ACID REFLUX

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Unfortunately the digestive system problems with SSRI drugs are not well known

at this point. It certainly does not happen to every user. I just stumbled on

to this by accident, and am still trying to work out everything that needs to be

done in these cases.

 

We certainly know that SSRI use can amplify any existing or latent food

allergies. So any doc who is into rotation diets and allergy screening should

be of benefit. Many ND's are.

 

In general, whatever was supposed to have been handled with antidepressant

drugs, never was handled. So in these cases that has to be addressed as well,

because it will get in the way.

 

Ginger is a great herb and food for digestion. It can be overdone. But only

rarely are people irritated by it. Sometimes the candied form, even though it

contains sugar, can work well.

 

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:30:16 -0500 Sara Thustra <tv_is_a_drug wrote:

 

Thanks for the great info, Michael--I didn't know about the SSRIs, but I

guess I'm lucky, because I was on them and I didn't get acid reflux! If he

has taken anything like this, should I send him to an ND (or a

nutritionist?) Where do you go for screening like that? Thanks again!!

--ST

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Sofia--

 

There are many aspects to acid reflux, not the least of which is

excessive stress and tension. Of course, there can be other causes as

well, including hernias (which block the digestive tube at a specific

location--a well-respected surgeon told me about this).

 

One factor often involved in acid reflux is our breathing. And it is

not surprising that how we breathe also has a huge impact on our

level of stress and tension. There is an article on my website (under

Articles & Exercises) that you can read about the relationship of

breathing to acid reflux (includes quotes from researchers).

 

With my best wishes,

 

Dennis Lewis

http://www.authentic-breathing.com

 

, " sofia watts "

<sofia1026@c...> wrote:

> DHello All

> I have a customer that has chronic Acid reflux, Do any of you have

an alternative approach to this, any help would be great !!

> Thanks

> Sofia

> http://www.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I work with a teenage Mother who's 3 month old infant has Acid reflux...any ideas?

Thanks

Annette

 

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Dennis Lewis

Friday, February 20, 2004 1:42 PM

Re: Acid reflux

Sofia--There are many aspects to acid reflux, not the least of which is excessive stress and tension. Of course, there can be other causes as well, including hernias (which block the digestive tube at a specific location--a well-respected surgeon told me about this).One factor often involved in acid reflux is our breathing. And it is not surprising that how we breathe also has a huge impact on our level of stress and tension. There is an article on my website (under Articles & Exercises) that you can read about the relationship of breathing to acid reflux (includes quotes from researchers).With my best wishes,Dennis Lewishttp://www.authentic-breathing.com , "sofia watts" <sofia1026@c...> wrote:> DHello All> I have a customer that has chronic Acid reflux, Do any of you have an alternative approach to this, any help would be great !!> Thanks> Sofia> http://www. > > > >

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Annette

I suggest the teenage mother to avoid feeding the three month old infant any acidic foods. Go to http://www.dennisservaes.com/science.html and go to my links on pH and acidic and alkaline foods and print out the info.

 

Best of Luck!

Dennis

 

P.S. When we act enthusiastic we are, and it is contagious!

dolfin513 <dolfin513 wrote:

 

I work with a teenage Mother who's 3 month old infant has Acid reflux...any ideas?

Thanks

Annette

 

-

Dennis Lewis

Friday, February 20, 2004 1:42 PM

Re: Acid reflux

Sofia--There are many aspects to acid reflux, not the least of which is excessive stress and tension. Of course, there can be other causes as well, including hernias (which block the digestive tube at a specific location--a well-respected surgeon told me about this).One factor often involved in acid reflux is our breathing. And it is not surprising that how we breathe also has a huge impact on our level of stress and tension. There is an article on my website (under Articles & Exercises) that you can read about the relationship of breathing to acid reflux (includes quotes from researchers).With my best wishes,Dennis Lewishttp://www.authentic-breathing.com , "sofia watts" <sofia1026@c...> wrote:> DHello All> I have a customer that has chronic Acid reflux, Do any of you have

an alternative approach to this, any help would be great !!> Thanks> Sofia> http://www. > > > >

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All of my kids had this. Try switching to a soy

formula and the urping and the formula coming up will

be a lot better. Many blessings...Mama

 

 

I work with a teenage Mother who's 3 month old infant

has Acid reflux...any ideas?

Thanks

Annette

 

 

 

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Yes, the infant probably needs

probiotics.

 

There is as far as I know only one company that

specializes in an infant formula.

 

That company is Natren.

They have a great website http://natren.com

 

However, you can often get Natren brand

cheaper at http://vitacost.com

 

[Guest guest]

I have been told (but haven't tried myself) that eating celery can benefit

reflux. Celery apparently neutralizes acid in the stomach. Let us know if you

find anything that really helps. I would love to get my husband off of the

Prilosec.

 

Angela C. Pierce, MS CCC/SLP

Northshore Education Consortium

Speech-Language Pathologist

 

" Resolve to be tender with the young,

compassionate with the aged,

sympathetic with the striving, and

tolerant with the weak and wrong...

because sometime in your life you will

have been all of these. "

 

alegna75

[Guest guest]

Here are three proven remedies - I promise they will all work, so choose the one that is best for you.

 

1. LEMONS. Squeeze the juice of one lemon (organic is always best, but a fresh lemon is OK, too). Drink it straight, OR mix in some pure (not tap) water. The acid reflux will go away quickly

 

2. APPLE CIDER VINEGAR - ORGANIC ONLY. Must be purchased in a health food store - the grocery store type is not good. A real life-saver. Suprisingly enough, some people can drink it straight! But you don't have to, so don't panic. Either mix it with pure water, OR mix with both pure water and raw honey. Actually, the honey and cider vinegar have a wonderful synergistic ability.

 

3. PEPPERMINT OIL. My personal favorite. MUST BE PURE, THERAPEUTIC GRADE ONLY. Read the label. Many say 100% PURE on the front and FOR EXTERNAL USE ONLY on the back. Not good enough - this will have any number of additives. You will know it is pure oil if the acid reflux is gone almost immediately.

 

ALL ANTACIDS HAVE WRETCHED SIDE EFFECTS AND DESTROY THE INTESTINAL TRACT. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THEM.

 

Hope this helps.alegna75 wrote:

I have been told (but haven't tried myself) that eating celery can benefit reflux. Celery apparently neutralizes acid in the stomach. Let us know if you find anything that really helps. I would love to get my husband off of the Prilosec.Angela C. Pierce, MS CCC/SLPNorthshore Education ConsortiumSpeech-Language Pathologist"Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant with the weak and wrong... because sometime in your life you will have been all of these."alegna75

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The hiatal hernia is caused by a damaged " trap door " that is supposed to

keep the acid in the stomach to digest food.

Stop taking ant-acids -- you need to have acid in the stomach to digest food.

Stop drinking carbonated beverages, the bubbles that form often lead to the

damage of the little " trap door "

Forcing yourself to " burp " to rid the stomach of gas also causes damage.

Chamomile tea with a dash of lime juice will alkalize and is helpful.

Fennel helps with gas. You can combine both for tea.

A good tea formula for helping the stomach heal is:

Althea, fennel, ground licorice stick ( not he type bought as

candy),cardamom, coriander,ginger and a dash of black pepper. Experiment to get

the taste

you want. I usually just do a pinch of each in a quart of water, preferably in

a stainless steel or glass pot. You may add a pinch or peppermint for taste

as well. You can also throw all these herbs into a blender to mix and keep

the blend in paper bag for use. 1 teaspoon per cup of tea. Bring water to boil,

add herbs, turn off, cover for 15 minutes to steep.

When the hiatal hernia is causing a spasm, it helps to put a fist into the

space between the ribs where the stomach is and push down, this will send the

waves of acid the other way to where it belongs.

Papaya and pineapple also have enzymes that help greatly and should be taken

each day before meals. Fresh is of course best if available but there are

tablets that are available also.

The human body is capable of healing itself, given the proper diet and rest.

Peace, Thyme

 

 

 

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I have had acid reflux for many years and taken all

kinds of meds for it. The most effective has been

Organic Apple Cider Vinager. 1 TBS morning and night

and have not had to take meds for months now.

 

Jenny Kernan

 

--- karnaranjanium <karnaranjanium wrote:

 

> hi all

> I am 26 year old and suffer from acid reflux

> and Hital Hernia.

> Life has become a bit tough for me . someone please

> let me know

> something in yoga that would aid me with this

> condition. Even

> alternative medicine....

>

>

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my mother drinks small sips of coca-cola with every meal. the bubbles help

keep her esophagus open. she cannot tolerate orange juice.

God bless you

athena

 

 

 

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I tried Apple Cider Vinegar for acid reflux. I started taking 1 tsp

in the morning and 1 tsp at night but only lasted 3 days because of

the taste. Any suggestions to make it more palatable?

 

Thank you.

Jamie

 

, Jenny Kernan

<rainysnana wrote:

>

> I have had acid reflux for many years and taken all

> kinds of meds for it. The most effective has been

> Organic Apple Cider Vinager. 1 TBS morning and night

> and have not had to take meds for months now.

>

> Jenny Kernan

>

> --- karnaranjanium <karnaranjanium wrote:

>

> > hi all

> > I am 26 year old and suffer from acid reflux

> > and Hital Hernia.

> > Life has become a bit tough for me . someone please

> > let me know

> > something in yoga that would aid me with this

> > condition. Even

> > alternative medicine....

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I down it straight like a shot of whiskey and then

follow with something I like the taste of....lol But

then I like the taste of malt vinegar on fish so I

don't know what to tell you on that one.

 

Jenny Kernan

 

--- Jamie <DevonsMom420 wrote:

 

> I tried Apple Cider Vinegar for acid reflux. I

> started taking 1 tsp

> in the morning and 1 tsp at night but only lasted 3

> days because of

> the taste. Any suggestions to make it more

> palatable?

>

> Thank you.

> Jamie

>

> , Jenny

> Kernan

> <rainysnana wrote:

> >

> > I have had acid reflux for many years and taken

> all

> > kinds of meds for it. The most effective has been

> > Organic Apple Cider Vinager. 1 TBS morning and

> night

> > and have not had to take meds for months now.

> >

> > Jenny Kernan

> >

> > --- karnaranjanium <karnaranjanium wrote:

> >

> > > hi all

> > > I am 26 year old and suffer from acid

> reflux

> > > and Hital Hernia.

> > > Life has become a bit tough for me . someone

> please

> > > let me know

> > > something in yoga that would aid me with this

> > > condition. Even

> > > alternative medicine....

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jamie,

Add raw honey (not pasteurized) to the cider. Also add pure water to taste.

 

Jamie <DevonsMom420 wrote: I tried

Apple Cider Vinegar for acid reflux. I started taking 1 tsp

in the morning and 1 tsp at night but only lasted 3 days because of

the taste. Any suggestions to make it more palatable?

 

Thank you.

Jamie

 

, Jenny Kernan

<rainysnana wrote:

>

> I have had acid reflux for many years and taken all

> kinds of meds for it. The most effective has been

> Organic Apple Cider Vinager. 1 TBS morning and night

> and have not had to take meds for months now.

>

> Jenny Kernan

>

> --- karnaranjanium <karnaranjanium wrote:

>

> > hi all

> > I am 26 year old and suffer from acid reflux

> > and Hital Hernia.

> > Life has become a bit tough for me . someone please

> > let me know

> > something in yoga that would aid me with this

> > condition. Even

> > alternative medicine....

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Well David,

 

I'm sure these methods may have helped you and many others, but for

some of us, it just makes the acid reflux worse. Lemons, ACV and

Peppermint just caused even more serious flare-ups of the acid reflux

in myself. Apparently I'm an acidic type and this just added to the

problem.

 

What has helped me the most, and it came from someone right here on

this group, was to put 1/4 of baking soda (bicarbonate of soda) in a

glass of water and drink it once or twice a day.

 

I apparently need the alkalizing effect.

 

Toni'

 

 

, David Wilhelm

<davew_73 wrote:

>

> Here are three proven remedies - I promise they will all work, so

choose the one that is best for you.

>

> 1. LEMONS. Squeeze the juice of one lemon (organic is always best,

but a fresh lemon is OK, too). Drink it straight, OR mix in some pure

(not tap) water. The acid reflux will go away quickly

>

> 2. APPLE CIDER VINEGAR - ORGANIC ONLY. Must be purchased in a

health food store - the grocery store type is not good. A real life-

saver. Suprisingly enough, some people can drink it straight! But you

don't have to, so don't panic. Either mix it with pure water, OR mix

with both pure water and raw honey. Actually, the honey and cider

vinegar have a wonderful synergistic ability.

>

> 3. PEPPERMINT OIL. My personal favorite. MUST BE PURE, THERAPEUTIC

GRADE ONLY. Read the label. Many say 100% PURE on the front and FOR

EXTERNAL USE ONLY on the back. Not good enough - this will have any

number of additives. You will know it is pure oil if the acid reflux

is gone almost immediately.

>

> ALL ANTACIDS HAVE WRETCHED SIDE EFFECTS AND DESTROY THE INTESTINAL

TRACT. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THEM.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Annie;

 

Please tell us more about your niece and sister - whatever you know

might be of value in this ayurvedic assessment of her situation. Of

course it is good that she is only breastfeeding, but what is your

sister eating, how often is she breastfeeding, and what do you know

about why it is painful to nurse, or was she trying to feed her

daughter solids already, in which case again, what is the pain about?

 

So happy to have you join our forum! For all watching the

conversation, Annie has a very little one herself (please introduce!)

and was a student in the Colorado intensive for AyurDoula training

last year. This may be her first client to work with aside from

herself, is that correct?

 

Yes, Luca is very busy, 16 months old and cutting a mouthful of molars

at once (ouch). Poor Judy hardly getting much sleep, Luca is mostly

just nursing right now, and Judy studying for REal Estate license exam

here in Arizona. Luca was just gleefully investigating my purse and

whatever else he could find in my room after his nap. It is a delight

to be with this family! Adam and Amanda are here for another week or

2...lots of news to share another time.

 

Love,

Ysha

 

> Hello,

> I am looking for information on infant acid relux. My niece is about

3 months. She is not putting weight on because it is to painful to

eat. She is only breastfeeding. Are there food allergies that causes

the reflux?? Any ideas would be great.

> Annie

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know too much about acid reflux or even if it truly exists. But I know

many parents keep their babies in car seats or other positions where their

bodies are doubled over forward and food is pushed up from the stomach into the

esophagus. Especially short-legged, short waisted little babies. Any burp pushes

milk out easily..then they call it reflux. Doctors are quick to prescribe reflux

meds and maybe in a few cases it is justified.

Burping well after feeding, with the head up and back straight is a good start.

Vicky

 

 

-

joensa

ayurveda

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:05 AM

PerinatalAyurveda forum acid reflux

 

 

Hello,

I am looking for information on infant acid relux. My niece is about 3 months.

She is not

putting weight on because it is to painful to eat. She is only breastfeeding.

Are there food

allergies that causes the reflux??

Any ideas would be great.

Annie

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ysha's comments remind me that often it is a case of mom nursing her baby too

often and resulting in too much, causing a lot of spitting up of partially

digested milk so irritating to the esophagus. It could be that the mother has a

strong let down/ejection reflex delivering milk to the baby faster than she

wants it, possibly taking in lots of air, causing more gas/spitting up.

Reflux has become such a catch-all phrase and the many other considerations are

often left out by busy drs. who aren't breastfeeding-savvy but are " prescription

happy. "

Vicky York

 

-

Ysha Oakes

ayurveda

Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:59 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: acid reflux

 

 

Hi Annie;

 

Please tell us more about your niece and sister - whatever you know

might be of value in this ayurvedic assessment of her situation. Of

course it is good that she is only breastfeeding, but what is your

sister eating, how often is she breastfeeding, and what do you know

about why it is painful to nurse, or was she trying to feed her

daughter solids already, in which case again, what is the pain about?

 

So happy to have you join our forum! For all watching the

conversation, Annie has a very little one herself (please introduce!)

and was a student in the Colorado intensive for AyurDoula training

last year. This may be her first client to work with aside from

herself, is that correct?

 

Yes, Luca is very busy, 16 months old and cutting a mouthful of molars

at once (ouch). Poor Judy hardly getting much sleep, Luca is mostly

just nursing right now, and Judy studying for REal Estate license exam

here in Arizona. Luca was just gleefully investigating my purse and

whatever else he could find in my room after his nap. It is a delight

to be with this family! Adam and Amanda are here for another week or

2...lots of news to share another time.

 

Love,

Ysha

 

> Hello,

> I am looking for information on infant acid relux. My niece is about

3 months. She is not putting weight on because it is to painful to

eat. She is only breastfeeding. Are there food allergies that causes

the reflux?? Any ideas would be great.

> Annie

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Annie,

 

I have worked with many babies who have been diagnosed

by doctors with acid reflux using craniosacral work.

I know this is an ayurvedic forum, so am respectful of

that as our reference point. What Vicky says below is

very much what I have found. The situation of

strapping babies into car seats, bouncy chairs and

other devices that bind the baby around the stomach

and esophagus is a challenge. I find it can agitate

the entire digestive system, sometimes pushing the

stomach upward towards the esophagus. Some belly

massage with warm sesame oil can be useful, especially

focussing on massaging underneath the rib cage and

gently urging the stomach downward towards the navel.

Often the vagus nerve is involved, which I believe

also can come from the strapping in situation. The

baby is unable to turn their entire body, so turns the

head and neck in a way that can compress the vegas

nerve. Again, full body massage with warm sesame oil

giving attention to the neck and shoulders can be

useful here. I have worked to open the options for

movement in the baby, making sure that outside of the

car seat the baby moves freely, not patterned as if

the seat is there when it is not.

 

I send loving healing wishes your way.

 

warmly,

 

Kim Luchau

Craniosacral Therapist

now in Kauai, Hawaii

 

 

--- VMYORK wrote:

 

> I don't know too much about acid reflux or even if

> it truly exists. But I know many parents keep their

> babies in car seats or other positions where their

> bodies are doubled over forward and food is pushed

> up from the stomach into the esophagus. Especially

> short-legged, short waisted little babies. Any burp

> pushes milk out easily..then they call it reflux.

> Doctors are quick to prescribe reflux meds and maybe

> in a few cases it is justified.

> Burping well after feeding, with the head up and

> back straight is a good start.

> Vicky

>

>

> -

> joensa

> ayurveda

> Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:05 AM

> PerinatalAyurveda forum acid reflux

>

>

> Hello,

> I am looking for information on infant acid relux.

> My niece is about 3 months. She is not

> putting weight on because it is to painful to eat.

> She is only breastfeeding. Are there food

> allergies that causes the reflux??

> Any ideas would be great.

> Annie

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Jivani;

This is all welcome information, including your successes if you wish

to describe further how/why/what you experience with clients. I'm

sure CS helps support the digestive system among many other things.

 

I too agree with Vicky's wisewoman simple advice.

 

warmly,

Ysha

>

> I have worked with many babies who have been diagnosed

> by doctors with acid reflux using craniosacral work.

> I know this is an ayurvedic forum, so am respectful of

> that as our reference point. What Vicky says below is

> very much what I have found. The situation of

[Guest guest]

Lee -

 

We have given acid reflux some good discussion already - please look

through the archives by using the search box with those words. But

more Ayurvedic comment apparently didn't make it on the forum yet.

Our experience with mama-baby reflux is that. Usually if Mom nurses

quietly, not while talking, doing something else, watching TV etc, and

privately, the reflux settles down. Check - does baby do fine at

night? Often just the disturbances to sensitive tummy and relation to

emotions or physical crunching can be the key.

 

Another key we find is if, after lactation is established (usually

around 2 weeks we can go here) if Baby is being put to breast too

frequently and compromising digestion. Again, it is like eating a

meal on top of a recent snack, or meal. The body is not designed for

this. True appetite and need is after previous meal is well on its

way thru the breakdown and assimilation of food. For a baby, around 2

hours from end of one feeding to beginning of another usually is wise

guide, and give baby other attentions in between . As Vicky has noted

recently, babies cry and root when they are sleepy too, around 1 hour

or more after previous feeding. Nursing at this time builds

incomplete products of digestion and for some babies, builds into

reflux.

 

Third big issue is what is mom eating, including are there leftovers,

cold food and drink, hard to digest things like mac and cheese at

night, red meats in early postpartum, poor food combining, etc. Check

first on the list of recommended foods to favor and avoid (see files

link on the left at www.perinatalayurveda ).

Then we can discuss further.

 

Blessings;

Ysha

>

> Thank you ladies for the quick responses to my questions about " milk

> fever, " toddlers, and acid reflux.

[Guest guest]

Well many babies need to nurse more than every two hours especially if they are

newborns, breast milk is very easy to digest and the more frequent and smaller

feedings are way easier for GER babies than regular big meals which would come

right back up and upset the baby and then make him very hungry. And letting the

baby nurse to sleep is good IMO. Most babies do not get overfed, if they are

allowed to self-regulate and nurse on demand from mommy as opposed to a bottle.

I agree with the info on checking the foods.

 

Sincerely,

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Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 1:03:02 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: Acid Reflux

 

Lee -

 

We have given acid reflux some good discussion already - please look

through the archives by using the search box with those words. But

more Ayurvedic comment apparently didn't make it on the forum yet.

Our experience with mama-baby reflux is that. Usually if Mom nurses

quietly, not while talking, doing something else, watching TV etc, and

privately, the reflux settles down. Check - does baby do fine at

night? Often just the disturbances to sensitive tummy and relation to

emotions or physical crunching can be the key.

 

Another key we find is if, after lactation is established (usually

around 2 weeks we can go here) if Baby is being put to breast too

frequently and compromising digestion. Again, it is like eating a

meal on top of a recent snack, or meal. The body is not designed for

this. True appetite and need is after previous meal is well on its

way thru the breakdown and assimilation of food. For a baby, around 2

hours from end of one feeding to beginning of another usually is wise

guide, and give baby other attentions in between . As Vicky has noted

recently, babies cry and root when they are sleepy too, around 1 hour

or more after previous feeding. Nursing at this time builds

incomplete products of digestion and for some babies, builds into

reflux.

 

Third big issue is what is mom eating, including are there leftovers,

cold food and drink, hard to digest things like mac and cheese at

night, red meats in early postpartum, poor food combining, etc. Check

first on the list of recommended foods to favor and avoid (see files

link on the left at www.groups.. com perinatalayurved a ).

Then we can discuss further.

 

Blessings;

Ysha

>

> Thank you ladies for the quick responses to my questions about " milk

> fever, " toddlers, and acid reflux.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy -

RE

> the more frequent and smaller feedings are way easier for GER babies

than regular big meals which would come right back up and upset the

baby and then make him very hungry. And letting the baby nurse to

sleep is good IMO. Most babies do not get overfed, if they are allowed

to self-regulate and nurse on demand from mommy as opposed to a bottle.

 

Totally with you on nursing vs bottle bennies, and not putting baby to

sleep hungry! But babies need to suck beyond their need to eat - it

balances hemispheres when they are feeling the environs or themselves,

out of balance, and it also is their main means to actively connect

with the world for a while. Also, we come into this world with

varying degrees of oh my another discussion I can't go there now, what

we call satva, rajas and tamas in the mind/emotions. Let's just say,

the self regulation discussion is dependent upon clear clean emotions

and mind-body wisdom, which some have and many dont no matter what the

innocence, in mothers, babies, and others.

 

My previous post addressing more the cause and correction of the acid

reflux, which for many moms may have to sort itself of course in

layers as there are so many differences in how people care for their

babies, themselves, and their food habits. We do our best lovingly,

for sure. I adored nursing my babies to sleep, though it developed

some challenges of its own sometimes, as I can see in hindsight. I've

see a fair percentage of babies overfed, and mom and baby don't know

it. The more important thing, what is baby's digestion doing with that

sweet milk on top of sour in her tummy? Something doesn't get

digested right, and I sure have seen enough La leche league and other

babies with runny noses to prove it.

 

I know this is the commonly accepted wisdom in natural childbearing

and breastfeeding circles, but have seen big difference with clients

doing it and not. Have had many who were observing this with

heartfelt attention who had babies developing colic, fussiness, GER,

difficulty taking good naps, difficulty sleeping longer stretches at

night. I'm not talking bout the all night pipe dream, but about

normal 2-5 hour stretches.

 

When I took an intern and 2 students with me to several client's homes

recently it was so obvious to all the students and mothers. The

intern, a grandma, took the baby while we talked with the mom and then

did the ayurvedic hot oil massage for her. The protocol is to set her

up with hot water bottles on tummy and lower back (or breasts if

needed) afterwards for 1/2 hour nap, leaving a nice hot bath ready to

slip into when done.

 

All these mothers couldn't believe the baby would allow it, with their

nursing needs. (These moms 5 weeks - 3 months postpartum). All that

week had same problem as described above, plus some with difficulty

burping, hard to keep comfortable, all passing lots of gas, and

napping only short periods before seeming to need the breast again.

All of them AMAZED when the knowing attention and peaceful arms of

this grandmother kept the baby happy then finally falling asleep for a

nice long nap, while mom to her surprise got to enjoy the full

treatment. (It wasn't just this grandma's magic, this just

illustrates many such stories). Babies woke to nurse then went right

back to sleep next to Mom for another good nap. Reports later - it

works, such big thanks!

 

So many childbirth books now guiding moms as you say below, and so

many moms having so many challenges from it, we see! ON their growth

spurt, it is a little different, of course. at 10 days, 3 weeks, and

5 weeks, for 2-3 days they need to nurse a little more often. If mom

is not cared for/caring for herself properly it becomes a lot more

often, to build the milk supply between all her other demands.

 

> Well many babies need to nurse more than every two hours especially

if they are newborns, breast milk is very easy to digest and

 

Still takes some time to digest, generally 2+ hours to move out of

digestive stages that can easily otherwise confuse if fresh milk added

before then. Different babies have faster or slower, or more

irregular digestion just like adults, also explainable and can be

supported if needed to adjust. Different mothers' breast milk also

varies in speed of digestion. Most cHeese, heavy meats, old foods,

poor food combining etc various things make it heaver and harder to

digest in a way that can create more risk for the upchuck too. Raw

foods, dry foods, cold foods, other things make it thin, quicker to

digest, less grounding and creating less contentment more tummy

constrictions and gas. Spicy foods, sour things, high salt and fried

things make it more sour and spicy tasting and create more temper,

impatience in baby, for instance. Much to learn!

 

Sincerely,

Ysha

[Guest guest]

We hear so much about feeding on demand. This was partly to counter people and

peds from other times who put babies on 4 hour schedules, no matter their weight

or circumstances. What I have found from 16 years of full time postpartum

doula-ing is that brand new babies need to be at the moms breast pretty much all

day long, they are setting up prolactin receptor sites, getting acquainted and

the oxytocin is shrinking moms uterus and many other advantages. As the week

goes by the mom learns to nurse effectively and she learns to wake the baby up

with skin-on-skin nursing, stimulate him to keep sucking, burp him when he

squirms, then try to put him on the other side for awhile. If she spends this

kind of time really making it a feeding session rather than just hanging out on

the phone while baby sleeps at the breast, then the baby will actually drink

milk and he will be able to go for a couple of hours without eating again. After

2 or 3 weeks it is easy for him to slip into a 3 hour schedule if nursing is

going well. Growth spurts can call for more frequent feeding again temporarily,

then they often go on about a 3-hour schedule. So feeding on demand and Ysha's

wisdom about adding fresh milk to old milk both have their place. Where the

problem has come in, in my experience, is that moms nurse, the baby falls asleep

before he eats enough, she lays him down and then he wants to eat again after a

short period. Soon she is finding she is feeding every one and a half hours to 2

hours for weeks, (babies would like to eat every half hour for about 1 or 2

minutes ideally, but most american women can't continue a schedule like that)

and during the night he wakes after only 3 hours for months on end. Some women

then give up breastfeeding because they hear that formula " holds them longer " so

they switch just to get to rest, when all they had to do in the first place was

to get serious about the feeding session.

 

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

Portland, Oregon

http://mypeoplepc.com/members/vmyork/

http://vmyork.ikarma.com/id269

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well I have heard from my LLL stuff and promom that breast milk is digested in 2

hours tops. With my first, he was constantly wanting to nurse 24 hours a day, I

think that was because 1) I didn't get the best start and had way too much

formula substitution going on, and 2) he was extra fussy from the Zoloft in my

milk, maybe even addicted to it - who knows.

 

With my second I have never timed anything, just nurse if he wants to nurse for

the most part. 3 hours seems like a long time for a newborn, but Toby was always

getting a lot more milk in the beginning because I never stopped nursing my

first before he was born and it came in plentifully really quickly. Amazingly he

could go 2-3 hours from the first day he was born, but sometimes it is more like

5 minute intervals of two seconds of nursing. LOL

 

I hate schedules and think they usually just end up hurting the babies, but I do

like the sound of a nice long massage or bath or whatever while grandma takes

the baby. Too bad most moms do not have grandma for that long... I know my mom

was dying to go home after one week! That is why I like the sound of a doula.

Too bad our families and society are so disjointed.

 

Sincerely,

Amy Philo

214-705-0169 home

817-793-8028 cell

 

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" VMYORK " <VMYORK

ayurveda

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:23:50 PM

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: Acid Reflux

 

We hear so much about feeding on demand. This was partly to counter people and

peds from other times who put babies on 4 hour schedules, no matter their weight

or circumstances. What I have found from 16 years of full time postpartum

doula-ing is that brand new babies need to be at the moms breast pretty much all

day long, they are setting up prolactin receptor sites, getting acquainted and

the oxytocin is shrinking moms uterus and many other advantages. As the week

goes by the mom learns to nurse effectively and she learns to wake the baby up

with skin-on-skin nursing, stimulate him to keep sucking, burp him when he

squirms, then try to put him on the other side for awhile. If she spends this

kind of time really making it a feeding session rather than just hanging out on

the phone while baby sleeps at the breast, then the baby will actually drink

milk and he will be able to go for a couple of hours without eating again. After

2 or 3 weeks it is easy for

him to slip into a 3 hour schedule if nursing is going well. Growth spurts can

call for more frequent feeding again temporarily, then they often go on about a

3-hour schedule. So feeding on demand and Ysha's wisdom about adding fresh milk

to old milk both have their place. Where the problem has come in, in my

experience, is that moms nurse, the baby falls asleep before he eats enough, she

lays him down and then he wants to eat again after a short period. Soon she is

finding she is feeding every one and a half hours to 2 hours for weeks, (babies

would like to eat every half hour for about 1 or 2 minutes ideally, but most

american women can't continue a schedule like that) and during the night he

wakes after only 3 hours for months on end. Some women then give up

breastfeeding because they hear that formula " holds them longer " so they switch

just to get to rest, when all they had to do in the first place was to get

serious about the feeding session.

 

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

Portland, Oregon

http://mypeoplepc. com/members/ vmyork/

http://vmyork. ikarma.com/ id269