Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Just how much soy did Asians eat? In short, not that much, and contrary to what the industry may claim soy has never been a staple in Asia. A study of the history of soy use in Asia shows that it was used by the poor during times of extreme food shortage, and only then the soybeans were carefully prepared (e.g. by lengthy fermentation) to destroy the soy toxins. Yes, the Asians understood soy alright! See the complete article at: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/history.htm Lorenzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Thank you for that Lorenzo. Soy is prob. the worst of the beans (dried beans are a mucous forming food). I made a blanket statement that no food caused cancer but there is evidence that soy certainly can enable breast and prostate cancer. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Lorenzo > 1/5/2002 9:40:18 PM > Gettingwell > Just how much soy did Asians eat? > Just how much soy did Asians eat? > > > > In short, not that much, and contrary to what the industry may claim soy has > > never been a staple in Asia. A study of the history of soy use in Asia > > shows that it was used by the poor during times of extreme food shortage, > > and only then the soybeans were carefully prepared (e.g. by lengthy > > fermentation) to destroy the soy toxins. Yes, the Asians understood soy > > alright! > > > > See the complete article at: > > > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/history.htm > > > > > > Lorenzo > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 At 05:28 AM 1/6/02 -0800, you wrote: >I made a blanket statement that no food caused cancer but there is >evidence that soy certainly can enable breast and prostate cancer. Ron, Can you give more info on this please? I have a very particular concern. My almost 5 yr old son is thriving on a gluten and casein free diet, and soy milk has become a staple for him. I can't even begin to think of what would be a suitable substitute for him but if the soy is no good then I guess we'll have to be creative... somehow. Also I understand that soy milk is a progesterone agonist? Is this true? Could it help explain a link to breast cancer? Marty Website Creation Made SIMPL http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml WebSafe Color Picker -- http://face2interface.com/WebSafe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 > Thank you for that Lorenzo. > Soy is prob. the worst of the beans (dried beans are a mucous forming food). > I made a blanket statement that no food caused cancer but there is > evidence that soy certainly can enable breast and prostate cancer. > > Ron > _____________ Ron, Are you speakin of genetically altered or all soy? If all, then from where comes the statements on media that soy helps prevent breast cancer? francie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 My girlfriend has a boy that has many allergies and his doctor took him off of soy, he now has him on nutramagen I believe that what it is called, he has now gained weight and is doing fine. He was having digestive problems with soy. I do not know anything about it, except its a formula that he is going to have to stay with for years to come. Elaine - Marty Landman Gettingwell Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:07 AM Re: Just how much soy did Asians eat? At 05:28 AM 1/6/02 -0800, you wrote: >I made a blanket statement that no food caused cancer but there is >evidence that soy certainly can enable breast and prostate cancer. Ron, Can you give more info on this please? I have a very particular concern. My almost 5 yr old son is thriving on a gluten and casein free diet, and soy milk has become a staple for him. I can't even begin to think of what would be a suitable substitute for him but if the soy is no good then I guess we'll have to be creative... somehow. Also I understand that soy milk is a progesterone agonist? Is this true? Could it help explain a link to breast cancer? Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2002 Report Share Posted January 6, 2002 Hi Francie, I'm looking up some other sources but they all speak of soy, period. Genetically altered " food " brings it's own liabilities in addition to the inherent ones. Statements in the media always come from the purveyors of the product who do not give a hoot as long as the consumer opens the wallet. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > francies2 > 1/6/2002 7:32:41 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Just how much soy did Asians eat? Are you speakin of genetically altered or all soy? If all, then from where comes the statements on media that soy helps prevent breast cancer? francie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Hi, I have been reading your posts for a couple of days now and I have really enjoyed all that you have had to say. I was not planning on writing anything for awhile, I was just going to sit back and read, but I would like your option on this article http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/Articles/Oct%20Dec%202001%20Newsletter%20Soy%20Alert\ %20by%20Debi%20Pearl.htm It is about the hazards of soy. This is something I have never heard of and soy is so pushed in our society ! Thank you, Nanci Anxiety does not empty tomorrow of its sorrows, but only empties today of its strength. Charles H. Spurgeon (1834-1892) - Marty Landman Gettingwell Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:07 AM Re: Just how much soy did Asians eat? At 05:28 AM 1/6/02 -0800, you wrote: >I made a blanket statement that no food caused cancer but there is >evidence that soy certainly can enable breast and prostate cancer. Ron, Can you give more info on this please? I have a very particular concern. My almost 5 yr old son is thriving on a gluten and casein free diet, and soy milk has become a staple for him. I can't even begin to think of what would be a suitable substitute for him but if the soy is no good then I guess we'll have to be creative... somehow. Also I understand that soy milk is a progesterone agonist? Is this true? Could it help explain a link to breast cancer? Marty Website Creation Made SIMPL http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml WebSafe Color Picker -- http://face2interface.com/WebSafe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Actually there are conflicting views on this. Julia Childs and others have successfully used Soy to counteract and reverse breast cancer. It takes up the estrogen receptor sites keeping the more harmful forms of estrogen from occupying those sites. Possibly you are speaking of the GMO soy which is definitely very harmful! One has to be careful of the source as always! JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html Marty Landman <marty@f...> wrote: > At 05:28 AM 1/6/02 -0800, you wrote: > > >I made a blanket statement that no food caused cancer but there is > >evidence that soy certainly can enable breast and prostate cancer. > > Ron, > > Can you give more info on this please? I have a very particular concern. My > almost 5 yr old son is thriving on a gluten and casein free diet, and soy > milk has become a staple for him. I can't even begin to think of what would > be a suitable substitute for him but if the soy is no good then I guess > we'll have to be creative... somehow. > > Also I understand that soy milk is a progesterone agonist? Is this true? > Could it help explain a link to breast cancer? > > Marty > > Website Creation Made SIMPL > http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml > WebSafe Color Picker -- http://face2interface.com/WebSafe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Hi Nancy, That is an exceptionally thorough article on soy that concludes : Conclusion I have read for days, even weeks. My neck is stiff from sitting in one spot researching. There are thousands of pages on soy, stating that it is wonderful, and thousands of pages saying how terrible it is. After all I have read, it is clear that money is the deciding factor, not health. Soy is a drug, like many herbs. It is too powerful of a drug to use freely as a food. I visited a health food store yesterday. There was aisle after aisle and shelf after shelf of ready-made, packaged, long lasting, processed, soy health food. There were soy based vitamins, medicines, creams, lotions, rubs, green drinks, baby food, cereal, crackers, milk, soup, cookies, meat substitute, noodles, hot drinks, sauces, nut substitute, chips, candy bars, and anything else a person eats. While I stood there looking around, I felt like I had been a big fool to have thought that all that stuff was healthy. When men try to improve on what God gave, it should be questioned. Cereal should be grains; milk should be the way it was in the Promised Land; meat should be as it was when Jesus fed the multitude, or when Abraham fed the angels of God, and vegetables should be garden fresh. ********** Mary Enig concluded simply : " Soy is too problematic " . Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Nanci Klein > 1/6/2002 4:20:31 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Just how much soy did Asians eat? > > > > > > Hi, I have been reading your posts for a couple of days now and I have really enjoyed all that you have > had to say. > > I was not planning on writing anything for awhile, I was just going to sit back and read, but I would like > your option on this article > > > > http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/Articles/Oct%20Dec%202001%20Newsletter%20Soy %20Alert%20by% > 20Debi%20Pearl.htm > > > > It is about the hazards of soy. This is something I have never heard of and soy is so pushed in our > society ! > > > > Thank you, Nanci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 When there's this much confusion about the use of a food such as soy, it's usually because there is a lack of " independent, " well designed, research about the effects of that food on the human body. I have chosen to consume modest amounts of " organically " derived soy products, until I've seen better research supporting or discouraging their use. - " mrsjoguest " <joguest Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:57 PM Re: Just how much soy did Asians eat? > Actually there are conflicting views on this. Julia Childs and others > have successfully used Soy to counteract and reverse breast cancer. > It takes up the estrogen receptor sites keeping the more harmful > forms of estrogen from occupying those sites. > Possibly you are speaking of the GMO soy which is definitely very > harmful! One has to be careful of the source as always! > JoAnn Guest > joguest > Friendsforhealthnaturally > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html > > > Marty Landman <marty@f...> wrote: > > At 05:28 AM 1/6/02 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >I made a blanket statement that no food caused cancer but there is > > >evidence that soy certainly can enable breast and prostate cancer. > > > > Ron, > > > > Can you give more info on this please? I have a very particular > concern. My > > almost 5 yr old son is thriving on a gluten and casein free diet, > and soy > > milk has become a staple for him. I can't even begin to think of > what would > > be a suitable substitute for him but if the soy is no good then I > guess > > we'll have to be creative... somehow. > > > > Also I understand that soy milk is a progesterone agonist? Is this > true? > > Could it help explain a link to breast cancer? > > > > Marty > > > > Website Creation Made SIMPL > > http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml > > WebSafe Color Picker -- http://face2interface.com/WebSafe > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Why? Ron John prolifornio wrote: I have chosen to consume modest amounts of " organically " derived soy products _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 --- Morning John, With so many conflicting statements out regarding soy and it's use, seems that would be the wise thing to do. Many of the arguments against soy and soy-based foods will invariably state that these ill- effects come with overuse (overconsumption) of soy. I think my body craves the beneficial isoflavones. I don't seem to have any problem with it. Very handy as a milk substitute in cooking although I do believe one must be very careful to avoid any additives. We need to be aware that much of the soymilk contains the food additive " carrageenan " ,listed in Elaine's article as being basically a harmful GMO product. The isoflavones and phytoestrogens (plant estrogens)in Genetically Engineered soy could very well contribute to breast cancer, but I don't see it as problematic with the GMO free brands as plant estrogens are much weaker forms of estrogen. The isoflavones tie up the estrogen receptor sites preventing more harmful forms of estrogen (toxins in meat and dairy)from attaching themselves. In this way it actually prevents breast cancer from ever occurring. Just my two cents there! :-) JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Womantowoman.html " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > When there's this much confusion about the use of a food such as soy, it's > usually because there is a lack of " independent, " well designed, research > about the effects of that food on the human body. > I have chosen to consume modest amounts of " organically " derived soy > products, until I've seen better research supporting or discouraging their > use. > - > " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> > <Gettingwell> > Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:57 PM > Re: Just how much soy did Asians eat? > > > > Actually there are conflicting views on this. Julia Childs and others > > have successfully used Soy to counteract and reverse breast cancer. > > It takes up the estrogen receptor sites keeping the more harmful > > forms of estrogen from occupying those sites. > > Possibly you are speaking of the GMO soy which is definitely very > > harmful! One has to be careful of the source as always! > > JoAnn Guest > > joguest@m... > > Friendsforhealthnaturally > > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html > > > > > > Marty Landman <marty@f...> wrote: > > > At 05:28 AM 1/6/02 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > >I made a blanket statement that no food caused cancer but there is > > > >evidence that soy certainly can enable breast and prostate cancer. > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > Can you give more info on this please? I have a very particular > > concern. My > > > almost 5 yr old son is thriving on a gluten and casein free diet, > > and soy > > > milk has become a staple for him. I can't even begin to think of > > what would > > > be a suitable substitute for him but if the soy is no good then I > > guess > > > we'll have to be creative... somehow. > > > > > > Also I understand that soy milk is a progesterone agonist? Is this > > true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Same. In fact I feel better hormone wise since I have been having 1/2 cup soy milk (organic) each day in my rice cereal from breakfast. Tracy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 ---We have to go with what works, don't we? The MD(male) needs to have ONE hot flash,hmmm, then they might try it too. Anyone who's ever experienced these symptoms knows that soy is an excellent panacea.:-) My menopausal symptoms disappeared in a flash after starting on soy. Just a few small glasses a day do the trick usually. " Nick Grant " <nwgrant@i...> wrote: > Same. In fact I feel better hormone wise since I have been having 1/2 cup > soy milk (organic) each day in my rice cereal from breakfast. > > Tracy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 Because, as I implied in my post, there doesn't appear to be " conclusive " evidence that soy ought to be avoided, at all times, regardless of amount/dose, or the individual's unique medical and nutritional profile and needs. Soy is believed to have positive value in helping people with cardio-vascular disease, and has certainly been cited for its anti-cancer properties. It's also " not " dairy, which it replaces for many people, including myself. I don't seem to digest soy-milk particularly well, but cow's milk completely destroys my digestion. - " the desert_rat " <ron Friday, January 11, 2002 5:01 PM Re: Re: Just how much soy did Asians eat? > Why? > Ron > > John prolifornio wrote: > I have chosen to consume modest amounts of " organically " derived soy > products > _____________ > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > http://www.mail2world.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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