[aromaexchange] Phobias

[Guest guest]

At 02:16 15-11-1999 , you wrote:

>Changes Within <changes

>

>Hi Bruce and Other List Buds!

 

It would be a big task to deal fully with NLP - I would be happy to feed in

a bit at a time if there is some demand. One question was: Would you please

explain " representational systems? [below]

 

>Mostly the work has involved V

>>(visual), A (auditory) and K (kinesthetic). K either includes or ignores

>>(depending on contest) the two other senses which are named olfactory and

>>gustatory, so the fuller picture is VAKOG. Olfactory is the only one which

>>connects directly with the reptilian brain without being intercepted and

>>processed by another of the body's systems, hence its potential, and

>>efficacy already as aromatherapists know.

>

>Susan Renkel, RN/Changes Within

 

The paragraph beginning " Mostly... " gives some access. Essentially, we

process and record external stimuli using one of our 5 senses (the " sixth

sense " is probably the workings of the unconscious mind processing the data

received by the other five).

 

It is " as if " each of us has a preferred channel or " modality " which

doesn't exclude the others, so some people are " visual " , others " auditory "

and still others are " kinesthetic " . That channel is not always to the fore.

Also we tend to have a " lead " channel for first impressions, a main

( " primary " ) channel for operatiion and a " referential " or checking channel,

and they can be different. Visual is perhaps the easiest to understand.

Most of us can make pictures in our head, and this is the form in which a

lot of memory is stored or rather recalled. An example of how NLP works is

changing the characteristics ( " submodalities " ) of a particular picture so

that it has a different meaning for us. Some picture memories have

associated sounds or smells etc. The reverse may be true in that a

particular smell may trigger off V or K memories. This *could* be part of

the way aromatherapy works.

 

O and G often are often absent from memories of particular events unless

there is a relevant context e.g. a wine tasting evening, and this may be

why they are comparatively neglected so far.

[Guest guest]

At 09:42 15-11-1999 , you wrote:

>MLMTRUTH1

>

>I would exercise caution regarding hypnotherapy-----

>The standard length of time for " certification " is weeks

>rather than the years it takes to become a decent " Shrink "

>

>The " certification " process for hypnotherapy

>can be very questionable. And vary greatly

>from " school " to " school. "

>

>An aquaintance of mine attended a two weekend " training " and

>now calls himself a " Board Certified Hypnotherapist " !!

>Give me a break!!

>

 

Thanks for the input. I share the caveat, which is why I suggested

experience as well as training.

 

I would think one could learn a lot about how to induce hypnosis in 14

days. It is a powerful tool, and what is far more important is knowing how,

when, and when not to use the tool so that unwelcome side effects do not

occur. Comparison with psychiatry is not in my opinion a fair one.

 

Advanced NLP training emphasises " ecology " , which is akin to ethical use of

the powerful tools.

 

One of my training colleagues in NLP is already a qualified hypnotherapist,

and intuitively I have the greatest repect for him, his skill and the use

he puts it to.

 

Regards

 

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

As a Hypnotherapist I'd like to address the note below. Yes, there are many

weekend certifications programs out there and I personally do not advocate any

of those. Sad to say I've found many licensed counselors going to precisely

those kinds of schools of Hypnosis because they think it is something you can

breeze through. NOT! They also do it because they think it will benefit their

practices. I've seen those who even advertise that they do Hypnosis, but when

you ask their clients if they actually take the time to use this tool the client

may tell you that the counselor doesn't do it because it takes too long. What

takes too long? The Hypnosis or the long drawn out cognitive therapy? The

study of the inner mind is not addressed well in 'normal' courses of psychology

because the inner mind is not tangible. Most of our western educational systems

are based on only what we can experience through our senses. If " it " is

tangible then we study the daylights out of 'it'. If 'it' is intangible then we

make fun of it or just pass it off as unimportant.

 

My Hypnotherapy training was over 1 year and was in the 2nd best school

available, currently. One of the best is the St. Johns University in New

Orleans as it is not only a certification program but also a degree program. I

took my course work at Hypnosis Motivation Institute here in So. California.

Most of my real education came in these 10+ years since leaving that group.

I've had to learn a lot on my own, which is typical in any career that is

considered an avocation. Just as it takes years to become a decent " Shrink " so

does it take years to become a decent Hypnotherapist. Difference here is that

the Hypnotherapist has to work a whole lot harder to make a living at what they

love to do. They also give of themselves and their talents a whole lot more

graciously, rarely keeping to the 50 minute hour.

 

If I took this out of context, please forgive me. I do humbly apologize.

Hypnotherapy, as any other class of alternative healing modality, is perfect

adjunct to everything from Allopathic Medicine, Naturopathic Medicine,

Homeopathic Medicine, Aromatherapy, Color Therapy, Music Therapy, Physical

Therapy, etc...... I for one look forward to more people learning that the

first power anyone holds is the power of their own minds.

 

Blessings to you and yours in all ways,

 

Lynn

[Guest guest]

At 09:06 PM 11/15/99 -0800, you wrote:

> " Lynn Bedri " <lbedri

>Hypnotherapy, as any other class of alternative healing modality, is perfect

>adjunct to everything from Allopathic Medicine, Naturopathic Medicine,

>Homeopathic Medicine, Aromatherapy, Color Therapy, Music Therapy, Physical

>Therapy, etc......

 

I totally agree!!! (and let us not forget *self* hypnosis)

 

I for one look forward to more people learning that the

>first power anyone holds is the power of their own minds.

>

WOW .. Well now, THAT says it all. I'm with you all the way!!

 

Wishing you all the healing power ... that comes from within.

Susan R.

Changes Within

[Guest guest]

Lynn, I have to agree with you. The certification course I took here in

northern California was 18 months long. NLP was included. I studied at

Transformative Arts Institute. The medical professionals - those who

have medical credentials - are only required to take a weekend course of

20 hours. I have personnaly worked to 'repair damage' that the 20 hour

course graduates have done to clients who 'come' my way. My teachers

told the class that the session takes as long as it takes - sometimes in

as little time as 5 minutes, others lasting for almost an hour or

longer. The time of the session is determined by the process going on.

To interrupt process is to trash another's Sacred Space.

 

The time constraint and the modern medical model does not take into

account a person's Sacred Space. In order for real change to take place

the person must feel safe and that they are heard. As Lynn stated she

has learned more in the years of practice than could be addressed in the

classroom.

 

Sorry folks, did not mean to hit the soap box. This is just a sore

point.

 

Wado

Linda

[Guest guest]

Dear Linda,

 

Thank you for stating this so beautifully. I began to comment on your thoughts

(as support and then some) when I realized that I would clearly be on a tangent

that most folks don't need. I love what I do. I love the people I've been

privileged to work with, who have allowed me into their Sacred Space. My

sessions have rarely ever been an hour. Most of the time it's 2 hours and

sometimes more, depending on what is needed at that time. A very dear MD friend

of our family told me when I was very young and wanting to know why he didn't

have an answer for me right then (he was the Doctor you know!), " Lynn, I'm

just a doctor, I'm not God. I'm only practicing medicine, I don't have all the

answers. " For whatever reason, my mind took a flash picture of that moment and

I've been fortunate to never forget that.

 

Linda, thanks.

 

Lynn

 

Linda Partsch [linpart]

Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:30 AM

 

Re: [AX] RE: [aromaexchange] Phobias

 

Linda Partsch <linpart

 

Lynn, I have to agree with you. The certification course I took here in

northern California was 18 months long. NLP was included. I studied at

Transformative Arts Institute. The medical professionals - those who

have medical credentials - are only required to take a weekend course of

20 hours. I have personnaly worked to 'repair damage' that the 20 hour

course graduates have done to clients who 'come' my way. My teachers

told the class that the session takes as long as it takes - sometimes in

as little time as 5 minutes, others lasting for almost an hour or

longer. The time of the session is determined by the process going on.

To interrupt process is to trash another's Sacred Space.

 

The time constraint and the modern medical model does not take into

account a person's Sacred Space. In order for real change to take place

the person must feel safe and that they are heard. As Lynn stated she

has learned more in the years of practice than could be addressed in the

classroom.

 

Sorry folks, did not mean to hit the soap box. This is just a sore

point.

 

Wado

Linda