Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 The Campaign <information wrote: The Campaign angelprincessjo WSJ reports on FDA warning letters Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:25:02 PST News Update From The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods ---- Dear Health Freedom Fighters, The Wall Street Journal featured an article in Thursday's paper titled " FDA Warns of Misleading Labels On Genetic Modification in Foods. " The article reports that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) sent letters to six natural food companies expressing concern that they may be misleading consumers with labels indicating their products are free of genetic modification. Although not mentioned in the Wall Street Journal article, the letters from the FDA to these natural food manufacturers may have been sent as a result of the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) requesting the FDA take this action. On August 14, 2001, CSPI asked the FDA to take action against seven companies " whose product labels deceive consumers with false or misleading claims about the absence of genetically engineered (GE) ingredients. " The FDA letter went out to six of the seven companies targeted by CSPI. Much to the disappointment of many people in the nutrition and environmental communities, CSPI has been supporting genetically engineered foods. CSPI received a grant of $200,000 in October 2000 from the pro-biotech Rockefeller Foundation to go towards " the costs of a project to broaden public debate on genetic engineering in agriculture and to encourage improved regulations in biotechnology. " The letters from the FDA are most likely meant to intimidate natural foods companies. It would be premature for the FDA to actually demand the companies remove these products from being sold because the agency has not yet issued either " Proposed Rules " or " Final Rules " regarding the labeling of non-genetically engineered foods. So far, all the FDA has issued is a document titled " Draft Guidance for Industry: Voluntary Labeling Indicating Whether Foods Have or Have Not Been Developed Using Bioengineering. " Again, the FDA has not yet issued any formal " Rules " on labeling non-genetically engineered foods. If the FDA actually demanded that these products be recalled as mislabeled, the companies could fight the FDA in court and would probably win. The courts would likely determine that such FDA action is " arbitrary and capricious " without rules being in place. But most companies do not want to get involved in a costly court battle with the FDA. THE CAMPAIGN'S POSITION ON " NON-GMO " AND " GMO-FREE " LABELING In the FDA's " Draft Guidance for Industry: Voluntary Labeling Indicating Whether Foods Have or Have Not Been Developed Using Bioengineering, " the agency questioned the use of the term " GMO-Free " arguing that it could be misleading to consumers. The FDA's position is that GMO-Free indicates a product is 100% free of GMOs and that this is not possible. (Sadly, one of the primary reasons 100% GMO-Free is not possible is because of contamination from cross-pollination.) The FDA also questioned the term " Non-GMO " and suggested a term such as " not developed using bioengineering " would be a more appropriate label. The position of The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods is that the term " Non-GMO " should be permitted, but not the term " GMO-Free. " We base our position on the way the government uses the terms " Free " and " Non " in the regulation of alcoholic beverages. An " Alcohol-Free " beer must be 100% free of alcohol. A " Non-Alcoholic " beer can have up to 0.5% alcohol. Since there is a government precedent for the use of the terms " Free " and " Non, " The Campaign feels this same criteria should be applied to indicating the presence of genetically engineered ingredients. A product grown and processed without genetically engineered ingredients should qualify for a " Non-GMO " or similarly worded label even if the product has very low levels of GMOs unavoidably present. (A threshold needs to be established somewhere below 1%, perhaps as low as 0.1%.) While The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods agrees that a " GMO-Free " label may be misleading, we feel that the organic and natural foods industries should fight for the right to have a " Non-GMO " label on their products. Before implementing labeling restrictions, the FDA will first need to issue " Proposed Rules " and allow for a comment period. After reviewing the comments for several months, the FDA will eventually issue " Final Rules. " Even then, there is usually a significant time frame allowed for implementation of the " Final Rules " to allow manufacturers time to modify their labeling to comply with the rules and use up existing inventories. The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods encourages companies using a " Non-GMO " or " Non-Genetically Engineered " label to keep that labeling in place and not feel intimidated by the FDA. Although the FDA can be unpredictable at times, it is unlikely they are going to demand any products be removed from the shelves with a " Non-GMO " or " Non-Genetically Engineered " label before issuing " Proposed Rules " and " Final Rules " regarding this issue. When the FDA finally gets around to issuing " Proposed Rules " on labeling products produced without genetically engineered ingredients, we hope the natural foods industry will fight for the right to have a " Non-GMO " or " Non-Genetically Engineered " label. The biotech industry does not want the terms " non-genetically engineered " or " Non-GMO " used. They prefer the terminology " not developed using bioengineering. " Why? Because their market surveys show people react negatively to the terms " genetically engineered " and " GMOs. " People find the term " biotechnology " less frightening. Since the biotech industry seems to get the FDA to do whatever they want, we expect that the FDA will issue " Proposed Rules " favoring the desires of the biotech industry. Consumers and the natural food industry should be prepared to fight the FDA over this issue and not let the biotech industry have it's way. Posted below is the Wall Street Journal article titled " FDA Warns of Misleading Labels On Genetic Modification in Foods. " We also posted a copy of a CSPI Press Release from August 14, 2001, that discusses their request for the FDA to take this action. Craig Winters Executive Director The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods The Campaign PO Box 55699 Seattle, WA 98155 Tel: 425-771-4049 Fax: 603-825-5841 E-mail: label Web Site: http://www.thecampaign.org Mission Statement: " To create a national grassroots consumer campaign for the purpose of lobbying Congress and the President to pass legislation that will require the labeling of genetically engineered foods in the United States. " *************************************************************** Wall Street Journal Thursday, December 20, 2001 FDA Warns of Misleading Labels On Genetic Modification in Foods by Scott Kilman The Food and Drug Administration, trying to douse one of the hottest trends in food retailing, is warning Hain Celestial Group Inc. and five other natural-foods companies that they are misleading consumers with labels touting products as free of genetic modification. The non-GMO label -- the initials stand for " genetically modified organisms " -- is on hundreds of food products. Virtually unknown in North America just three years ago, the label is materializing on everything from pasta and breakfast cereal to baby food and jam. The label is popular because repeated surveys show that the majority of U.S. consumers want to know about the presence of genetically modified ingredients, apparently so that they can choose whether to avoid them. But the FDA letters, issued on Nov. 29, reflect the growing concern of agency officials that some marketers might be trying to play to the public's worries about an unfamiliar technology -- which that FDA has declared is safe. " We want to stop misleading statements, " said Christine Taylor, director of the FDA office that supervises label claims. It's far from clear, however, exactly what a food company can legally say about its efforts to avoid biotechnology. The agency is still wading through 55,000 comments on the wording guidance it wants to issue to companies. Among other things, the FDA wants to stop companies from claiming products are free of genetically modified ingredients. Regulators fear consumers equate such a claim with a healthier product, much as dieters seek out fat-free products. The FDA also doubts that food companies can make a non-GMO claim with absolute certainty. The Wall Street Journal, for a page-one article on April 5, had a food laboratory analyze products that bore labels claiming that none of the ingredients were genetically modified. Of the 20 products tested, 16 contained evidence of genetic material used to modify plants. The FDA complained in its letter that some Hain products -- such as Bearitos tortilla chips -- are labeled as " pure " with the claim that they don't contain genetically engineered ingredients. Hain, Uniondale, N.Y., didn't return phone calls seeking comment on the FDA letter, which asks the company to explain how it intends to comply with branding laws that prohibit misleading labels. Some companies quickly backpedaled after receiving the FDA letter. Healthy Times Inc., a closely held maker of natural baby food, will probably drop its non-GMO label. " We have a natural philosophy, so we avoid GMOs, " said Richard Prescott, who runs the small Poway, Calif., company with his wife. " But we aren't big enough to the fight the FDA, " he said. U.S. Mills Inc., Needham, Mass., said it will try to reword the label on its Erewhon brand of breakfast cereal and move it to a less conspicuous spot on the box. " We need the information [on the box] or people will constantly call us, " said Charles T. Verde, president of the company. " The FDA is way out of line on this. " The FDA letters also were sent to Spectrum Organic Products Inc. in Petaluma, Calif.; B & G Foods Inc., Parsippany, N.J.; and Van's International Foods, Torrance, Calif. *************************************************************** CSPI Press Release August 14, 2001 CSPI Urges FDA to Halt Misleading ‘Non-genetically Engineered’ Food-label Claims (Washington) The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) today asked the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to take enforcement action against seven food manufacturers whose product labels deceive consumers with false or misleading claims about the absence of genetically engineered (GE) ingredients. CSPI’s complaint concerns Polaner’s All Fruit Spreads, Earth’s Best Baby Foods, Healthy Times Oatmeal with Banana Cereal, Van’s Organic Waffles, Spectrum Canola Oil, Bearitos Tortilla Chips, and Erewhon Wheat Flakes. CSPI is not concerned about the quality or safety of the products, but charges that their labels violate the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and FDA’s guidance about labeling foods for GE content. Some examples include: Earth’s Best Apples and Apricots baby food implies that it is superior to competing, similar products by stating at least seven different times on the package that it contains “NO GMO’s” (genetically modified organisms). Although technically accurate, that claim is misleading because no baby food contains “organisms,” and no brand of apples and apricot baby foods, not just Earth’s Best, contains GE ingredients. Erewhon Wheat Flakes implies that it is superior to competing products by stating that it is “100% Natural”and does not contain “Genetically Engineered Ingredients.” In fact, no GE wheat is present in any food. Polaner’s All Fruit Strawberry states that it is “NOW GMO FREE,” yet this jam-like product made primarily with strawberries and fruit juices does not, and never did, contain “organisms.“ “Consumers want information about GE ingredients in their foods, but that information should be presented in an accurate and non-disparaging manner,” said Gregory Jaffe, co-director of CSPI’s Biotechnology Project. “These labels bear false or misleading statements such as ‘No GMO’s’ that take unfair advantage of consumer concerns and lack of knowledge about GE crops. The labels imply that the absence of GE ingredients makes the products superior, when that is not the case.” FDA, the American Medical Association, and many other health organizations have determined that GE crops are as safe to eat as traditionally bred crops. In fact, traditionally bred crops may be treated with more pesticides, or more dangerous pesticides than their bioengineered counterparts. “Although CSPI favors labeling of GE ingredients, these seven products show that manufacturers are taking advantage of consumers with false and misleading label statements,” added Jaffe. CSPI recently conducted a national opinion poll that found that labels stating “GE”or “non-GE” would influence many consumers’ perceptions and preferences. About 31% of consumers said that products labeled GE were not as safe as non-GE foods. A similar percentage said that foods labeled “does not contain genetically engineered ingredients” were better than unlabeled foods. Only about 10% said that the GE-labeled product was safer or better. (33% to 42% said that GE and non-GE foods were just as safe or good). Given many consumers’ innate skepticism of any new technology, CSPI said that manufacturers must be careful not to mislead consumers. “FDA needs to send a clear message to manufacturers that label statements need to be both accurate and not imply superiority,” added Jaffe. Anticipating the day when biotechnology is used to provide consumer benefits, CSPI’s letter also urged the FDA to guard against deceptive claims about such benefits. “The FDA should nip this growing problem in the bud.” <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> * To remove yourself from this mailing list, point your browser to: http://i.pm0.net/remove?TheCampaign:12 * Enter your email address (angelprincessjo) in the field provided and click " Un " . The mailing list ID is " TheCampaign:12 " . OR... * Forward a copy of this message to TheCampaign.12 with the word remove in the subject line. 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Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Please note that Spectrum Canola is among those listed as suspect by the FDA. JoAnn Guest The Campaign <information wrote: The Campaign angelprincessjo WSJ reports on FDA warning letters Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:25:02 PST News Update From The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods ---- Dear Health Freedom Fighters, The Wall Street Journal featured an article in Thursday's paper titled " FDA Warns of Misleading Labels On Genetic Modification in Foods. " The article reports that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) sent letters to six natural food companies expressing concern that they may be misleading consumers with labels indicating their products are free of genetic modification. Although not mentioned in the Wall Street Journal article, the letters from the FDA to these natural food manufacturers may have been sent as a result of the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) requesting the FDA take this action. On August 14, 2001, CSPI asked the FDA to take action against seven companies " whose product labels deceive consumers with false or misleading claims about the absence of genetically engineered (GE) ingredients. " The FDA letter went out to six of the seven companies targeted by CSPI. Much to the disappointment of many people in the nutrition and environmental communities, CSPI has been supporting genetically engineered foods. CSPI received a grant of $200,000 in October 2000 from the pro-biotech Rockefeller Foundation to go towards " the costs of a project to broaden public debate on genetic engineering in agriculture and to encourage improved regulations in biotechnology. " The letters from the FDA are most likely meant to intimidate natural foods companies. It would be premature for the FDA to actually demand the companies remove these products from being sold because the agency has not yet issued either " Proposed Rules " or " Final Rules " regarding the labeling of non-genetically engineered foods. So far, all the FDA has issued is a document titled " Draft Guidance for Industry: Voluntary Labeling Indicating Whether Foods Have or Have Not Been Developed Using Bioengineering. " Again, the FDA has not yet issued any formal " Rules " on labeling non-genetically engineered foods. If the FDA actually demanded that these products be recalled as mislabeled, the companies could fight the FDA in court and would probably win. The courts would likely determine that such FDA action is " arbitrary and capricious " without rules being in place. But most companies do not want to get involved in a costly court battle with the FDA. THE CAMPAIGN'S POSITION ON " NON-GMO " AND " GMO-FREE " LABELING In the FDA's " Draft Guidance for Industry: Voluntary Labeling Indicating Whether Foods Have or Have Not Been Developed Using Bioengineering, " the agency questioned the use of the term " GMO-Free " arguing that it could be misleading to consumers. The FDA's position is that GMO-Free indicates a product is 100% free of GMOs and that this is not possible. (Sadly, one of the primary reasons 100% GMO-Free is not possible is because of contamination from cross-pollination.) The FDA also questioned the term " Non-GMO " and suggested a term such as " not developed using bioengineering " would be a more appropriate label. The position of The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods is that the term " Non-GMO " should be permitted, but not the term " GMO-Free. " We base our position on the way the government uses the terms " Free " and " Non " in the regulation of alcoholic beverages. An " Alcohol-Free " beer must be 100% free of alcohol. A " Non-Alcoholic " beer can have up to 0.5% alcohol. Since there is a government precedent for the use of the terms " Free " and " Non, " The Campaign feels this same criteria should be applied to indicating the presence of genetically engineered ingredients. A product grown and processed without genetically engineered ingredients should qualify for a " Non-GMO " or similarly worded label even if the product has very low levels of GMOs unavoidably present. (A threshold needs to be established somewhere below 1%, perhaps as low as 0.1%.) While The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods agrees that a " GMO-Free " label may be misleading, we feel that the organic and natural foods industries should fight for the right to have a " Non-GMO " label on their products. Before implementing labeling restrictions, the FDA will first need to issue " Proposed Rules " and allow for a comment period. After reviewing the comments for several months, the FDA will eventually issue " Final Rules. " Even then, there is usually a significant time frame allowed for implementation of the " Final Rules " to allow manufacturers time to modify their labeling to comply with the rules and use up existing inventories. The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods encourages companies using a " Non-GMO " or " Non-Genetically Engineered " label to keep that labeling in place and not feel intimidated by the FDA. Although the FDA can be unpredictable at times, it is unlikely they are going to demand any products be removed from the shelves with a " Non-GMO " or " Non-Genetically Engineered " label before issuing " Proposed Rules " and " Final Rules " regarding this issue. When the FDA finally gets around to issuing " Proposed Rules " on labeling products produced without genetically engineered ingredients, we hope the natural foods industry will fight for the right to have a " Non-GMO " or " Non-Genetically Engineered " label. The biotech industry does not want the terms " non-genetically engineered " or " Non-GMO " used. They prefer the terminology " not developed using bioengineering. " Why? Because their market surveys show people react negatively to the terms " genetically engineered " and " GMOs. " People find the term " biotechnology " less frightening. Since the biotech industry seems to get the FDA to do whatever they want, we expect that the FDA will issue " Proposed Rules " favoring the desires of the biotech industry. Consumers and the natural food industry should be prepared to fight the FDA over this issue and not let the biotech industry have it's way. Posted below is the Wall Street Journal article titled " FDA Warns of Misleading Labels On Genetic Modification in Foods. " We also posted a copy of a CSPI Press Release from August 14, 2001, that discusses their request for the FDA to take this action. Craig Winters Executive Director The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods The Campaign PO Box 55699 Seattle, WA 98155 Tel: 425-771-4049 Fax: 603-825-5841 E-mail: label Web Site: http://www.thecampaign.org Mission Statement: " To create a national grassroots consumer campaign for the purpose of lobbying Congress and the President to pass legislation that will require the labeling of genetically engineered foods in the United States. " *************************************************************** Wall Street Journal Thursday, December 20, 2001 FDA Warns of Misleading Labels On Genetic Modification in Foods by Scott Kilman The Food and Drug Administration, trying to douse one of the hottest trends in food retailing, is warning Hain Celestial Group Inc. and five other natural-foods companies that they are misleading consumers with labels touting products as free of genetic modification. The non-GMO label -- the initials stand for " genetically modified organisms " -- is on hundreds of food products. Virtually unknown in North America just three years ago, the label is materializing on everything from pasta and breakfast cereal to baby food and jam. The label is popular because repeated surveys show that the majority of U.S. consumers want to know about the presence of genetically modified ingredients, apparently so that they can choose whether to avoid them. But the FDA letters, issued on Nov. 29, reflect the growing concern of agency officials that some marketers might be trying to play to the public's worries about an unfamiliar technology -- which that FDA has declared is safe. " We want to stop misleading statements, " said Christine Taylor, director of the FDA office that supervises label claims. It's far from clear, however, exactly what a food company can legally say about its efforts to avoid biotechnology. The agency is still wading through 55,000 comments on the wording guidance it wants to issue to companies. Among other things, the FDA wants to stop companies from claiming products are free of genetically modified ingredients. Regulators fear consumers equate such a claim with a healthier product, much as dieters seek out fat-free products. The FDA also doubts that food companies can make a non-GMO claim with absolute certainty. The Wall Street Journal, for a page-one article on April 5, had a food laboratory analyze products that bore labels claiming that none of the ingredients were genetically modified. Of the 20 products tested, 16 contained evidence of genetic material used to modify plants. The FDA complained in its letter that some Hain products -- such as Bearitos tortilla chips -- are labeled as " pure " with the claim that they don't contain genetically engineered ingredients. Hain, Uniondale, N.Y., didn't return phone calls seeking comment on the FDA letter, which asks the company to explain how it intends to comply with branding laws that prohibit misleading labels. Some companies quickly backpedaled after receiving the FDA letter. Healthy Times Inc., a closely held maker of natural baby food, will probably drop its non-GMO label. " We have a natural philosophy, so we avoid GMOs, " said Richard Prescott, who runs the small Poway, Calif., company with his wife. " But we aren't big enough to the fight the FDA, " he said. U.S. Mills Inc., Needham, Mass., said it will try to reword the label on its Erewhon brand of breakfast cereal and move it to a less conspicuous spot on the box. " We need the information [on the box] or people will constantly call us, " said Charles T. Verde, president of the company. " The FDA is way out of line on this. " The FDA letters also were sent to Spectrum Organic Products Inc. in Petaluma, Calif.; B & G Foods Inc., Parsippany, N.J.; and Van's International Foods, Torrance, Calif. *************************************************************** CSPI Press Release August 14, 2001 CSPI Urges FDA to Halt Misleading ‘Non-genetically Engineered’ Food-label Claims (Washington) The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) today asked the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to take enforcement action against seven food manufacturers whose product labels deceive consumers with false or misleading claims about the absence of genetically engineered (GE) ingredients. CSPI’s complaint concerns Polaner’s All Fruit Spreads, Earth’s Best Baby Foods, Healthy Times Oatmeal with Banana Cereal, Van’s Organic Waffles, Spectrum Canola Oil, Bearitos Tortilla Chips, and Erewhon Wheat Flakes. CSPI is not concerned about the quality or safety of the products, but charges that their labels violate the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and FDA’s guidance about labeling foods for GE content. Some examples include: Earth’s Best Apples and Apricots baby food implies that it is superior to competing, similar products by stating at least seven different times on the package that it contains “NO GMO’s” (genetically modified organisms). Although technically accurate, that claim is misleading because no baby food contains “organisms,” and no brand of apples and apricot baby foods, not just Earth’s Best, contains GE ingredients. Erewhon Wheat Flakes implies that it is superior to competing products by stating that it is “100% Natural”and does not contain “Genetically Engineered Ingredients.” In fact, no GE wheat is present in any food. Polaner’s All Fruit Strawberry states that it is “NOW GMO FREE,” yet this jam-like product made primarily with strawberries and fruit juices does not, and never did, contain “organisms.“ “Consumers want information about GE ingredients in their foods, but that information should be presented in an accurate and non-disparaging manner,” said Gregory Jaffe, co-director of CSPI’s Biotechnology Project. “These labels bear false or misleading statements such as ‘No GMO’s’ that take unfair advantage of consumer concerns and lack of knowledge about GE crops. The labels imply that the absence of GE ingredients makes the products superior, when that is not the case.” FDA, the American Medical Association, and many other health organizations have determined that GE crops are as safe to eat as traditionally bred crops. In fact, traditionally bred crops may be treated with more pesticides, or more dangerous pesticides than their bioengineered counterparts. “Although CSPI favors labeling of GE ingredients, these seven products show that manufacturers are taking advantage of consumers with false and misleading label statements,” added Jaffe. CSPI recently conducted a national opinion poll that found that labels stating “GE”or “non-GE” would influence many consumers’ perceptions and preferences. About 31% of consumers said that products labeled GE were not as safe as non-GE foods. A similar percentage said that foods labeled “does not contain genetically engineered ingredients” were better than unlabeled foods. Only about 10% said that the GE-labeled product was safer or better. (33% to 42% said that GE and non-GE foods were just as safe or good). Given many consumers’ innate skepticism of any new technology, CSPI said that manufacturers must be careful not to mislead consumers. “FDA needs to send a clear message to manufacturers that label statements need to be both accurate and not imply superiority,” added Jaffe. Anticipating the day when biotechnology is used to provide consumer benefits, CSPI’s letter also urged the FDA to guard against deceptive claims about such benefits. “The FDA should nip this growing problem in the bud.” <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> <<<>>> * To remove yourself from this mailing list, point your browser to: http://i.pm0.net/remove?TheCampaign:12 * Enter your email address (angelprincessjo) in the field provided and click " Un " . The mailing list ID is " TheCampaign:12 " . OR... * Forward a copy of this message to TheCampaign.12 with the word remove in the subject line. 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