Low blood pressure

[Guest guest]

Best is your Celtic Sea Salt.  It's the only kind I use and I highly recommend it for you.

 

Another helpful remedy is Panther Piss (no joke )  This tends to balance your sodium and potassium levels (these two work in conjunction with each other) and will do wonders to balance the alkaline / acid ration in your body.

 

Formula is:

 

Panther Piss

1 cup of Blackstrap Molassus

1 cup of Organic Apple Cider Vinegar.

Shake and refridgerate

 

Dosage = 2 to 6 tablespoons a day

 

Much love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

 

Does anyone know if sea salt (and water) does the same thing for increasing blood supply as table salt? I used sea salt for several years. Or do I need the iodine in table salt?

 

Note for Ian: I've had a strong want for salt over the past few years, but only on foods that are usually salted, which I have not had much of since I have avoided meat these past couple of years. This sounds like another indication of the possibility of low blood pressure, doesn't it?

 

Thanks,

~Cheryl (still having some dizzy moments

[Guest guest]

> If she can get some fresh, whole milk--unpastuerized--that would be really

> good for her, too. I'm sure Doc has more to add to this, but I wanted to

say

> that I have low blood pressure (and I was mostly vegetarian), and I know

that

> more protein is necessary, and Doc's TN is great for this.

My husband and I were just discussing this last night. So what about someone

who is not vegetarian and eats plenty of protein? He is in very good health

except for the low blood pressure. Any recommendations? Patty

[Guest guest]

The reason the doctor told her that she has to eat meat is because she needs more protein; this is the same advice Doc gave me for my low blood pressure. Drinking a lot of water is a must as well. Doc's Total Nutrition is a vegetable protein, and after using it, my condition has greatly improved. Does your mother consume dairy products? If she can get some fresh, whole milk--unpastuerized--that would be really good for her, too. I'm sure Doc has more to add to this, but I wanted to say that I have low blood pressure (and I was mostly vegetarian), and I know that more protein is necessary, and Doc's TN is great for this.

 

Cheryl (who just came back from being on no mail for a long time)

 

HI i was just wondering, my mother suffers from very low blood pressure and is a vegetarian , and the doctor told her that she has to eat meat and she doesnt want to? I told her to eat soya or tofu cakes , i was wondering if u all you could give any advice ,

 

 

thank you,

 

Fahad

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/18/02 9:37:38 PM Central Daylight Time, shark007 writes:

 

 

HI i was just wondering, my mother suffers from very low blood pressure and is a vegetarian , and the doctor told her that she has to eat meat and she doesnt want to? I told her to eat soya or tofu cakes , i was wondering if u all you could give any advice ,

 

Fahad,

Will she eats eggs, raw cheese or raw butter? What about soups and stews made with meat broth?

 

Ann

[Guest guest]

> s the low blood pressure a problem for him, or not?

He just gets extremely tired. He drinks at least 60 oz. of pure water every

day, works hard and is over 50.

[Guest guest]

The doctor and M. are right that your mother needs protein in order to

remain healthy. However, I've found that raw garlic, eaten daily, works

wonders for blood pressure imbalances--low and high both. The dose I

usually recommend, and which seems to work for most people (though of

course she may need more or less depending on her individual health) is

one clove raw garlic every morning. If she can just eat it, that's what

I do; but some people need to chop it up and put it in something to kill

the burn. *lol* Best of luck to ya,

 

Sara T.

 

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:10:12 -0700 " Mountainlady " wrote:

 

> The reason the doctor told her that she has to eat meat is because

> she needs more protein; this is the same advice Doc gave me for my

> low blood pressure. Drinking a lot of water is a must as well. Doc's

> Total Nutrition is a vegetable protein, and after using it, my

> condition has greatly improved. Does your mother consume dairy

> products? If she can get some fresh, whole milk--unpastuerized--that

> would be really good for her, too. I'm sure Doc has more to add to

> this, but I wanted to say that I have low blood pressure (and I was

> mostly vegetarian), and I know that more protein is necessary, and

> Doc's TN is great for this.

>

> Cheryl (who just came back from being on no mail for a long time)

>

> HI i was just wondering, my mother suffers from very low blood

> pressure and is a vegetarian , and the doctor told her that she has

> to eat meat and she doesnt want to? I told her to eat soya or tofu

> cakes , i was wondering if u all you could give any advice ,

>

> thank you,

>

> Fahad

 

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[Guest guest]

Is the low blood pressure a problem for him, or not? What are his symptoms? Does he get dizzy? If he has no real symptoms, and it's just that the doctor told him he has low blood pressure, I wouldn't worry about it. But I'm no expert. Lots of fluids is really important. That makes sense, doesn't it? And, even though he gets plenty of protein, Doc's Total Nutrition can only make things better. <smile> It's a good health booster. Again, I'm sure Doc has more advice on this condition.

 

Cheryl

 

> If she can get some fresh, whole milk--unpastuerized--that would be really > good for her, too. I'm sure Doc has more to add to this, but I wanted to say > that I have low blood pressure (and I was mostly vegetarian), and I know that > more protein is necessary, and Doc's TN is great for this.My husband and I were just discussing this last night. So what about someone who is not vegetarian and eats plenty of protein? He is in very good health except for the low blood pressure. Any recommendations? Patty

[Guest guest]

I posted that Sheperds purse tea is for low blood

pressure when the plant is in bloom use the whole

thing except the root. My daughter did and it helped

her.

Peg

 

 

 

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Thanks Zip, he doesn't really 'exercise' although being a farmer he gets

plenty what with walking through the fields moving pipe etc. That could

possibly explain it. Patty

[Guest guest]

At 5:43 PM -0400 4/19/02, seifert925 wrote:

> > If she can get some fresh, whole milk--unpastuerized--that would be really

> > good for her, too. I'm sure Doc has more to add to this, but I wanted to

> say

> > that I have low blood pressure (and I was mostly vegetarian), and I know

> that

> > more protein is necessary, and Doc's TN is great for this.

> My husband and I were just discussing this last night. So what about someone

> who is not vegetarian and eats plenty of protein? He is in very good health

> except for the low blood pressure. Any recommendations? Patty

 

Does this person exercise a lot? If they do, their low blood pressure might

be normal.

 

When I was a ski racer in my youth, many moons ago, I ran 10 miles a day

much of it uphill. I have a resting blood pressure of 85/45 and a rest pulse

of 45.

 

One of my doctors thought I was sick. I learned later I was just really

healthy and had a larger and stronger heart which could pump serious amount

of blood so need to work less to do that.

 

Is the low blood pressure causing a problem? because high blood pressure is

the one that kills you.

 

Zip

 

The Dragonmaster

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dragonmasterzip

 

He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules.

 

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 11:37 AM -0400 4/20/02, seifert925 wrote:

> Thanks Zip, he doesn't really 'exercise' although being a farmer he gets

> plenty what with walking through the fields moving pipe etc. That could

> possibly explain it. Patty

 

No I mean really heavy aerobic exercise like I was doing.

 

Does to Low blood pressure cause a problem? Has he had his heart checked to

see if it is naturally enlarged? That is also a cause for low BP and not

such a concern.

 

Zip

 

The Dragonmaster

Heaven on Earth

 

dragonmasterzip

 

He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules.

[Guest guest]

I just swallow the whole clove of garlic. If it is big, I cut it in

2, and swallow it with water. Doc recommended to dip it in olive oil -

so the garlic is easier to get down.

 

Mar

 

herbal remedies, tv_is_a_drug@b... wrote:

However, I've found that raw garlic, eaten daily, works

> wonders for blood pressure imbalances--low and high both. The dose

I

> usually recommend, and which seems to work for most people (though

of

> course she may need more or less depending on her individual

health) is

> one clove raw garlic every morning. If she can just eat it, that's

what

> I do; but some people need to chop it up and put it in something to

kill

> the burn. *lol* Best of luck to ya,

>

> Sara T.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sofie,

 

I have had relatively low bp for my whole life. I drink water or tea sufficiently to maintain fluid volume and add salt to my food. I also (sometimes reluctantly) get myself up early enough to get a beach run in before going to work. This increases the bmr for the whole day and makes everything a bit more do-able throughout the day. Even a brisk walk or anything to get an epinephrine release for 20 or more minutes every morning makes a huge difference throughout the day.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

Sofie, Daniel, Beatrice and Anna

Chinese Medicine

Monday, October 27, 2003 11:59 AM

low blood pressure

Does anybody know what you can do to get your blood pressure up - diet wise, exercises, anything.ThanksSofieSofie, Daniel, Beatrice and Anna McBrearty-Brackein Antwerp, Belgiumsodabean Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. To change your email settings, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. To send an email to<Chinese Medicine- > from the email account you joined with. You will be removed automatically but will still recieve messages for a few days.

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I agree with the idea of adding some salt to your diet. Problem is, if you are having trouble retaining salt and fluids, you are probably having trouble retaining other minerals as well. I would think about the addition of other minerals in addition to the salt.

You may also consider strengthening your adrenals/kidneys. It is the kidneys job to sort out the mineral/water thing and if they are not doing the job, they could use some help. As the adrenals become stronger, the kidneys will do a better job of holding on the your electrolytes and water.

Just a thought,

Chris

 

In a message dated 10/27/2003 7:46:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, susegmen writes:

 

Hi Sofie,

 

I have had relatively low bp for my whole life. I drink water or tea sufficiently to maintain fluid volume and add salt to my food. I also (sometimes reluctantly) get myself up early enough to get a beach run in before going to work. This increases the bmr for the whole day and makes everything a bit more do-able throughout the day. Even a brisk walk or anything to get an epinephrine release for 20 or more minutes every morning makes a huge difference throughout the day.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

[Guest guest]

Chris, I agree. I do find tonic formulas including kidney tonics helpful. Combining kidney tonics and spleen tonics is a most helpful practice for me ... along with calming and strengthening the liver. Also potassium supplements help as the kidney must exchange sodium with potassium in order to retain sodium.

 

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

I agree with the idea of adding some salt to your diet. Problem is, if you are having trouble retaining salt and fluids, you are probably having trouble retaining other minerals as well. I would think about the addition of other minerals in addition to the salt.

You may also consider strengthening your adrenals/kidneys. It is the kidneys job to sort out the mineral/water thing and if they are not doing the job, they could use some help. As the adrenals become stronger, the kidneys will do a better job of holding on the your electrolytes and water.

Just a thought,

Chris

 

In a message dated 10/27/2003 7:46:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, susegmen writes:

 

Hi Sofie,

 

I have had relatively low bp for my whole life. I drink water or tea sufficiently to maintain fluid volume and add salt to my food. I also (sometimes reluctantly) get myself up early enough to get a beach run in before going to work. This increases the bmr for the whole day and makes everything a bit more do-able throughout the day. Even a brisk walk or anything to get an epinephrine release for 20 or more minutes every morning makes a huge difference throughout the day.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

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Don't forget about Magnesium and calcium. The lack of one or both of these

two are often involved in muscle cramps.

 

Chris

 

In a message dated 10/29/2003 6:39:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

susegmen writes:

Emmanuel,

 

Would this induce a craving for salt? Even with no obvious s & s of low kidney

Qi?

 

Pat

 

Yes, a craving for " numerous " salts make sense. Pat, I'm in a new learning

curve with regard to this. I thought I really understood my own low blood

pressure, and it's relationship to sodium and potassium. Well, I've been

crashing

over the past weekends in running events. Mostly getting cramps near the end

of events in which I was quite successful a year ago. I'm figuring out that

potassium is playing a pretty significant role along with sodium. This

weekend I'll be challenged again by a 15.5 mile Envirosports coastal hill run

through Stinson Beach and Mount Tamalpais ... thousands of feet of up and down.

Most of my friends are running the marathon event, and I plan to get finished

early to fire up the barbecue for the beach party. I'll find out if my theories

are right or wrong. The kidney needs to have potassium to exchange for sodium

otherwise it can't retain sodium. This is crucial during a long aeorobic

event with lots of water and salt loss. The chief cells of the cortical

nephrons

perform this potassium-for-sodium exchange. Normally, I think to myself, the

kidney mainly acts to excrete potassium. Sodium is gold ... it was once

equivalent to money. Of course, you don't get to keep the gold (sodium) unless

you have enough potassium around to exchange for it.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Could you explain how this might work?

Thnaks,

 

Chris

 

In a message dated 10/29/2003 7:16:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Low blood pressure may be due to Heart Qi xu,

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Pat,

 

Low blood pressure may be due to Heart Qi xu, in which case the kidneys may or

may not be involved; if not, salt craving may not appear.

 

 

 

Pat Ethridge <pat.ethridge wrote:

Emmanuel,

 

Would this induce a craving for salt? Even with no obvious s & s of low

kidney Qi?

 

Pat

 

 

 

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In a message dated 11/5/2003 5:01:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Hi Chris,

 

Sorry for the delay in responding - the fires here in San Diego disrupted

just about everything last week. I did some reading last night so I could

explain this coherently:

 

The Heart governs blood and controls the blood vessels, and is responsible

for moving the blood through them (Maciocia, Shanghai). " If Heart Qi is strong,

blood vessels will be in a good state and the pulse will be full and regular.

If Heart Qi is weak, the pulse may be feeble and irregular " (Maciocia).

 

However, the Lungs are responsible for the circulation of Qi and Blood; if

Lung Qi is strong, circulation of Qi and blood will be good, and the limbs will

be warm... if Lung Qi is weak, the Qi will not be able to push the blood, and

the limbs, particularly the hands, will be cold (Maciocia).

 

In addition, the Liver regulates blood volume, in relation to activity level

(Maciocia). Thus, when a patient has low blood pressure, The Heart, Lungs, or

Liver might be involved in the actual movement of blood. Also, if there is

blood or yin deficiency, (as with Heart blood xu or Spleen Qi xu leading to

decreased production of blood, for example), the volume of blood can be

decreased, and therefore be a contributing factor as well. Interestingly, in

the

Clinical Handbook of Internal Medicine (Maclean & Lyttleton), Gui Pi Wan is one

of

the formulas recommended for dizziness associated with hypotension, as is Bu

Zhong Yi Qi Tang.

 

Of course, as you said, Kidney yang deficiency is also a common etiology. As

always, thorough examination of the patient is the key to determining the

patterns involved in their diagnosis; in patients I have seen with low blood

pressure, several of the above patterns are typically concurrent.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

Hi Andrea,

 

Very well put. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris,

 

Sorry for the delay in responding - the fires here in San Diego disrupted just

about everything last week. I did some reading last night so I could explain

this coherently:

 

The Heart governs blood and controls the blood vessels, and is responsible for

moving the blood through them (Maciocia, Shanghai). " If Heart Qi is strong,

blood vessels will be in a good state and the pulse will be full and regular.

If Heart Qi is weak, the pulse may be feeble and irregular " (Maciocia).

 

However, the Lungs are responsible for the circulation of Qi and Blood; if Lung

Qi is strong, circulation of Qi and blood will be good, and the limbs will be

warm... if Lung Qi is weak, the Qi will not be able to push the blood, and the

limbs, particularly the hands, will be cold (Maciocia).

 

In addition, the Liver regulates blood volume, in relation to activity level

(Maciocia). Thus, when a patient has low blood pressure, The Heart, Lungs, or

Liver might be involved in the actual movement of blood. Also, if there is

blood or yin deficiency, (as with Heart blood xu or Spleen Qi xu leading to

decreased production of blood, for example), the volume of blood can be

decreased, and therefore be a contributing factor as well. Interestingly, in

the Clinical Handbook of Internal Medicine (Maclean & Lyttleton), Gui Pi Wan is

one of the formulas recommended for dizziness associated with hypotension, as is

Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang.

 

Of course, as you said, Kidney yang deficiency is also a common etiology. As

always, thorough examination of the patient is the key to determining the

patterns involved in their diagnosis; in patients I have seen with low blood

pressure, several of the above patterns are typically concurrent.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

Musiclear wrote:

Could you explain how this might work?

Thnaks,

 

Chris

 

In a message dated 10/29/2003 7:16:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Low blood pressure may be due to Heart Qi xu,

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Not always,

but can be a sign adrenal exhaustion. Cortisol helps to regulate BP. When there

is not enough, BP can drop.

 

 

With Qi,

Joshua

Rubin, OTR/L

 

You must

BE, before you DO!

-OSHO

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Vicki Weston

Friday, April 28, 2006 8:33

AM

To:

herbal_remedies

Herbal Remedies - low

blood pressure

 

 

Does anyone know what to do for low blood

pressure? I only hear about high being a problem, so always thought low

was good - disillusioned! I've been researching web-sites to find the

problems with low pressure, but is there some thing to do, or an herb to take

that would get my blood pressure into the normal range? Sometimes I get

light-headed, not too bad, though. I'm more worried about it causing poor

circulation? When I do hard work most of the day (like weeding &

tilling the garden this week) I wake up at night with a pain above my right

elbow and my arm is tingly from there on down. If I drape it over the

side of the bed circulation usually starts, but it wakes me up several times a

night. Any clues?

 

 

 

 

 

I am over weight, but have been actively working on

it. I get moderate or more exercise. I drink plenty of water.

 

 

 

 

 

Vicki

 

 

 

 

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Cayenne, my favorite way to take it is in a tincture form. GinaVicki Weston <westonvj wrote: Does anyone know what to do for low blood pressure? I only hear about high being a problem, so always thought low was good - disillusioned! I've been researching web-sites to find the problems with low pressure, but is there some thing to do, or an herb to take that would get my blood pressure into the normal range? Sometimes I get light-headed, not too bad, though. I'm more worried about it causing poor circulation? When I do hard work most of the day (like weeding & tilling the garden this week) I wake up at night with a pain above my right elbow and my arm is tingly from there on down. If I drape it over the side of the bed circulation usually starts, but it

wakes me up several times a night. Any clues? I am over weight, but have been actively working on it. I get moderate or more exercise. I drink plenty of water. Vicki Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Have a Happy and Healthy Day, Gina Kopera

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Cayenne pepper regulates blood pressure, it is good

for high, low, and even just normal!

 

--- Vicki Weston <westonvj wrote:

 

> Does anyone know what to do for low blood pressure?

> I only hear about high being a problem, so always

> thought low was good - disillusioned! I've been

> researching web-sites to find the problems with low

> pressure, but is there some thing to do, or an herb

> to take that would get my blood pressure into the

> normal range? Sometimes I get light-headed, not too

> bad, though. I'm more worried about it causing poor

> circulation? When I do hard work most of the day

> (like weeding & tilling the garden this week) I wake

> up at night with a pain above my right elbow and my

> arm is tingly from there on down. If I drape it

> over the side of the bed circulation usually starts,

> but it wakes me up several times a night. Any

> clues?

>

> I am over weight, but have been actively working

> on it. I get moderate or more exercise. I drink

> plenty of water.

>

> Vicki

>

>

>

> Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+

> countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with

Voice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I did suffer from fainting disorder, for 2 days. I thought I got it because I was doing too much.I used to know somebody who used this water fountain to still himself.I cannot really say how I increased my blood level, I would be giving bad advice.

On 4/29/06, J johns <jocelynjohns wrote:

 

Cayenne pepper regulates blood pressure, it is good

for high, low, and even just normal!

 

--- Vicki Weston <westonvj wrote:

 

> Does anyone know what to do for low blood pressure?

> I only hear about high being a problem, so always

> thought low was good - disillusioned! I've been

> researching web-sites to find the problems with low

> pressure, but is there some thing to do, or an herb

> to take that would get my blood pressure into the

> normal range? Sometimes I get light-headed, not too

> bad, though. I'm more worried about it causing poor

> circulation? When I do hard work most of the day

> (like weeding & tilling the garden this week) I wake

> up at night with a pain above my right elbow and my

> arm is tingly from there on down. If I drape it

> over the side of the bed circulation usually starts,

> but it wakes me up several times a night. Any

> clues?

>

> I am over weight, but have been actively working

> on it. I get moderate or more exercise. I drink

> plenty of water.

>

> Vicki

>

>

>

> Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+

> countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with

Voice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

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[Guest guest]

I do not know anything about low blood pressure but would happily

reccomend nettle, yes stinging nettle, it is a nutrative herb and

works well on all boby systems ie heart, lungs, kidneys etc do a

google search on it its one of the few herbs I know that has no

known toxic levels.... My mother used it to get rid of paralysis

after a minor stroke, I've used it to get rid of painfull varocise

veins in my thigh, lots of other uses but its particulary good on

the heart and blood health.....

maryanne

 

herbal remedies , " Thinking Time "

<thinking.time wrote:

>

> I did suffer from fainting disorder, for 2 days.

>

> I thought I got it because I was doing too much.

>

> I used to know somebody who used this water fountain to still

himself.

>

> I cannot really say how I increased my blood level, I would be

giving bad

> advice.

>

>

>

>

> On 4/29/06, J johns <jocelynjohns wrote:

> >

> > Cayenne pepper regulates blood pressure, it is good

> > for high, low, and even just normal!

> >

> >

> > --- Vicki Weston <westonvj wrote:

> >

> > > Does anyone know what to do for low blood pressure?

> > > I only hear about high being a problem, so always

> > > thought low was good - disillusioned! I've been

> > > researching web-sites to find the problems with low

> > > pressure, but is there some thing to do, or an herb

> > > to take that would get my blood pressure into the

> > > normal range? Sometimes I get light-headed, not too

> > > bad, though. I'm more worried about it causing poor

> > > circulation? When I do hard work most of the day

> > > (like weeding & tilling the garden this week) I wake

> > > up at night with a pain above my right elbow and my

> > > arm is tingly from there on down. If I drape it

> > > over the side of the bed circulation usually starts,

> > > but it wakes me up several times a night. Any

> > > clues?

> > >

> > > I am over weight, but have been actively working

> > > on it. I get moderate or more exercise. I drink

> > > plenty of water.

> > >

> > > Vicki

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+

> > > countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with

> > Voice.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural

> > remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and

> > to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long

> > as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any

> > person

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