpful > advice > > > What I said may be something you already know, but > the person " with the > problem " doesn't seem to know what garbage coca > cola is, or he wouldn't > drink it. I wasn't engaging in sarcasm or > flippancy, I am dead serious > about consuming something as harmful as these > cheap soft-drinks. > I have serious heart disease which could kill me > at any time, and I have > come to realize, that all the doctors and healers, > miracle supplements > popular this month, and miracle cures, can't do > much to save my life, if > I > continue to eat like a fool. I don't need advice > anymore, I need to look > within and ask myself why I'm so out of control, > that I can't give up > eating > and drinking all the crap in the supermarket, even > if it threatens my > life. > If your loved one smokes cigarettes, the same > thing would apply. You want > some helpful advice. But there are some behaviors > that are so damaging, > that unless you stop them, any other advice > pertaining to lesser matters, > is > useless. > I'm sorry if this sounds overly dramatic or > exaggerated, but I believe > that > the consumption of junk-carbos is suicidal for a > diabetic. My mom lost > toes > from gangrene consequent to diabetes; she would > have lost both legs up to > the knees, if she hadn't radically changed her > diet. My sister lived > through 20 years of hell over early onset > diabetes, until she lost a lot > of > weight and ate sensibly. My father was an extreme > diabetic, with failing > vision, overweight, and succumbed to a heart > attack in his late fifties. > There are some changes that must occur " within " > the privacy of the mind > and > heart of an individual facing a life threatening > illness. > > > - > " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg > > Monday, November 12, 2001 7:33 PM > Looking for helpful advice > > > > Mr. Polifronio, > > > > With all due respect, you're not telling me > anything I don't already > know. > > Any other advice? Say something that might help > to curb the craving for > > sweets? Or say someway to help a person choose > life? How do you get > > someone you love out of denial? I realize he is > only fooling himself > and > > nobody else. Do you have any suggestions that > we could benefit from? > > > > Thank you kindly, > > > > Gail > > - > > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > > > > If a person that has developed extremely > serious disease, is willing > to > > > drink coca-cola, which is, even for people in > good health, pure > poison; > > > you've got a big problem on your hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by > day, building health > > and well being. > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > Gettingwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 In a message dated 11/12/01 9:04:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, cking001 writes: > I know this isn't helpful (only hopeful), but there is a supplement that > reduces > sugar cravings but I can't remember which it is. I take it too... > When it comes to me I'll post. The herb gymnema sylvestre? I makes sugar distasteful. Starris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 - John Polifronio <counterpnt Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:25 AM Re: Looking for helpful advice *** Dear Mr. Polifronio, > What I said may be something you already know, but the person " with the > problem " doesn't seem to know what garbage coca cola is, or he wouldn't > drink it. I wasn't engaging in sarcasm or flippancy, I am dead serious > about consuming something as harmful as these cheap soft-drinks. *** The problem is he does know but continues anyway. I realize you are deadly serious and don't think you are being sarcastic. I don't need advice anymore, I need to look > within and ask myself why I'm so out of control, that I can't give up eating > and drinking all the crap in the supermarket, even if it threatens my life. > If your loved one smokes cigarettes, the same thing would apply. *** I realize this also, but how does a person get to that point? How can someone on the sidelines help them to realize this? You want > some helpful advice. But there are some behaviors that are so damaging, > that unless you stop them, any other advice pertaining to lesser matters, is > useless. *** All I know is the change or die method is just not working for my husband. > I'm sorry if this sounds overly dramatic or exaggerated, but I believe that > the consumption of junk-carbos is suicidal for a diabetic. *** Yes, you are correct and not exaggerating. My mom lost toes > from gangrene consequent to diabetes; she would have lost both legs up to > the knees, if she hadn't radically changed her diet. My sister lived > through 20 years of hell over early onset diabetes, until she lost a lot of > weight and ate sensibly. My father was an extreme diabetic, with failing > vision, overweight, and succumbed to a heart attack in his late fifties. *** I'm so sorry to hear of your loved one's needless suffering. I know how you feel. In my husband's family many have had heart attacks, strokes, amputations and died at early ages. My husband has had two heart attacks himself in his late 40's and still smokes and comsumes sugar. Hi is now 53. He once told me he could not get of cigarettes by himself. *** My father was an alcoholic, the town drunk. After growing up in an alcoholic home, I thought he would never quit. When I was an adult and had given up all hope, he stopped drinking. He once said, " One thinks there isn't any help and no hope until you are reading to stop, then there is all the help you need. " That always stuck in my mind. > There are some changes that must occur " within " the privacy of the mind and > heart of an individual facing a life threatening illness. *** How very profound, indeed! Although frustrated, I know I won't give up on him. Healing is so much more than just taking some kind of supplement. It has to involve the entire mind, body and spirit of the person. And if he never changes, I'll simply stand by him. *** Thanks for listening and for the comments. Sincerely, Gail > > > - > " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg > > Monday, November 12, 2001 7:33 PM > Looking for helpful advice > > > > Mr. Polifronio, > > > > With all due respect, you're not telling me anything I don't already know. > > Any other advice? Say something that might help to curb the craving for > > sweets? Or say someway to help a person choose life? How do you get > > someone you love out of denial? I realize he is only fooling himself and > > nobody else. Do you have any suggestions that we could benefit from? > > > > Thank you kindly, > > > > Gail > > - > > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > > > > If a person that has developed extremely serious disease, is willing to > > > drink coca-cola, which is, even for people in good health, pure poison; > > > you've got a big problem on your hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > > and well being. > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > Gettingwell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 - <cking001 Monday, November 12, 2001 9:58 PM Re: Looking for helpful advice > *** Hi Chuck, > > > This is the tough one. Each is responsible only for himself, and you cannot > force the choice of life on another. > I deeply sympathize. > Chuck > All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism. > > *** Your sympathy is greatly appreciated, more than you'll ever know. Thank you, Gail > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2001 Report Share Posted November 13, 2001 Not sure if this has been answered, but its chromium. Kate At 23:58 12/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:33:19 -0700, " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg >wrote: > > >Any other advice? Say something that might help to curb the craving for > >sweets? > >I know this isn't helpful (only hopeful), but there is a supplement that >reduces >sugar cravings but I can't remember which it is. I take it too... >When it comes to me I'll post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 Gail Your husband is very lucky to have you in his life. - " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg Tuesday, November 13, 2001 5:57 AM Re: Looking for helpful advice > > - > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:25 AM > Re: Looking for helpful advice > > *** Dear Mr. Polifronio, > > > What I said may be something you already know, but the person " with the > > problem " doesn't seem to know what garbage coca cola is, or he wouldn't > > drink it. I wasn't engaging in sarcasm or flippancy, I am dead serious > > about consuming something as harmful as these cheap soft-drinks. > > *** The problem is he does know but continues anyway. I realize you are > deadly serious and don't think you are being sarcastic. > > I don't need advice anymore, I need to look > > within and ask myself why I'm so out of control, that I can't give up > eating > > and drinking all the crap in the supermarket, even if it threatens my > life. > > If your loved one smokes cigarettes, the same thing would apply. > > *** I realize this also, but how does a person get to that point? How can > someone on the sidelines help them to realize this? > > You want > > some helpful advice. But there are some behaviors that are so damaging, > > that unless you stop them, any other advice pertaining to lesser matters, > is > > useless. > > *** All I know is the change or die method is just not working for my > husband. > > > I'm sorry if this sounds overly dramatic or exaggerated, but I believe > that > > the consumption of junk-carbos is suicidal for a diabetic. > > *** Yes, you are correct and not exaggerating. > > My mom lost toes > > from gangrene consequent to diabetes; she would have lost both legs up to > > the knees, if she hadn't radically changed her diet. My sister lived > > through 20 years of hell over early onset diabetes, until she lost a lot > of > > weight and ate sensibly. My father was an extreme diabetic, with failing > > vision, overweight, and succumbed to a heart attack in his late fifties. > > *** I'm so sorry to hear of your loved one's needless suffering. I know > how you feel. In my husband's family many have had heart attacks, strokes, > amputations and died at early ages. My husband has had two heart attacks > himself in his late 40's and still smokes and comsumes sugar. Hi is now 53. > He once told me he could not get of cigarettes by himself. > > *** My father was an alcoholic, the town drunk. After growing up in an > alcoholic home, I thought he would never quit. When I was an adult and had > given up all hope, he stopped drinking. He once said, " One thinks there > isn't any help and no hope until you are reading to stop, then there is all > the help you need. " That always stuck in my mind. > > > There are some changes that must occur " within " the privacy of the mind > and > > heart of an individual facing a life threatening illness. > > *** How very profound, indeed! Although frustrated, I know I won't give up > on him. Healing is so much more than just taking some kind of supplement. > It has to involve the entire mind, body and spirit of the person. And if he > never changes, I'll simply stand by him. > > *** Thanks for listening and for the comments. > > Sincerely, > > Gail > > > > > > - > > " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg > > > > Monday, November 12, 2001 7:33 PM > > Looking for helpful advice > > > > > > > Mr. Polifronio, > > > > > > With all due respect, you're not telling me anything I don't already > know. > > > Any other advice? Say something that might help to curb the craving for > > > sweets? Or say someway to help a person choose life? How do you get > > > someone you love out of denial? I realize he is only fooling himself > and > > > nobody else. Do you have any suggestions that we could benefit from? > > > > > > Thank you kindly, > > > > > > Gail > > > - > > > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > > > > > > If a person that has developed extremely serious disease, is willing > to > > > > drink coca-cola, which is, even for people in good health, pure > poison; > > > > you've got a big problem on your hands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > > > and well being. > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 Gail Only your husband can choose life and wellness. You can encourage him, but he has to be the one to make the decision. This is going to sound harsh, and I don';t mean it to be as I have been there myself with my previous husband. They need to be responsible for their own health, and if you keep on at them, they will never do it. Can I suggest not mentioning anything about health for a month, and leave this issue alone, and see if he responds. While you are doing all the work for him, he will do nothing about it. Why should he worry when you are worrying for him? I have learnt that everyone has to be the healer of their own health problems. I have advised people for years on this and that, but it wasn't until they got desperate enough that they started to listen. In the end I gave up telling people what would help them, because most only want a quick fix and aren't prepared to put in the work. When your husband is ready, if ever, it needs to come from him. You can help the sweet cravings with Licqirioce tea, or Chromium to balance blood sugars... sugar cravings usually take between 2-3 weeks to go, like nicotine does, then you are free of them mostly. Sugar is an addictive substance that the body withdraws from, so you will get cravings by not having it. You could try cutting out the carbs as they get converted to sugar. Eat more protein and veggies, or grains like buckwheat and quinoa, which are protein grains. High index carbs like rice etc, can couse people to crave sweets as well. Hope this helps some. Sorry to be so discouraging, but been there done that, and cannot change someone else. Has to come from them. Regards Tracy - " Gail Naranjo " <mmgg Tuesday, 13 November 2001 16:33 Looking for helpful advice > Mr. Polifronio, > > With all due respect, you're not telling me anything I don't already know. > Any other advice? Say something that might help to curb the craving for > sweets? Or say someway to help a person choose life? How do you get > someone you love out of denial? I realize he is only fooling himself and > nobody else. Do you have any suggestions that we could benefit from? > > Thank you kindly, > > Gail > - > John Polifronio <counterpnt > > > If a person that has developed extremely serious disease, is willing to > > drink coca-cola, which is, even for people in good health, pure poison; > > you've got a big problem on your hands. > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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