Posting guidelines

[Guest guest]

, " wainwrightchurchill " <

w.churchill_1-@t...> wrote:

 

>

> If I'm interpreting the meaning of your moderation guidelines

> correctly, it seems to me that you're saying is that discussion should

> stay very focused on the practical and immediate issues pertaining to

> conducting Chinese medical treatment, and stay clear of more

> philosophical and political issues. Is this correct?

>

 

No, that is incorrect, but these issues should be shown to serve practice, not

merely offered up for their own sake. Like saying hey what do you guys think

about translation terminology; let's have a free for all. No resolution; no

clinical relevance demonstrated. It will be up to me to decide when this line

has been crossed, but I can tell you that even those who are no longer with us

felt I was shirking my role as moderator recently. So now I am back, for

better or worse. If anyone is going to decide these matters, it will be me,

executing what I believe to be the actual group consensus. When issues are

used mainly as whipping posts to strap people to and never reach any sort of

constructive resolution, the line has been crossed. I am sure about that. The

rest is much grayer. But as our supreme court said about pornography, I will

know it when I see it. So I'll do my best to continue my mission and hopefully

the bulk of you will be satisfied.

 

In the meantime, I think I proven myself more than lenient in allowing the

boundaries of CHA's mission to be stretched and this current move should be

interpreted as a tightening of the ship, not an abandonment of fundamental

principles of free discussion. Politics and education are still major issues to

me

that bear directly on herbal practice. If people want to be very black and

white about these guidelines, then you should probably lurk. a topic does not

have to bear on a case already presented. It just needs to bear on practice in

some way that is reasonably proportional to the bandwidth consumed. If

topics that are peripheral to the actual daily practice of herbology in the

minds

of most members literally consume 95% of the bandwidth, then something is

awry and a new list should be formed to siphon off the unwanted chatter.

While I have no problem with this endless periperhal discussion existing

somewhere on the internet, the silent majority of this group as well as many

more vocal did not sign up for this. And it was not always this way, despite

protestations to the contrary. for those who recently signed up and relish this

type of intercourse, I sincerely apologize for having given the misleading

appearance that this is CHA. It was not my intent and will not be the future of

the list.

 

[Guest guest]

, " wainwrightchurchill " <

w.churchill_1-@t...> wrote:

 

>

> These issues arise precisely because the profession is at a formative

> stage at the moment. My feeling is that you would probably acknowledge

> this, but don't want to get enmeshed in a range of problematic issues,

> however much they might be relevant in the larger scheme of things.

 

Wainwright

 

I actually believe, as anyone who spends time with me on a daily basis will tell

you, that much of this discussion is offtopic, boring, offensive and/or

irrelevant. I think its presumptuous for anyone to suggest that I am avoiding

contentious issues. I will continue to tackle issues like herb regulation, even

if

contentious. I was being a coward before and thus thwarting my actual goals

for CHA. If it makes my job easier to use CHA in what I consider a more

constructive way, then so be it. It really is not about contention. It really

is

about irrelevance and extremely poor behavior.

 

And the behavior thing is no small issue with me. I have always differed with

those who feel public space is the space we can all use as we please. I believe

that has been the tenor of some on this list. I believe public space is the

space

we all share and common mores thus come to bear. In my estimate, those who

believe or act as if the former view of public space is valid cannot coexist on

this forum. If the majority disapproves of individuals within a public group,

then sanction is appropriate. However I would never restrict the individual

from starting their own group, promulgating their ideas freely and taking their

chances, as PU said to the martian guy at symposium.

 

[Guest guest]

However, my plan for

CHA was that we would all learn from each other every time such questions

were asked. That we could learn from those who read chinese and those who

did research and worked in labs and specialized in this or that.

>>>>With that in mind does anybody have information on the treatment of snoring

beyond phlegm

Thanks Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

At 8:07 PM +0000 11/23/03, wrote:

> , " wainwrightchurchill " <

>w.churchill_1-@t...> wrote:

>

>>

>> These issues arise precisely because the profession is at a formative

>> stage at the moment. My feeling is that you would probably acknowledge

>> this, but don't want to get enmeshed in a range of problematic issues,

>> however much they might be relevant in the larger scheme of things.

>

>Wainwright

>

>I actually believe, as anyone who spends time with me on a daily

>basis will tell

>you, that much of this discussion is offtopic, boring, offensive and/or

>irrelevant. I think its presumptuous for anyone to suggest that I am avoiding

>contentious issues. I will continue to tackle issues like herb

>regulation, even if

>contentious. I was being a coward before and thus thwarting my actual goals

>for CHA. If it makes my job easier to use CHA in what I consider a more

>constructive way, then so be it. It really is not about contention.

>It really is

>about irrelevance and extremely poor behavior.

--

(and Wainwright),

 

I have to agree with you and express my appreciation to you for

stepping in to reclaim this space. As far as I can see, you are

saying that it is fine to discuss all the same issues that we have

been discussing, and to express the same points of view that have

been expressed, but that there are going to be guidelines about how

this will be done. Most debating forums have rules of conduct, and

there is no reason why CHA should not also. In my experience, having

codes of behavior enhances the quality and progress of debate of

problematic issues, and certainly doesn't restrict it.

 

BTW, you are quoting Wainwright, but these posts of his are not

arriving in my in-box. Are these private messages?

 

Rory

 

 

--

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Robert L. Felt " <bob@p...>

wrote:

 

>

> I am in the process of setting-up this list for Ken and Emmanuel , our recent

> banned-ditos, to continue their presence in a public forum, so if you want to

> hear what they have to say you are welcome. The mailing list is located at:

>

> http://lists.mandala-designs.com/mailman/listinfo/chinesemedicine-network

>

 

 

I am more than happy to announce this, however any cross posting from this

list to CHA is prohibited and violators will be expelled from the group. this

also includes any forwarding of personal messages written by banned

members. This decision is final and not open for discussion on this list.

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

 

Most of you are doing an excellent job in the way that

you are

writing your messages. The home page of the group shows how this

group is growing with time. THANK YOU for your interest in ayurveda and yoga and

following POSTING GUIDELINES so far. Some

of you (especially new members) still need to be reminded to

trim/delete all unnecessary lines

below your message-- please read guideline #2 below.

 

Moderating a group is a volunteer effort and takes

quite a bit of

time each day. Many moderated messages have to be

edited so that they

are more easily readable. Some are deleted because the

person is

trying to sell something or has not followed some of

the guidelines below. Due to increased number of messages, sometimes it may take

upto 24 hours for your post to appear on the website. Kindly be patient. Avoid

re-posting the messsage taking it as " LOST " .

 

We request each member to do the following:

 

1] Be courteous. Refrain from personal judgment and

argumentative comments.

 

2] In replying to a message, trim or delete all

irrelevant old lines.

[if your new message can stand alone, delete

everything below your

message. If you believe the post that you are replying

to must remain

attached for some important reason, you may leave it

attached; or,

better, leave just a line or two attached with the

writer's name.

Also, below the messages are many lines of

administrative information

that should be deleted all the way to the bottom of

the page.]

If you are replying to daily digest, leave only

relevant message or just few lines of that message.

Often, moderator has to snip a big daily digest

properly to leave only relevant reference.

 

Sending a clean message helps those who receive

" Individual Emails "

delivered to their inbox and those who receive the

" Daily Digest " of

the messages. So, please trim/delete the unnecessary

lines from your post.

 

3] If the topic changes, change the subject line to

reflect the new topic. Best way is to compose a new post by using " POST " button

on

left of group website home page. This waay a new topic gets created.

By not craeting a new post, different subjects get mixed. E.g. Low

blood pressure posts and arthritis posts are grouped by in same

topic. Often it is preferable to add a trailing word to the old

topic, e.g. Arthritis.. " ginger+turmeric remedy " . Be specific in your

subject line regarding what you are writing about. That way readers

know whether they are interested in opening the message. If you just

want to say " Thank You or well said, " it's best to send that

privately to the person. However, if you are benifitted by some

suggestions/remedies, it is better to post your experience on the list, so that

other members notice that remedy/symptom etc.

 

4] Avoid initiating off-topic (off theme of the

group)subjects. Occasionally moderators allow some posts having weak relevance

to ayurveda/Yoga, if correlation to health exists. This includes new group

announcements too, if they are alternative health related.

 

5] Avoid soliciting; delete your website URL if you

are selling on

that website. Some people have an automatic signature

that includes

a website URL. Please delete that URL before sending

your post so

that a moderator doesn't have to do it for you. If the

website is

purely educational, then occasionally the URL may be

included. Similarly, the quotes by philosophers at

trailing end of the post should be removed. But if you

feel that some quote is relevant to the post, you can

as well retain it.

 

6] Please read over your message and correct typos and

misspelled

words. Add capital letters and punctuation so that

your message can

be easily understood by the reader. Otherwise, the

moderator has to edit the post. It is better to

prepare a post in MS-Word first, run a spell/grammar

check and then copy, paste to .

 

7) Composing the post at group website, as a 'reply'

to the post allows others to know which members

replied the post and go through all of them. This

'tree' structure cant be created by when you

send the post to ayurveda or

simply reply a daily digest. If you reply to individual mail in your

inbox, then the tree structure gets created.

 

8) Since our group does not support attachments, copy

important part of attachments in main message itself.

 

9) Refrain from including material from other websites, without

acknowledging the credits. including source URL in the post will help

other members study the original citation in detail if necessary. The

advantage of including the original reference is that you are not

responsible for any flaws in the referred material.

 

10)When you receive some response to your health querry and if you

follow any recommendation, it is better to post feed back after

getting positive/negative results. This encourages member who

provided guidance. The feeling that one is useful to someone else

gives motivation for further work. You may have noted several

alternative practitioners have been offering easy to follow solutions

to several querries. Let us thank them for their time and efforts.

 

 

Moderators will appreciate your cooperation.

 

Moderators