Tonsilectomy and the ayurvedic view

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Dear members of the list:

 

Is there any alternative to tonsilectomy from the ayurvedic point of

view?. If there is and there is not, could you advise me on the

following:

a) food and medicines that can be taken during and after surgery,

b) complications of not undergoing surgery, c) in case needed

surgical favourable date or Tithi?, Please considering that, there

are not Vaidyas in this region.

 

Data: A friend of mine has A child , please check birth date below

(*) who complains about tinnitus or a sound in the ears ( on a

permanent basis), she has frequent colds.

 

Note: An emotional point is involved , since parents split.

 

 

BIRTH DETAILS

February 9, 2002

Time: 6:10:01 pm

Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 1 E 36' 00 " , 42 N 58' 00 "

Foix, France

 

I hope this are not many questions in one message, and Thanks for

your helpful advise

 

 

chaived

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My husband used to get tonsil infection every month.

He has not had one in several years now./

He stopped smoking

Stopped drinking coffee

Reduced milk intake

Started doing regular pranayama

started taking triphala and turmeric daily

started eating at regular times

stopped taking antibiotics and steamed his face when he felt a cold coming on

Massaged throat and head for two weeks with warm sesame oil containing

eucalyptus oil and then put hot cloths for half on hour on the head and throat.

This resolved a chronic problem of almost monthly infections that had been

coming up for five years.

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Is there any alternative to tonsilectomy from the ayurvedic point of

view?

[Guest guest]

thanks for your good advise, the child has not infections, of course

not smoking!, that's not the problem, I just want to know the point

of view or various points of views from " ayurvedic physitian " .

 

thanks anyway

 

chai

 

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My husband used to get tonsil infection every month.

He has not had one in several years now./

He stopped smoking <snip>

[Guest guest]

If the tonsils are not infected then it does not seem necessary to remove them

she is probably depressed.

Oil can be applied to her ears and head massage performed and she can be taking

flower essences to help her deal with the sorrow of losing her home before she

undergoes a surgery.

I would not suggest surgery for some one for anything without first trying other

things.

Frequent colds is not a reason to remove tonsils.

She need immune enhancing chyvanprash, amla, oil masage.

She needs love and attention.

I am surprised that tonsilechtomy was suggested for tinnitus.

Oil application to the ear should surely help.

Cold - immune enhancers and proper care wil help

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Is there any alternative to tonsilectomy from the ayurvedic point of

view?.

[Guest guest]

Tonsillectomy can be prevented and cured with certain modification in

life style and medical management.

Food: Avoid oily food / fatty food including cheese, curds and cold

items.... etc.

Medcine : plain salt water gargle is benificial along with Laghu

malini vasnt ras. or Talisadi chhorna+ tribhuvan kirti pills with

honey. For further details mail me to " drkarthikpandit "

[Guest guest]

Dear drkarthikpandit:

 

Thanks for offering your views, I don't have your private email,

please feel free to post your views in this thread , I'm sure there

are many silent readears interested in this subject.

 

REMARKS: 1)This child has only a permanent sound in her ears

apparently a form of tinitus, not related to past infections, no

present infections on the area including troat.

2) For your evaluation. I practice ayurveda since 1975, I'm a

regular yoga practitioner and a vedic supporter and currently Iam a

jyotish student of Pandit Sanjay Rath.

 

thanks again for your views and helpfull advice.

 

 

Namaskar

 

chaived

 

 

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Medcine : plain salt water gargle is benificial along with Laghu

malini vasnt ras. or Talisadi chhorna+ tribhuvan kirti pills with

honey. For further details mail me to " drkarthikpandit "

[Guest guest]

Dear chaived

For the benefits of our readers I going to put forth my views about Tinitus[

sounding in the Ears]

Tinitus i.e. sound i.e. Shabdaguna is a characteristics of Akasha mahabhuta i.e.

principle. Akasha principle i.e. vaccums in our body are filled by Vata dosha.

Vata dosha is living with Asthi dhatu i.e. bones. As you know Ears are made up

of chain of bony structure, Mastoid bone is too pourus. That means pores of

Mastoid bone are due to Akasha principals.

Hence Vata dosha , Asthi dhatu and Aksha principles should be taken in to

consideration in case of Tinitus i.e. increased Shabda guna of Akasha principle.

 

Relationship between Vata dosha and Akasha priniciple is on equal terms. That

means increase of Vata dosha leads to increase in Akasha principle. and increase

in Akasha principle will leads to increase in Vatadosha.

 

But relationship between Vata dosha and Asthi dhatu [ Bones] is not on equal

terms. That means increase in Vata dosha will decrease Asthi dhatu and increase

in Asthi dhatu will decreases Vata dosha.

 

Hence in case of Tinitus increase in Shabda guna means increase in Akasha

principale means increase in Vata dosha and decrease in Asthi dhatu.

 

In my opinion treatment should be done to normalise Vatadosha with the help of

Karnapurana by Oil and Oil massage to Mastoid bone. Dietary changes should be

done to increase strength of the bones.

Orally medications should to be given as per mentioned principles.

 

Dear chaived I would like to study you child's horoscope. Please provide his

birth detail i.e time,place and date

Vaidya Upadhye

www.astroayurvedalogy.com

www.astrotreat.blogspot.com

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REMARKS: 1)This child has only a permanent sound in her ears

apparently a form of tinitus, not related to past infections, no

present infections on the area including troat.

[Guest guest]

> In my opinion treatment should be done to normalise Vatadosha with

the help of Karnapurana by Oil and Oil massage to Mastoid bone.

Dietary changes should be done to increase strength of the bones.

 

> Orally medications should to be given as per mentioned principles.

 

Following doubts arose in author's mind after reading your entire

post.

 

1. If treatment is to be done treating entirely as Vata dosha

(air+akash), why bring in asthi dhatu discussion at all.

 

2. Author agrees with Vata dosha assessment as already explained in:

http://health.ayurveda/message/11149

 

and

http://health.ayurveda/message/2304

 

3. One needs to strengthen akash part is also logical as author found

that breathing technique which strengthens akash principle also helps

in tinnitus. Similarly Shunya mudra which strengthens akasha

principle also helps in Tinnitus.

 

4. The breathing technique and shunya mudra which help in Tinnitus,

also are seen to offer substantial support in case of epilepsy

(seizure) and kamp vata (parkinson disease).

 

5. One may feel this far fetched. But watching blue sky for a long

time from a high spot where horizon view is not disturbed highrise

buildings also seemed to help such disorders. So connection to Akash

principle appears logical. This is one of the 108 techniques

prescribed in Vigyan Bhairav Tantra for self realizartion!

 

6. Karnanada and Karnashweda were the terms in

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/2304

 

will you please explain shabdguna source?

[Guest guest]

Dear Vaidya Shirish

Thanks for your reply.

The question is what is the role of Asthi dhatu in discussion ?

Asthi has a role in disease formation as it is providing Ashraya [Owner] for

Vata dosha and Vata dosha is Ashrayi [Tenant].

The relation between Shabda guna and Akasha principle and role of Vatadosha as a

carrier of Shabda guna due to its Chala [ moving] characteristic is well known.

The basic principle of pathogenesis of any disease is amalgamation of Dosha and

Dushya i.e seven dhatus. Unless such an amalgamation the next steps i.e Vyakti

of the disease [presence] and Bheda [development of specific differentiating

aspects] will never took place.

 

We come to conclusion that Vata is the dosha responsible for Tinitus. Then next

question will be which Dhatu is affected in Tinitus.

If we give a thought then we will find middle ear has chain of bones i,e,

malleus, incus and stapedius. These are responsible in conduction of sound wave,

.. Internal ear is too made up of bones cochlea.is the auditory portion and

vestibule which is responsible for balancing.

 

Hence Asthi dhatu and Vata dosha are playing significant role in Tinitu.

If some one wish to correlate Nervous system and Tinitus then the question will

definately arised about role of Majja dhatu regarding Tinitus.

 

I belive theory of Ayurveda of conduction of Shabda guna by Mind to Aatma

principle causing knowledge of sound to Aatma.

 

Conclusion: Without Akasha principle there will not be Shabda guna and as Asthi

Dhatu has Akasha principle abundantly and middle and Internal ear is made up of

Bony structure it is my view that Asthi dhatu should be taken into consideration

while treating Tinitus.

Thanks once again.

Vaidya Upadhye

 

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Following doubts arose in author's mind after reading your entire

post.

 

1. If treatment is to be done treating entirely as Vata dosha

(air+akash), why bring in asthi dhatu discussion at all.

 

2. Author agrees with Vata dosha assessment as already explained in:

http://health. groups.. com ayurveda/ message/11149

 

and

http://health. groups.. com ayurveda/ message/2304

[Guest guest]

> We come to conclusion that Vata is the dosha responsible for

Tinitus. Then next question will be which Dhatu is affected in

Tinitus.

> If we give a thought then we will find middle ear has chain of

bones i,e, malleus, incus and stapedius. These are responsible in

conduction of sound wave, . Internal ear is too made up of bones

cochlea.is the auditory portion and vestibule which is responsible

for balancing.

>

> Hence Asthi dhatu and Vata dosha are playing significant role in

Tinitu.

> If some one wish to correlate Nervous system and Tinitus then the

question will definately arised about role of Majja dhatu regarding

Tinitus.

 

The above explaination assumes that some noise in the environment is

getting picked up and amplified by bones in the middle and internal

ear. But does not explain why a tinnitus patient hears sound in a

sound-proof chamber (unechoic chamber) where no external sound can

penetrate or internal sounds are generated. Such a chamber is existing in

Acoustic testing laboratory in Bangalore, close to Airport.

 

the mind generates thoughts even when a person is enclosed in a dark

chamber with no sounds, light, as long as breath goes on. in the same

manner, author feels that pulsations of sound are produced in the

sensory system in the absence of any external input. This is similar

to an electronic measurement system picking up environmental noise

(which could be cosmic radiations, magnetic field disturbances) even

when its input jack is shorted and displaying it on CRT. [EMI is the technical

term].

 

When signal

to noise ratio is large, filters remove this noise. May be human

brain also has such filters in nervous system (when we are listening

to good music, we dont hear call for lunch/coffee, other background noise,

etc). It must be this filtering system equivalent to graphic equalisers, which

break

down in tinnitus condition. If this explaination is acceptable, then

asthi dhatu does not enter in the picture.

 

In some vatic disease, walking gait is like a drunkard. The Person

is unable to balance himself and says that he feels his legs have so

much heavy weight, that he is unable to move them. muscles and bones

are perfect in feel and have no pain, cracking sound etc.

 

Simple conclusion based on common sense is signals and/or commands

are not travelling properly. Now if asthi dhatu can be ruled out here

that leaves us with majja dhatu as involved. Similar thinking should

be applied for tinnitus, where sounds are heard in absense of any

sound wave, unless some method establishes that bones in middle and

internal ear have started vibrating without any energy supplied to

them.

 

Before sending men on space flights, NASA did experiments on animals

and humans to study the effect of intense magnetic fields and absense

of gravity. they found that people had hallucinations, dreams,

bizzare thouhts. no need to search the net for this, take a magnet

under the pillow and fly into dreamworld. Author has included the

effects of RF fileds on sleep in one of his posts titled Iron rules

of Health. Author feels that in Tinnitus, the filters in the sensory

system have become ineffective.

 

some of these methods are now in use by criminal investigation

agencies to threaten a hard core criminal so that he divulges the

truth.

[Guest guest]

To all concerned,

The incomplete references of Ayurvedic principles does lead to such confusions.

 

Vata dosha has it's presence predominantly in the following body parts -

pakvaashaya (large intestine), katee (lumbar and pelvic area), sakthee

(thighs),shrotra (ears), asthi (bones) and sparshanendriya (skin, sensory

mechanism from peripheral nerve endings to sensory cortex in brain). Even though

Vata dosha is present all over the body, the above organs and body parts are

more easily influenced by Vata dosha in normal and diseased states.

In tinnitus; known as karnanada / karnashveda in Ayurveda; the dosha is vata,

the dhatu is asthi specifically the Mandalaavarta sandhi in the ear ( Cochlea in

modern medicine ) and the adhishthaan ie place of pathology is obviously

internal ear, as mandalaavarta is in the inner recesses of ear (Internal ear in

modern medicine).

 

The nervous system primarily consists of brain, spinal cord and peripheral

nerves. Of these, the brain and spinal cord is considered under Majja dhatu as

they are encapsulated inside the bones, but brain is given the special name as

Mastulung and is also called the seat of Atma and all intellectual functions,

hence it is differentiated from other majja dhatu in limbic bones which is

termed as bone marrow. The peripheral nerves are termed as vatavaha nadi.

 

When we co-relate the connection of vatavaha nadis with mandalaavarta bone and

vata as the influencing factor in both of them in the place of ear, the

pathogenesis of tinnitus becomes more clear.

 

I think the sharir-kriya (body function / physiology) and dosha-prakriya

(patho-physiology) is more clear now.

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

Ayurveda Consultant

M.D.Ayurved-Medicine (Mumbai-India)

Vice-President, BAMS Graduates Association, Maharashtra,India

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[Guest guest]

Dear Vaidyas:

 

I do really appreciate your great input on this subject, The

following info may contribute to confirm the Vatta aggravation:

 

as per knowing the Prakrity of the child. I happens that I just

received a phone call from mum's child, very concerned about her

sound in the ( righ ear) " tinnitus " -

 

As per the info gave by child's mum:

 

1) father life indicates a very high vatta personality (again ex

wifes's description), I asked her, if she could comment or knows

something about his life style before married , she told me- he was

a HEAVY DRUG abuser, but not any more since he embraced a Krishna

Consciousness life style, he was hanging in his " own self made

Nirvana phylosophy " not wanting to know much about following a

karmic life style such as earning money and mixing with lower class

Sudras (working and normal people), to maintain family

(irresponsible behaviour no following dharma and resulting in

Tamas) that gives him the illusion of taken Sannyasa

(renunciation) .

 

2) an strong relation/influence of separations of parents in the

child's health (tinnitus), this is what her mum told me, tinnitus

begins to manifest on 2005 right after separation.

 

 

I do have some observations on the chart of the child I there are

not objections from moderator I will like to ventilate in this

honorable forum. In any case I'm not attempt to teach here on the

contrary I'm an eternal student and I expect to be corrected, in the

mean time I supply birt data, in case some one in this forum is

knowladgable to the interactions of Karma, dosha dhatu and mala.

 

Jai Sri Ram Jai Sri Krishna

 

chaived

 

Name of child NARMADE

 

Natal Chart

 

February 9, 2002

Time: 6:10:01 am

Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 1 E 36' 00 " , 42 N 58' 00 "

Foix, France

 

Lunar Yr-Mo: Vrisha - Pushya

Tithi: Krishna Trayodasi (Ju) (88.75% left)

Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)

 

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Conclusion: Without Akasha principle there will not be Shabda guna

and as Asthi Dhatu has Akasha principle abundantly and middle and

Internal ear is made up of Bony structure it is my view that Asthi

dhatu should be taken into consideration while treating Tinitus.

> Thanks once again.

> Vaidya Upadhye

[Guest guest]

Dear Vaidya Shirish

What you have written is definately a nice logical thinking.

Will you please explain Samprapti [ Pathogenesis]of Tinitus with

exclusion of Asthi dhatu with Ayurvedic refferences.?

I mean please give us refferences from Text of Ayurveda for the

involvement of Majjadhatu in Tinitus.

 

Vaidya Upadhye

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> If some one wish to correlate Nervous system and Tinitus then the

> question will definately arised about role of Majja dhatu regarding

> Tinitus..........