Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 What kinds of improvements, in TCM terms, would we expect to see after a liver detox formula is used? How long are they used for? wrote: > > > On Behalf Of > Monday, September 12, 2005 7:02 PM > > Re: liver detox formula > > > On Sep 12, 2005, at 5:41 PM, wrote: > > > Since CM really has no liver > > detox formulas, as of yet, it seems difficult to answer. > > I am equally mystified by TCM teachers and practitioners who talk > about the need for liver detox. Toxic heat as a TCM concept is a bit > difficult to nail down, but if you look at the functions of the herbs > described as having that function, you can get into the ball park, > but at no point have I seen " toxic heat " having anything to do with > " liver detox " . Long Dan Cao? Huang Qin? > I do agree that there is not a strong relationship between the western concept of detoxification and CM's 'toxin' or 'toxic heat'. But I do think there is a need to detoxify the liver in many people or should one say aid in its ability to detox (via phase I & II) as well as prevent unnecessary creation of toxins that the liver must handle (i.e. from gut dysbiosis)... I also think that most of the practitioners that squawk about this need, know very little of what they are talking about, and are just parroting the modern lingo (detox detox detox) and thinking hmhmm.. 'milk thistle' - But I would image herbs like bai shao and chai hu will be shown to aid in this process, but it is so hard to say without research. It is just a different way of viewing the body. I see no reason that these 2 worlds will not merge. - Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 In TCM terms, liver detox treats a zang like a fu, a treasury like a distribution hub, a yin organ like a yang one, which then risks discharging the precious or damaging the yin. Of course, " gall bladder cleanse " may state more accurately what is being done with " liver detox " and if it obviates the now common cholecystectomy, may be a needed stand-in for dietary education. Carl There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. genetic high cholesterol Nora 2. post on CHA on skin problem " Daniel " 3. Re: Re: pulse seminar Mike Liaw 4. Re: genetic high cholesterol " " 5. liver detox and fatty infiltrates 6. liver detox and functinal medicine 7. Re: genetic high cholesterol 8. Re: genetic high cholesterol " Danny Johnson L.Ac. " 9. Re: genetic high cholesterol " " 10. Re: SV: liver detox formula 11. Re: SV: liver detox formula " " 12. Re: genetic high cholesterol 13. Re: genetic high cholesterol " " 14. Re: pulse seminar " rossrosen " 15. Re: SV: liver detox formula " rossrosen " 16. Re: pharmacological question Anton Borja 17. Re: SV: liver detox formula " " 18. Referrals needed for Dallas, TX and Encino CA " Joseph Balensi " 19. Re: SV: liver detox formula " " 20. Re: Re: pulse seminar Mike Liaw 21. Re: SV: liver detox formula " " 22. Re: SV: liver detox formula " " 23. Re: SV: liver detox formula " " 24. Re: genetic high cholesterol " Heiko Lade " 25. Re: SV: liver detox formula " Heiko Lade " ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:19:35 -0700 Nora genetic high cholesterol Speaking of treating preventatively/treating on the basis of lab results: Has anyone had success treating genetic-type high cholesterol? A former patient was recently dx'd with this (lab results obtained at general check-up); I have not seen her in awhile but she has a tendency toward mild Liver Qi invading Sp/St. She reports no major health symptoms currently but wants to avoid statins if possible and her MD is open-minded. (I don't know about LDL/HDL ratio; triglycerides are fine, BP is fine.) My general instinct would be to treat what I see (TCM pattern-wise), regardless of western dx info, and just see if improving TCM function affects the lab values. (And, if the values don't get any worse and she doesn't have any sx, should one worry? could just be normal variation?) I am open to input from those more into Naturopathy/functional (bio)medicine, though my goal is to get to a point of feeling really competent in the medicine I studied! : ) Any thoughts and experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Nora ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:29:05 -0000 " Daniel " post on CHA on skin problem > Hi Andrea Beth, > > Also, don't hesitate to play around with calendula, > wheat germ, jojoba, almond oil, and others, > externally, and remember to support the different > infl/anti-infl. pathways by supplementing flax seed > (the best source of Omega 3), Can you elaborate on why you feel it is the best. -Jason Jason, I like flax seed oil better because (1) I have much better control over the quality (organic, cold-pressed, reliable source, etc.), (2) it is a precursor to EPA and therefore it supports the anti-inflammatory pathways (if they are working properly, otherwise fish oil may be the better choice) rather than bypassing a step, and (3) because it has a higher omega 3 content than fish oil. I always recommend the oil together with the ground seeds, for the known co-factors as well as the soluble and insoluble fiber it supplies. What are your thoughts? Daniel ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Mike Liaw Re: Re: pulse seminar Ross, In your view, what do you think of Dr. Hammer's Book, Chinese Pulse Diagnosis, as a substitute for the seminar? Mike L. Ross Rosen wrote: Jason, you can check www.dragonrises.org and see who is teaching in the near future from the Contemporary Chinese Pulse Diagnosis certified teachers. I will be teaching one in the fall, but not yet sure of the date. It will be in NJ. Ross Message: 2 Sat, 10 Sep 2005 07:47:30 -0600 " " Pulse seminar? Are there any pulse seminars that are in the next year in the United States? I am looking for a more ADVANCED level with a 'master' practitioner. - Ross Rosen, JD, MSTOM, LAc (NY), CA (NJ), Dipl OM (NCCAOM) Center for Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine, P.A. 166 Mountain Avenue Westfield, New Jersey 07090 (908) 654-4333 www.acupunctureandherbalmedicine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 A very good point, Carl. In terms of Chinese medicine, we are more probably speaking about issues that would involve primarily the gall bladder and stomach rather than liver and spleen. On Sep 15, 2005, at 11:06 AM, carl ploss wrote: > In TCM terms, liver detox treats a zang like a fu, a treasury like > a distribution hub, a yin organ like a yang one, which then risks > discharging the precious or damaging the yin. Of course, " gall > bladder cleanse " may state more accurately what is being done with > " liver detox " and if it obviates the now common cholecystectomy, > may be a needed stand-in for dietary education. Carl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 , " Lyndall Abbott-Young " <devil.tas wrote: > > > Any suggestion for a good liver detox protocol I can do? My liver has been > struggling for some time now and I feel I now need to go through a liver > detox to help give it a boost, and if I lose some weight as well then that > is great! > > Hi Lyndall! Milk Thistle, the liquid tincture is an excellent herb for the liver, also Lecithin will help remove some fatty deposits and toxins, good luck. Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Hi Friends: I have tried coffe enima day after day 7 times. It is very good liver detox.with good result from first enema. Eimo53 , " Jean " <fjd2002 wrote: > > , " Lyndall Abbott-Young " > <devil.tas@> wrote: > > > > > > Any suggestion for a good liver detox protocol I can do? My liver > has been > > struggling for some time now and I feel I now need to go through a > liver > > detox to help give it a boost, and if I lose some weight as well > then that > > is great! > > > > > > Hi Lyndall! > > Milk Thistle, the liquid tincture is an excellent herb for the liver, > also Lecithin will help remove some fatty deposits and toxins, good > luck. > > Jean > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I was looking to do a liver detox..does anyone have info or a site that can be helpful in the safe and proper way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 For Detoxification……………. Before you go to bed at night, take two cloves of fresh garlic and chop it and let it expose to the air for a few minutes ( not more than 5 mts). The chopping releases the enzyme alliance in the garlic. Gather the chopped garlic on a spoon and swallow it with water. The garlic will travel your entire digestive tract while you sleep and scavenge and neutralize all the toxins, carcinogens, harmful bacteria, fungi, viruses, foreign chemical before they can harm your healthy cells. Swallowing the chopped garlic will not give you garlic breath, as long as you don't chew it. You brush your teeth and rinse your mouth before you go to bed anyway. In the morning, drink a big glass of water. Your first bowel movement will have a strong garlic odor and you will know that the harmful stuff have been eliminated from your body. Try it, especially if you have had a bad eating day. Before practice any natural medicine it is advisable that wash your stomach by enema or take some Tamarind in warm water and drink it at night , it can cause a loose motion, and your stomach will be clean, which will help you for a good treatment ( at least once in a Couple of week is best for maintain a good health). With best wishes Swami Brahmavidyananda Saraswati ________________ I was looking to do a liver detox..does anyone have info or a site that can be helpful in the safe and proper way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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