spermatogenesis please help

[Guest guest]

Dear all

Have a nice day.

I need some thing from dr.shirish bhate, SM Acharya, Dr.Venu Gopal,

and Todd about remedy for oligospermia and azoospermia.

 

Regards

Hkm.UBAID

 

 

 

ayurveda , " hakimvision " <hakimvision

wrote:

 

> Is there any drug which enhances spermatogenesis? I have some

patients

> who are suffering from oligospermia and one is suffering from

> azoospermia.

[Guest guest]

Dear Hkm Ubaid

 

If your patient is ready to take a 100% herbal, even " untouched by

Vaidya " medicine for 6-9 months, ask him to take aloe vera pulp for 6-

9 months, everyday morning empty stomach with a little turmeric

powder and saindhav salt. He has to keep the plant in his house,

exposed to sunlight, preferably in morning. If he can keep it in

terrace, where it can get sunlight for all daylight hours, it is

better.

 

One case history is recently posted by this author at

http://health.ayurveda/message/9158

 

You may try this for a patient with azoospermia also. The use of aloe

vera for various reproductive problems (Ovarian cysts, fibroids, PMS,

scanty menses, irregular menses, PCOS, oligospermia ) was mentioned

by Acharya Bhavprakash about 700 years ago. He must have been

considerably advanced vaidya at that time, since it is believed that

pulse diagnosis originator is him.

 

The foods which should be taken by such patients are recommended at

http://health.ayurveda/message/9211

 

UNpolished rice, when used in the form of its payasam in milk is a

sperm booster food. So is aswagandha ksheer park, made as a payasam

in milk. Powders of Aswagandha, Kouncha, Satawari, Vidarikand, when

taken with milk, ghee or honey are also sperm boosters.

Saffron, mixed in these powder+milk preoparations further enhances

their sperm boosting power.

 

Aswagandha, Shatavari, Kouncha, Gokharu, Vidarikand. Take all these

in equal proportion and powder them together. Take 3-6 gram with milk

twice a day. You get better effect if you add milk+water+powder and

boil till water part evaporates making it ksheerpak. You may add

Khadisakkar and cadamom for making it cooling medicine, or add

saffron for enhancing sperms further. Kauncha multiplies sperm count

and makes semen more consistent/dense. It is an exceptional poisonous

plant which multiplies sperm count. In nature, most poisons kill

reproductive power of a living animal/human.

 

another preparation is here:

Jaiphal, Javantri, Cinamon, Cloves, Cardamom, Akkalkara,

Ginger powder; take one tsp of this equal proportion mixture in 1 cup

of milk+1cup water and boil slow till water part evaporates. Add

almonds, pistachio, saffron, a little sugar while

boiling.

 

Please note that milk required in these preparations is Indian cow

milk, not jersey cow milk! Best if you can get it freshly milked cow,

raw, as whole success depends on the cow milk. Without cow milk, the

powders can be taken with ghee+khadisakkar, but then the efficacy

goes down to nearly 30% since ghee from indian cow is not available

to ordinary, most of it goes to make medicines. we get in market only

jersey cow ghee.

 

 

 

ayurveda , " hakimvision "

<hakimvision wrote:

> I need some thing from dr.shirish bhate, SM Acharya, Dr.Venu Gopal,

> and Todd about remedy for oligospermia and azoospermia.

>

> > Is there any drug which enhances spermatogenesis? I have some

> patients

> > who are suffering from oligospermia and one is suffering from

> > azoospermia.

[Guest guest]

what if the milk is organic jersey milk?

What is the difference of jersey and bramhi cow milk?

If the cows are fed organically and treated with love?

In India many of the cows graxe on garbage in the city

streets so their milk would not be as good as those

who are raised in gokula - I have had the milk in

gokula and it had ghee on top of it when we boiled it!

It was like drinking amrit it was so delicious - I can

see where that milk would be medicinal!

--- Shirish Bhate <shirishbhate wrote:

 

> Dear Hkm Ubaid

>

> If your patient is ready to take a 100% herbal, even

> " untouched by

> Vaidya " medicine for 6-9 months, ask him to take

> aloe vera pulp for 6-

> 9 months, everyday morning empty stomach with a

> little turmeric

> powder and saindhav salt. <snip>

[Guest guest]

It has been said on this list that it is the Jersey strain that is causing

all the problems with milk world-wide

Jane

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , mandv m <mandakiniven

wrote:

>

> what if the milk is organic jersey milk?

> What is the difference of jersey and bramhi cow milk?

> If the cows are fed organically and treated with love?

> In India many of the cows graxe on garbage in the city

> streets so their milk would not be as good as those

> who are raised in gokula - I have had the milk in

> gokula and it had ghee on top of it when we boiled it!

> It was like drinking amrit it was so delicious - I can

> see where that milk would be medicinal!

 

Thanks for giving another opportunity to this author for writing on

Indian cow, an obsession for him. The reasons for this obsession can

be noted in message 3045, where personal experiences are described.

If you use message advanced search facility using Indian Cow as keywords, you

will see 94 messages by this author. Today he tries to bring out her

importance in health once more in very brief.

 

First of all, city cows who eat all garbage are not milked, they are

only used to earn money when people feed them green grass. Some who

do not know that their urine is not very healthy, collect. But now

there are more than 10,000 Goushalas in India, where a large number

of cows relieved from Salughterhouses are being looked after. Recent

messages , 9571, 9643 bring out why Indian cow milk is so much

important for fertility. Indian cow grazes happily in sunlight,

likes sunlight. She is satvik like Tulsi and Rosemary. Common

property between Tulsi and cow is Tulsi gives little ozone in

sunlight(msg. 6242), cow dung gives it when it is getting decomposed

in manure, while cow ghee, when burnt in an oil lamp releases ozone,

though in very small quantity. Satvikata has a relation to ozone.

Ozone kills cancer tumors and so is cow urine. Difference between

Jersey cow and Indian cow, at least for children is brought out in

Messages 5161, 2214. Milk allergy or obesity is only from jersey cow

milk, not indian cow milk. There is only one condition here. for 2

years no cow milk to any baby, and if you have to give, give it in

manner described by this author; after boiling it with ginger+little

turmeric powder. This is detailed in few postings.

 

When cow grazes in sunlight, the bio-energy is stored in her spine,

along the chakras. If you slide your palm over her spine you will

realize. (message 6754) do the same thing for jersey cow and note

the difference. Jersey cow requires at least fan if A.C. is not

available. By taking her milk, most Indian women have been taking

jersey cow property: central obesity and fat deposits everywhere!

By taking blessings of Indian cows, women have avoided C-section

(3948) while fair babies were born by consuming generous quantity of

cow ghee during pregnancy, message 3948. Indian cow milk is elixir,

as explained in message 5635. Cow is an exceptional animal, holding

milk until baby is allowed to feed. Once baby starts feeding, she

can be milked easily(message 3190).

 

Satvikata of cow milk made acharyas suggest several hormonal balance

medicines in cow ghee, as they have high bio-avialbility (Msg.

7646). Even a wild lion becomes a docile cow when fed cow milk and

vegetarian food!(Msg. 7242). This is a rare experience and in the

memory of this, a big goushala of more than 1200 cows has come up

near this place. Since cow milk and also urine to some extent has a

gold compound, its contribution to chelation is well known to

acharyas. Most ayurvedic herbs loose their toxicity when treated by

cow urine, a common procedure. author feels that chelation of

mercury, arsenic, iron, lead, copper, iron, calcium etc can be

simultaneously carried out by just 10-15 ml cow urine distillate in

less than 3 months time, but under supervision of a vaidya, as

healing crisis is inevitable. Poisons do not leave so easily!

Panchgavya medicines made from cow urine are now available in most

cities of India, and are being used even in Bangalore, Chennai,

Hyderabad.

 

Would you still praise Jersey cow? She is milk machine, most

efficient when kept in A.C., given GM grain, leftover fat from

slaughterhouses, oxytocin injections and wide spectrum anti-biotics.

She has no opportunity for grazing, as she cant susain tropical

temperatures. In India, farmers who keep her provide fans at least.

Perhaps in cold climates her milk may be suitable, but then what you

get is Industrial milk, plus consider pasteurization,

homogenization, higher casein content, allergies...

 

There exist many books on cow but few on other animals. Some

scientific info on love4cow.com

 

If you start loving cows, you will start loving most dangerous human

animal too!

[Guest guest]

you did not answer my question.

I live in Canada so we do not have bramhi cows here.

WE do have organic dairies though where cows graze

outside and eat gras.

the milk of these cows is different than what wwe get

commercially.

Are you telling me that we should just not evenuse

organic milk if we do not live in India?

I do not beleive that jersey milk if it is organic and

comes from normal, healthy cows would be harmful if

used medicinely.

I am asking about organic milk, not commercial milk.

I have seen cows graxing in front of my home in

hyderabad when I lived there - the ate garbage and the

dudh wala sold their milk - I saw it first hand - it

does get consumed in cities - the cows are owned by

milk men and they sell their milk - they are not wild

cows they are used by their owners for milk

production.

When you are taling about organic milk from bramhi

cows or jersey cows is there still a difference?

If we can only get organic jeersey milk because we

live abroad should we forget milk altogether?

Even if we are getting the milk fresh from the jersey

cow who has not been bred as a milk machine?

I would love to have Todd comment here as well!

--- Shirish Bhate <shirishbhate wrote:

 

> ayurveda , mandv m

> <mandakiniven

> wrote:

> >

> > what if the milk is organic jersey milk?

> > What is the difference of jersey and bramhi cow

> milk?

> > If the cows are fed organically and treated with

> love?

> > In India many of the cows graxe on garbage in the

> city

> > streets so their milk would not be as good as

> those

> > who are raised in gokula - I have had the milk in

> > gokula and it had ghee on top of it when we boiled

> it!

> > It was like drinking amrit it was so delicious - I

> can

> > see where that milk would be medicinal!

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Dr Bhate, Learned a lot from your detailed mail. In US, they

advertise for milk in TV saying " California cows are happy cows " -

and if you see the photos shown, you'll feel so sad... cows here

are given very strong harmone shots, for getting enormous amount of

milk and whatever other reasons! So, they look so very fat, inert

and sad indeed! Cow being our Goddess, I have been in tears,

looking at such ads. But I hear lately that in India also, they

have started to give harmonal shots for cows, which sounded awful to

me, though I don't know how far it is true.

 

My little girl is found to have lactose intolerance here...Even if

she takes whole milk one time, she gets severe stomach pain. So, she

is on soy milk. when we visit India, she is able to tolerate fresh

milk reasonably well. And when my parents visited me, they could

tolerate this processed milk only when they mixed almost equal

amount of water with milk.

 

Regards,

Amrutha

[Guest guest]

I don't want to get on a Cow fetish, but you say you are in tears when you see

cows in our ads, happy cows etc. but are you also in tears over the cows eating

garbage and dying of plastics in their digestive system.

 

I revere the cow in all cultures and don't agree with hormone injections or the

like, but as I spend a great deal of time in India as well, I am appalled that

the Cow being our goddess, is treated like a street animal and not cared for in

the least in India. Maybe no hormones given by humans, but how do you feel about

drinking garbage fed milk in India?

 

Sorry.. i just get a bit irritated that there is such a negative connotation of

cows in America when I didn't see better standards in India..

 

Off my soap box.. sorry..

 

 

amrutha_naveen <amrutha_naveen

Dr Bhate, Learned a lot from your detailed mail. In US, they

 

advertise for milk in TV saying " California cows are happy cows " -

 

and if you see the photos shown, you'll feel so sad...<snip>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr.Shirish Bhate

Have a nice day.

Thanks lot to give so nice response.

I have one doubt about your suggestion, so please clear it I will

further thankful to you.

According to our Unani medicine aloe Vera, turmeric powder and

Saindhav salt the three are hot especially aloe Vera has very much

heat producing property. If a person tries to use it he may suffer

from itching, hypertension and other skin problems. Please tell me

what you think about this opinion.

I will wait for your response.

Regards

Hkm.UBAID

 

ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

> If your patient is ready to take a 100% herbal, even " untouched by

> Vaidya " medicine for 6-9 months, ask him to take aloe vera pulp

for 6-

> 9 months, everyday morning empty stomach with a little turmeric

> powder and saindhav salt. <snip>

[Guest guest]

> Re: spermatogenesis please help

> Posted by: " Jane MacRoss " HIGHFIELD janemacross

> Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:17 am (PST)

>

> It has been said on this list that it is the Jersey strain that is

> causing

> all the problems with milk world-wide

> Jane

 

 

this is a matter of conjecture with no evidence to back it up

just because something is " indian " does it _really_ make it better?

 

let us see the evidence of a patient with a diagnosed pre-existing

milk allergy tolerating brahmi cow milk over an extended period of time

 

bottom line is that a good portion of milk issues probably relate to

the industrial product, like everything else

if the cow is healthy and the milk is raw and fresh its likely to be

better tolerated

unfortunately this product is actually illegal in countries like

canada, and thus for all intent and purposes the product doesn't exist

 

unfortunately, people on this list hearing the recommendations around

milk are lulled into the belief that they can consume it without

consequence, even if its an " organic " industrial product

 

another important clarification is that most milk in the west

actually comes from larger high-yield black/white holsteins, not the

much smaller brown jerseys

Caldecott

todd

www.toddcaldecott.com

[Guest guest]

Ofcourse I feel awful to hear of cows dying of plastics in their

digestive system, which I am just hearing about from your mail.... I

didn't follow the whole thread on this topic. I just read Dr

Shirish's email & replied his mail.

 

And I just want to clarify that my statement was not to offend any

one/country personally. My very statement in previous mail is the

proof for that...where I stated,

 

" I hear lately that cows in India are also given harmone shots for

more milk, WHICH I FEEL AWFUL ABOUT, though I don't know how far it

is true " ..... This tells clearly that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO /

WHICH COUNTRY PEOPLE DO IT, IT IS A BAD THING!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE

I AM ONE OF THE PERSONS WHO SEE COW AS A GODDESS!

 

FYI, Anytime (EVEN NOW, ME & ANY OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS), in my

hometown (which is neither a village nor a city), whenever a cow

walks on our street, we invite her to our house, offer bananas,

fresh banana leaves, rice water etc & we feel so blessed for the

amount of minutes she happens to spend in front of our house, as if

Goddess visited our house. When we buy new homes, SHE is the first

one to enter our new house with her caugh, with tons of prayers

being chanted by priests..... We worship her, celebrate her

presence, do pooja (prayers) for her every single year, decorating

her, cooking many special items for her, feeding her etc. She is

THAT important to us. The list of things we do for her is endless.

 

So, it is very natural for a person like me to be in tears to hear

of cow being ignored by being fed garbage/ plastic etc. (or) given

harmone shots to make it as a milk machine / kill her and eat her

meat etc etc, no matter who does it.

 

I don't find anything wrong in what I mentioned & hope you can

please understand that. No statement was intended to irritate

anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. It is just to share my feelings

with the group & I bet there would be many many such people, having

similar feeling like mine.

 

In India, atleast in villages for sure, when people do business out

of cow milk, they DO take great care by feeding good food and paying

good respect to her. Indeed those who don't do it, THEY ARE NOT

SUPPOSED TO IGNORE HER!! I HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED / CAN NEVER SUPPORT

the point of cows being ignored or illtreated, ANYWHERE, at any cost!

 

Thanks,

Amrutha

 

 

 

ayurveda , Kimberly Curley

<timelessremedies wrote:

>

> I don't want to get on a Cow fetish, but you say you are in tears

when you see cows in our ads, happy cows etc. but are you also in

tears over the cows eating garbage and dying of plastics in their

digestive system.

>

> I revere the cow in all cultures and don't agree with hormone

injections or the like, but as I spend a great deal of time in India

as well, I am appalled that the Cow being our goddess, is treated

like a street animal and not cared for in the least in India. Maybe

no hormones given by humans, but how do you feel about drinking

garbage fed milk in India?

>

> Sorry.. i just get a bit irritated that there is such a negative

connotation of cows in America when I didn't see better standards in

India..

>

> Off my soap box.. sorry..

[Guest guest]

sory for interfeareang in your conversation.

aloe vera is bitter, reducing pitta, so all the pitta sympthoms u described

will be reduced by it. actually it is used succesfully in ulcer or skin-burn.

how about the testosteron plants like trigonella foenum grecum, smilax or plants

like aswagandha wich is making sukra dhatu grow (it will also purify it)?

 

 

 

hakimvision <hakimvision

I have one doubt about your suggestion, so please clear it I will

further thankful to you.

According to our Unani medicine aloe Vera, turmeric powder and

Saindhav salt the three are hot especially aloe Vera has very much

heat producing property. If a person tries to use it he may suffer

from itching, hypertension and other skin problems. Please tell me

what you think about this opinion.

[Guest guest]

what do u know about " organic " milk? is it safe?

there r people injecting cows not with hormons but with antibiotics to grow

faster. the cows r genetically " selected " for productivity and the breeding is

inside the same populatiuon for generation, so no healthy variation of genes....

[Guest guest]

Dear Hkm Ubaid

 

The doubts described by you will always arise, since in this case

diagnosis oligospermia/azoospermia is done by one science, patient

approaches practitioner of another scinece (Unani), who wishes to

find some remedy in another science (Ayurveda). Three different

philosphies, but patient is only one. While every patient is uniquely

distinct, Vaidya has to evaluate general observations such as " hot "

medicine, since patients welfare is the uppermost in the mind.

 

YOu may find that most " sex " related medicines are " hot " and require

to be taken in honey, ghee+sugar, Chousat Prahari Pipar " , otherwise

at least Audumbar churna..A " Siddha " vaidya says take it with a ripe

banana if you cant afford other heat-suppressor anupana.

 

When there is doubt, leave the medicine. aswagandha, shatawari,

vidarikand, kauncha, gokharu are equally powerful herbs for this

purpose and so are foods recommneded in earlier posts. Mango season

has come, a unique fruit, if ripeened fully, can be taken with milk

to boost sperms! Hence cost of the mango is also touching the sky.

 

There are specific fresh swaras type medicines also, but obtaining

them is not easy. e.g. sap of Banyan fresh tender roots.

 

suffering such as itching, hypertension, skin rashes are nothing but

healing crisis, which many herbs cause, as they tend to purify the

body, driving out toxins through the skin, which is our second

kidney. They should be allowed to clean the body, taking care of

itching by applying fast itch relief oils.. But as Todd said, detoxification is

the first priority, a detoxified body is sativik, and satvik state is fertile

too.

 

 

 

ayurveda , " hakimvision "

<hakimvision wrote:

> I have one doubt about your suggestion, so please clear it I will

> further thankful to you.

> According to our Unani medicine aloe Vera, turmeric powder and

> Saindhav salt the three are hot especially aloe Vera has very much

> heat producing property. If a person tries to use it he may suffer

> from itching, hypertension and other skin problems. Please tell me

> what you think about this opinion.

[Guest guest]

> spermatogenesis please help

> Posted by: " hakimvision " hakimvision hakimvision

> Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:20 am (PST)

>

> Dear all

> Have a nice day.

> I need some thing from dr.shirish bhate, SM Acharya, Dr.Venu Gopal,

> and Todd about remedy for oligospermia and azoospermia.

>

> Regards

> Hkm.UBAID

 

dear hkm ubaid

 

there are many fertility enhancing medications out there - i am

familiar with many, but the best approach is a healthy, balanced

lifestyle

adequate sleep, nutritious clean food, proper elimination, avoidance

of vice and good sexual health are all important factors

ALL of the cases of male infertility i have seen are in one way or

another related to the above criteria

 

generally, i think that the general decline in male fertility is a

direct result of industrial poisons called xenoestrogens, primarily

from petrochemical based pesticides, plastics, fuels etc. introduced

into the environment - in my opinion this also largely underlies the

relatively recent increase in reproductive cancers, such as prostate

and breast

 

thus, an important approach is detoxification, following treatment

with vajikarana herbs such as ashwagandha, kapikachu, ginseng,

epimedium and sarsaparilla

 

other than this, the causes of both can relate to a physical

obstruction, particularly if FSH levels and testicle size are normal

 

best... todd

Caldecott

todd

www.toddcaldecott.com

[Guest guest]

Yes, I was surprised that Jerseys were recieving bad *press* here.

According to most sources I've read, Jerseys (organic) are preferred, and

it's the mass-produced Holstein milk that's recieving the critical reports

in the west (usa, anyway) - and mostly because of the antibiotics-hormones.

 

Personally, I'm glad to have eliminated all animal milk from my life,

organic, Holstein, or any other country's animal milk or not. I don't think

that it's near as natural and healthy to drink any animal's milk as so many

seem to be raised to believe, as we are simply not those animals -

everything that runs through that that animals body could easily ends up in

ours. It gets to be a kind of repulsive concept when you get to really

thinking about it. (Especially if you're buying mass produced milk).

 

Some animal milk occassionally might be a bit more healthy, really, than

constant exposure to it. I've found nut milks to be far superior for me,

anyway.

 

Always glad to see your posts, Todd. Thanks for the info. you post.

 

J

 

 

 

-

" Todd Caldecott " <todd

>

>

> this is a matter of conjecture with no evidence to back it up

> just because something is " indian " does it _really_ make it better?

>

> let us see the evidence of a patient with a diagnosed pre-existing

> milk allergy tolerating brahmi cow milk over an extended period of time

>

> bottom line is that a good portion of milk issues probably relate to

> the industrial product, like everything else

> if the cow is healthy and the milk is raw and fresh its likely to be

> better tolerated

<snip>

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , mandv m <mandakiniven

wrote:

>

> you did not answer my question.

> I live in Canada so we do not have bramhi cows here.

> WE do have organic dairies though where cows graze

> outside and eat gras.

> the milk of these cows is different than what we get

> commercially.

> Are you telling me that we should just not evenuse

> organic milk if we do not live in India?

 

If you are getting the organic fed cow milk, it will be good, but you

should have ability to digest it, which you get if you had mothers

milk up to age about 2 years. Cow milk will be healthy to the extent

the " health " quality carried by cow. this statement will be clear in

next part of this post.

 

> When you are taling about organic milk from bramhi

> cows or jersey cows is there still a difference?

> If we can only get organic jeersey milk because we

> live abroad should we forget milk altogether?

 

The difference in the milk of these cows comes from their genes.

Indian cow is Brahman cow, with a distinct " shiva lingam " like hump on the

backside of her neck. There are nearly 18 varieties whose photos you can see at

love4cows.com.

 

Cows wold over whether jersey or Brahaman, despite their huge size,

they are known as a docile breed, if handled with kindness from

calfhood. The difference in their milk will be in fat or

protein contenet. That is not a central issue, but central issue is

the " health " or immunity giving contenets, e.g. " Aurium Hydroxide " in milk. That

is higher in Brahman cow, and her fat+protein is less than cows found all over

rest of world. The distinct features are in Indian cow beacause warm climate,

sunlight round the year in most parts of India.

 

Brahmans have a greater ability to withstand heat than European or

Canadian cattle. They have more sweat glands and also an oily skin

thought to help repel pest. They are also more resistant to parasites

and disease. They are in great demand all over world for cross

breeding.

 

They have also been extensively cross-bred with European cattle in

subtropical United States in central America and in some tropical

areas of the world to gain their advantages in hot climates. Brahman

cattle are usually raised in the southern United States where the

climate is warmer. They have the ability to withstand heat much

better than other cattle.

[http://www.brahman.co.za/Strongpoints/crossbreeding.htm]

 

Brahman cow has the genetic trait that she does not put up obesity.

The ability of the Brahman cow to restrict the size of her calf has

been well documented.

[http://www.brahman.co.za/Strongpoints/crossbreeding.htm]

 

But when cross breeding is done, it is done with an objective of

producing a beef animal. Now the calf will grow to a higher weight at

18 months. The added fertility to native cow when cross-bred with

brahman bull is also reported. The Brahman breed was a natural for

south Florida because these cattle were adapted to hot, humid

climate, were relatively immune to ticks and most other Florida

insects, and had an inherent ability to forage on native range. Most

important, it was quickly recognized that breeding Florida native

cows with Brahman bulls greatly increased the size and weight of

weaned calves and replacement females. This is now industrial animal,

takes the weight gain property of one breed at the cost of reduced

resistance to pests and parasites. Hence needing more antibiotics.

[http://rcrec-ona.ifas.ufl.edu/PRFAR25.html]

 

Cross breeding between Brahman and Angus attempts are on in

Australiya too, to increase the health and environmental resistance

of cows.[http://www.csiro.au/news/newsletters/0512_food/story1.htm]

 

The interest of the cattle owners all over the world is due to health

and fertility of Brahman cow. Now this genetic difference surfaces in

Aurium Hydroxide in milk and Carbolic acid in urine, useful as

immunity builder and for making panchgavya medicines. When Gaushalas

in India used Jersey cow urine, they found less efficacy.

 

And let it be known that hormone shots and antibiotics are given to

jersey cows in India too, though on a reduced scale. It is the high

growth hormones of jersey cow milk which is driving obesity in

teenagers too..they need icecreams everyday! please visist:

 

http://health./message/3078

http://health./message/3251

 

Triabls keep only Indian cows and are happy to consume only a little

quantity of milk that they obtain, obesity or C-section or cancer is

is non-existant disease there. They are following hunter-gatherer's

diet there.

 

 

 

> > ayurveda , mandv m

> > <mandakiniven@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > what if the milk is organic jersey milk?

> > > What is the difference of jersey and bramhi cow

> > milk?

> > > If the cows are fed organically and treated with

> > love?

> > > In India many of the cows graxe on garbage in the

> > city

> > > streets so their milk would not be as good as

> > those

> > > who are raised in gokula - I have had the milk in

> > > gokula and it had ghee on top of it when we boiled

> > it!

> > > It was like drinking amrit it was so delicious - I

> > can

> > > see where that milk would be medicinal!

> <snip>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Amrutha,

I fully understand your sentiments and empathise with your views.

Dr. Sanjay Sharma

amrutha_naveen <amrutha_naveen wrote:

Ofcourse I feel awful to hear of cows dying of plastics in their

digestive system, which I am just hearing about from your mail.... I

didn't follow the whole thread on this topic. I just read Dr

Shirish's email & replied his mail.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

If the milk is organi, fresh from the cow is any breed higher than another?

 

To me, the cow should be sacred regardless of the breed.

If the cow is unadulterated by antibiotics and hormones, can it not give good

milk - medicinal milk?

 

I would say that lactose intolereance may be rare, but what people are allergic

to or what causes digestive issues with milk is the way it is processed, the

hormones and antibiotics given to cows and the way it is consumed.

 

First, Milk is meant to be boiled not consumed cold. I have seen many mother's

who give their babies cold milk and next thing you know, they are on soy milk

because they are lactose intolerant.

 

I have also known children who discovered that they were allergic to the

chemicals used to wash the machines in the milk plant not the milk itself.

 

Ayurveda refers to milk from gokuls as medicinal and anything other than that

just loses its value through packaging and processing.

If we get the milk fresh from a jersey cow who has grazed in a field and has had

no hormone injections, then is it not the same as getting the milk from a bramhi

cow who has been treated the same way or a Holstein cow?

 

As long as the animal is treated with dignity, eats good food and is not changed

to suit man's greed won't she produce medicinal milk?

Can we say that only Indian cows are sacred?

 

I would say that cows who are not altered - who are not bred or medicated to

become milk machines all have the same ability to nourish and heal us.

 

Is it mentioned anywhere in our sacred texts that the bramhi breed is the only

one's milk to be used?

 

I would be itnerested to know this.

Caldecott <todd wrote:

 

> Posted by: " Jane MacRoss " HIGHFIELD janemacross

> It has been said on this list that it is the Jersey strain that is causing

all the problems with milk world-wide

 

 

this is a matter of conjecture with no evidence to back it up

just because something is " indian " does it _really_ make it better?

 

let us see the evidence of a patient with a diagnosed pre-existing

milk allergy tolerating brahmi cow milk over an extended period of time bottom

line is that a good portion of milk issues probably relate to the industrial

product, like everything else

if the cow is healthy and the milk is raw and fresh its likely to be

better tolerated

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shirish Bhate

Have a nice day.

Thanks lot for detailed response. I am giving the patient of

oligospermia, medicines which are prepared with satawar, salab

misri; kaunch, chilghoza, asgand etc and I think it will work well.

I will ask him to use ghikawar (aloe vera) after this very hot

season. I am very thankful to you for your time also. But please

tell me is there any tried medicine for azoospermia; it will help me

so much.

Regards

Hakim Ubaid

[Guest guest]

Dear Todd Caldecott

live a nice life.

thanks lot for your response.

Regards

Hakim Ubaid

 

 

ayurveda , Todd Caldecott <todd

wrote:

> there are many fertility enhancing medications out there - i am

> familiar with many, but the best approach is a healthy, balanced

> lifestyle

> adequate sleep, nutritious clean food, proper elimination,

avoidance

> of vice and good sexual health are all important factors

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[Guest guest]

> Messages

> 1a.

> Re: spermatogenesis please help

> Posted by: " mandv m " mandakiniven mandakiniven

> Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:45 am (PST)

>

> If the milk is organi, fresh from the cow is any breed higher than

> another?

>

> To me, the cow should be sacred regardless of the breed.

> If the cow is unadulterated by antibiotics and hormones, can it not

> give good milk - medicinal milk?

>

> I would say that lactose intolereance may be rare, but what people

> are allergic to or what causes digestive issues with milk is the

> way it is processed, the hormones and antibiotics given to cows and

> the way it is consumed.

 

lactose intolerance isn't rare at all, according to emedicine.com

(http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3429.htm):

 

" Frequency:

• In the US: The prevalence of primary lactose intolerance varies

according to race. As many as 25% of the white population (prevalence

in those from southern European roots) is estimated to have lactose

intolerance, while among black, Native American, and Asian American

populations, prevalence is estimated at 75-90%.

•Internationally: Of the world's population, 75% is estimated to be

lactose-deficient. Lactose intolerance is very common among Asian,

South American, and African persons "

 

the key issue about lactose is that it actually makes the gut more

permeable - in the young calf, this enhances the absorption of the

nutrients into the blood

perhaps you can see that when milk is consumed with other foods, it

increases gut permeability to these foods as well

 

this is why there are often cross-immunological intolerance with

other foods such as wheat, which is commonly consumed with milk

ideally, milk should be consumed fresh, raw and as an item unto

itself - this way there is the least chance of food intolerances/

allergies being generated

 

unfortunately this is not the case, and immunological reactions

generated from improper dietary habits have contributed to making

milk a poorly tolerated food

 

Caldecott

todd

www.toddcaldecott.com

[Guest guest]

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" Todd Caldecott " <todd

<ayurveda >

Friday, April 27, 2007 8:47 AM

<ayurveda> Re: spermatogenesis please help

 

 

Very interesting information to me.

 

After years of drinking/eating milk products, I became lactose intolerant

quite suddenly and about three months ago. It took me over two weeks to

figure out that it was milk products that was *killing* my stomach, such a

notion was so unexpected to me.

 

The intolerance went away after about three months, but I felt so much

better with nut milks overall, I've decided to stick with them.

 

I think milk occassionally or taking it the way Todd describes below makes

good sense - since I became so ill on milk, I developed a new *respect* for

it and whatever lies in it that could hurt the stomach like that (on a

scale of 1-10, it was around a 12 a few times). Good to know some of the

mechanisms as to how it can cause such severe pain and perhaps other side

effects. And, again, if people really think about milk and what it's

actually made for - such as nurturing a baby cow - just intuition and reason

might suggest that it's really not suitable for particularly indiscrimate

amounts of consumption in humans.

 

I suppose, however, there were times and places where it was a signifiant

food source and then it's taste, etc., just made it popular after that. And

there's a lot nutiritional in it, to be sure.

 

lactose intolerance isn't rare at all, according to emedicine.com

(http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3429.htm):

 

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