menopause

[Guest guest]

Here is a remedy for menopause stuff. Calcium. Lots!

Take 2500mg of absorbable calcium every day and it will do wonders for you.

Be sure the calcium is calcium citrate, calcium lactate or calcium

glycerophosphate or calcium carbonate hydroxide. For each 500 mg of calcium

you must also have 200 mg of Magnesium. If you do not you will be

constipated! You should have 15min of sunshine each day or 200IU of Vitamin

D. This is what makes the calcium and magnesium work.

 

Under no circumstance should you take Oyster shell calcium. The last time you

went to the beach you certainly didn't eat any sea shells, did you? You are

designed to eat plant source calcium not rocks! Your body will only absorb

about 3% of all the oyster shell calcium that you ingest doing you no good at

all.

 

Read " The Calcium Factor " by Robert Barefoot. He is the leading calcium

researcher in the US today. He makes some very interesting statements!

 

Anyway, I refuse to put synthetic hormones in my body and calcium is working

just great for me. I am now 55 and have never had a hot flash!

 

Love & Light,

Nancy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chris Kelly wrote:

 

> >>perhaps someone has a good suggestions for herbs and essential oils and

> other

> helpers

> Peggy>>

>

> It just so happens i have about 5 or 6 very long emails pertaining to this,

> written by a woman that I see as an Herbal Guru. I can either send them

> private....or to the list.

>

> http://www.scentsappeal.net

 

Go ahead and post them because sooner or later all women go through the change

Peggy

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Chris,

 

I would be very interested in receiving the " herbal guru's " e-mails on

menopause.

 

Thanks,

Barb

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Gotu kola and Dong quai: relieve hot flashes, vaginal dryness and

> depression *(Im not positive, but I think its the dong quai that you

> shouldn't use if you have high blood pressure).

>

 

I know that Ma huang or ephedra absolutely should never be taken by

those with high blood pressure or Thyroid problems I have high blood

pressure and Ma Huang /ephedra does really bad things to me had a

friend with Thyroid troubles who almost drove a car off a cliff after

taking just a little

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, Christine Okon <okonc@p...> wrote:

> Hello

> I would appreciate your suggestions for herbs or teas that would

help

> someone going through perimenopause or menopause.

 

I don't know a lot about menopause, so hopefully someone who does

will reply.

 

I do know there is both a Yin type (by far the most common) and a

Yang type.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

There's pretty good info out there....not sure if you have a school

library available to you but,

Aging and Blood Stasis

Author: Yan De-Xin

Translated by: Tang Guo-Shun

has a chapter on it P. 201 - 204 with differentiations and formulas.

 

Also,

for Women by Bronwyn Whitlocke

is a nice little book.

 

I started to include some excerpts from a really good online article that

might

 

help but it was really extensive so I'll just guide you there, if you're

interested. It started from this paragraph (@7th)on:

CHINESE HERBS AND ANTI-AGING THERAPIES

<http://www.itmonline.org/arts/estdep.htm>http://www.itmonline.org/arts/est

dep.htm

 

 

And, this one was referrenced in the above. It includes formulas

per differentiation:

THE TREATMENT OF MENOPAUSAL SYNDROME WITH CHINESE HERBS

<http://www.itmonline.org/arts/menopaus.htm>http://www.itmonline.org/arts/m

enopaus.htm

 

Good luck,

Kit

 

 

 

>Hello

>I would appreciate your suggestions for herbs or teas that would help

>someone going through perimenopause or menopause.

>

>I realize there are many symptoms, but I will leave the question open for

>now. I would like to hear your experiences with this.

>

>THanks much

>christine

>

>

[Guest guest]

>herbal remedies

> " thecountesschina " <thecountesschina

>Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:55:39 -0000

>[herbal remedies] Menopause

>herbal remedies

>

 

 

I'v heard the Black Cohosh (?spelling) is good for it too.

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[Guest guest]

Well just to throw a spanner in the works here.......I had been

taking Black Cohosh for past coupla mnths and just the other day

decided to stop it as it wasn't really doing anything for my flushes

n sweats, plus I've been getting headaches quite bad and going

through depressions a lot.....a coupla years ago I took a soy based

product and it worked wonders for me....am now seriously considering

going back to a soy product....!

Kristal

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herbal remedies

Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:55 PM

[herbal remedies] Menopause

Hello!A couple of years ago at the age of 35 I had to have a hysterectomy. Not wanting to go on HRT therapy, I searched for alternative remedies. I recently found one to help w/ the hot flashes that I was experiencing along with night sweats. My sleep was horribly interrupted. Its called Soy Balance from a company called Nature's Resource. . .

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[Guest guest]

While we are on the subject of Meno...Doc are you there

PLEASE ;-)

I am 57...almost 58.

I stopped the premerin (sp) three years ago. I was already having

hot flashes and tropical storms at night. There are getting more intense

now. I am so tired from lack of a good nights sleep and gross everyone

out when I am in public esp out to dinner. I think I have tried every

cream on the market and every herb combination and single. It is so bad

at night...covers on covers off...fan on fan off that not even the dog

wants to get near me. We live outside of Death Valley and it is hot

anyway. Fatigue is getting the better of me and my personality is in the

minus range for good humor. I also have extreme lower back pain which

they tell me is not unusual with meno...I work in animal rehab and exotic

farming as well as my other jobs. I am willing to try just about anything

except going back on prem since I had blood clots from IV years ago when

the kids were born and a hysterectomy maybe 25 years ago. No family

history as I am adopted. HELPHELPHELPHELP <GRINNING> yes, I know

that was in caps...I was shouting ;-)

with respect and hugs to all of you nice people

Diane...the high desert recluse

[Guest guest]

Hey Diane...

Haven't seen you post in awhile...You need to get on the

Female Tonic Formula4 oz Dong Quai4 oz Wild Yam4 oz Chaste Tree2 oz licorice1.5 oz Damiana Leaf.75oz Hops Flowerand then the menopausal formula also (under Dr.Ian Shillington in the files)

along with some total tonic and panther piss (and vit. e)

would be a good start..

Suzi

Tuckered Tortoise <recluse1 wrote:

While we are on the subject of Meno...Doc are you there PLEASE ;-)I am 57...almost 58.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear John,

 

Namaste.

 

Thank you for your email.

 

Enclosed for your easy reference, a copy of message 995 written by

Master Fe on the medical background and pranic healing for menopause

from the message board of group page.

 

Love,

 

Marilette

 

Message 995

 

MEDICAL INFORMATION: MENOPAUSE

 

" Menopause is the transition period in a woman's life when the

ovaries stop

producing eggs, menstrual activity decreases and eventually ceases,

and the

body decreases the production of the female hormones estrogen and

progesterone. It normally occurs between the ages of 40 and 55, is a

natural event in a woman's life. On average, menopause begins at

about age 51.

 

The symptoms of menopause are caused by changes in estrogen and

progesterone levels. As the ovaries become less functional, they

produce

less estrogen/progesterone and the body subsequently reacts. Some

women

experience few if any symptoms, while others experience various

symptoms

ranging from mild to fairly severe. This variation is normal. A

gradual

decrease of estrogen allows the body to slowly adjust to the hormone

change, but in some women a sudden decrease in estrogen level occurs,

causing severe symptoms. This result is often seen when menopause is

caused

by surgical removal of the ovaries (surgical menopause) or

hysterectomy. (Hysterectomy or surgical removal of the uterus, and

frequently the ovaries is widely accepted both by medical

professionals and

the public as appropriate treatment for uterine cancer and for various

common non-cancerous uterine conditions that can produce often

disabling

levels of pain, discomfort, uterine bleeding, emotional distress, and

related symptoms.)

 

A reduction in estrogen is associated with a number of side effects

that

can be very annoying. Hot flashes, caused by an increase of blood

flow in

the blood vessels of the face, neck, chest and back, and vaginal

dryness,

caused by thinning of the tissues of the vaginal wall, are the two

side

effects most frequently experienced. The mood changes and lack of sex

drive

that are also sometimes associated with menopause may result

partially from

the hormone decrease, but may also result from having to deal with hot

flashes and vaginal dryness. In addition to these side effects there

are

others that may go undetected for many months or years. Decreased

estrogen

levels increase the risk for osteoporosis (loss of calcium from the

bones,

causing bone fragility), which sometimes isn't detected until a bone

fracture occurs.

 

Treatment

Natural menopause usually requires no treatment. Surgical menopause

that

occurs prior to natural menopause may require estrogen replacement

therapy

(ERT). Not all postmenopausal women need to be treated with ERT. Each

woman

should discuss her individual risks and benefits with her health

care provider.

 

To reduce the risks of estrogen replacement therapy and still gain the

benefits of the treatment, physicians may recommend: (1.) adding

progesterone to the estrogen, (2.) adding testosterone to the

estrogen,

(3.) using the lowest possible dose of estrogen, (4.) having frequent

and

regular physical exams, including a pelvic examination and Pap smear

to

detect problems as early as possible.

 

Prevention

Menopause is a natural and expected part of a woman's development and

does

not need to be prevented. However, there are ways (both medical and

non-medical) to reduce or eliminate some of the symptoms that

accompany

menopause. "

 

 

PRANIC HEALING TREATMENT:

 

1. General sweeping with LWG several times.

2. Sweep sex chakra with LWG & LWO thoroughly. Energize with LWR then

more of WHITE.

3. Sweep the navel and basic chakras with LWG & LWO. Energize with

LWR.

4. Sweep the meng mein chakra thoroughly.

5. Sweep the ajna with LWG & LWV. Energize with LWG, then with more

of LWV.

6. Sweep the front and back heart chakra. Energize the back heart

with EV.

7. Sweep the front and back solar plexus with LWG & LWO. Energize with

LWG, LWB, & LWV.

8. Sweep the crown, forehead, throat chakras with LWG & LWV. Energize

with LWV.

 

Love and light, masterfe

[Guest guest]

Dear Marilette,

 

Please, how often should the menopause treatment be done?

Once a day, three times a week, or most specially during hot flashes

whenever possible?

Thank you

Marilia

 

 

> Namaste.

>

> Thank you for your email.

>

> Enclosed for your easy reference, a copy of message 995 written by

> Master Fe on the medical background and pranic healing for

menopause

> from the message board of group page.

>

> Love,

>

> Marilette

>

> Message 995

>

> MEDICAL INFORMATION: MENOPAUSE

>

> " Menopause is the transition period in a woman's life when the

> ovaries stop

> producing eggs, menstrual activity decreases and eventually ceases,

> and the

> body decreases the production of the female hormones estrogen and

> progesterone. It normally occurs between the ages of 40 and 55, is a

> natural event in a woman's life. On average, menopause begins at

> about age 51.

>

> The symptoms of menopause are caused by changes in estrogen and

> progesterone levels. As the ovaries become less functional, they

> produce

> less estrogen/progesterone and the body subsequently reacts. Some

> women

> experience few if any symptoms, while others experience various

> symptoms

> ranging from mild to fairly severe. This variation is normal. A

> gradual

> decrease of estrogen allows the body to slowly adjust to the hormone

> change, but in some women a sudden decrease in estrogen level

occurs,

> causing severe symptoms. This result is often seen when menopause

is

> caused

> by surgical removal of the ovaries (surgical menopause) or

> hysterectomy. (Hysterectomy or surgical removal of the uterus, and

> frequently the ovaries is widely accepted both by medical

> professionals and

> the public as appropriate treatment for uterine cancer and for

various

> common non-cancerous uterine conditions that can produce often

> disabling

> levels of pain, discomfort, uterine bleeding, emotional distress,

and

> related symptoms.)

>

> A reduction in estrogen is associated with a number of side effects

> that

> can be very annoying. Hot flashes, caused by an increase of blood

> flow in

> the blood vessels of the face, neck, chest and back, and vaginal

> dryness,

> caused by thinning of the tissues of the vaginal wall, are the two

> side

> effects most frequently experienced. The mood changes and lack of

sex

> drive

> that are also sometimes associated with menopause may result

> partially from

> the hormone decrease, but may also result from having to deal with

hot

> flashes and vaginal dryness. In addition to these side effects

there

> are

> others that may go undetected for many months or years. Decreased

> estrogen

> levels increase the risk for osteoporosis (loss of calcium from the

> bones,

> causing bone fragility), which sometimes isn't detected until a bone

> fracture occurs.

>

> Treatment

> Natural menopause usually requires no treatment. Surgical menopause

> that

> occurs prior to natural menopause may require estrogen replacement

> therapy

> (ERT). Not all postmenopausal women need to be treated with ERT.

Each

> woman

> should discuss her individual risks and benefits with her health

> care provider.

>

> To reduce the risks of estrogen replacement therapy and still gain

the

> benefits of the treatment, physicians may recommend: (1.) adding

> progesterone to the estrogen, (2.) adding testosterone to the

> estrogen,

> (3.) using the lowest possible dose of estrogen, (4.) having

frequent

> and

> regular physical exams, including a pelvic examination and Pap

smear

> to

> detect problems as early as possible.

>

> Prevention

> Menopause is a natural and expected part of a woman's development

and

> does

> not need to be prevented. However, there are ways (both medical and

> non-medical) to reduce or eliminate some of the symptoms that

> accompany

> menopause. "

>

>

> PRANIC HEALING TREATMENT:

>

> 1. General sweeping with LWG several times.

> 2. Sweep sex chakra with LWG & LWO thoroughly. Energize with LWR

then

> more of WHITE.

> 3. Sweep the navel and basic chakras with LWG & LWO. Energize with

> LWR.

> 4. Sweep the meng mein chakra thoroughly.

> 5. Sweep the ajna with LWG & LWV. Energize with LWG, then with more

> of LWV.

> 6. Sweep the front and back heart chakra. Energize the back heart

> with EV.

> 7. Sweep the front and back solar plexus with LWG & LWO. Energize

with

> LWG, LWB, & LWV.

> 8. Sweep the crown, forehead, throat chakras with LWG & LWV.

Energize

> with LWV.

>

> Love and light, masterfe

[Guest guest]

Hi Angie, Sorry to read of your difficulties,

 

I very much doubt that any one from this forum will be able to help you by

email.

 

This sounds like a cop out but it is not my intention. The fact that your

symptoms have been of such duration suggests that there are a number of

issues that need adressing and not just the menopause. for example your

hysterectomy was due to certain imbalances in your physical / emotional

perhaps even mental or spiritual. The removal of the offending organ did

not of itself remove the causes.

 

In my opinion you will be best served by looking up a local acupuncturist in

your area. Speak to a few and choose by recommnedation. otherwise go by

gut instinct.

 

salvador

________

>

>Hello

>

>I wondered if you would be kind enough to help me by giving your expert

>advise on how to reduce a few symptoms associated with the menopause, they

>are making me feel very uncomfortable and changing my life considerably. I

>am experiencing pains in my hip joints and as a result I am much slower at

>doing certain daily things such as getting in and out of my car. I have

>several hot flushes during both the day and night which make me feel

>uncomfortable when they occur in front of people and make me wish I could

>leave work and take a shower. Finally I am experiencing memory problems

>wherebye I tend to forget rather a lot, all of these syptoms I find

>difficult to live with.

>

>In 1994 I had a hysterectomy but my overies were not removed, I am

>currently

>taking evening primrose oil with vitamin E, glucosamin and black cohosh to

>help my problems. Besides these supplements I take multi vitamin B's, CoQ10

>and iron tablets as I do not eat meat. I would appreciate any advise from

>you that may help me lead a normal life once more please.

>

>Thank you

>

>Angie

>

 

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In a message dated 4/26/2004 6:34:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, petet

writes:

Gradually,

in spite of using vitamins, minerals and a " protein balanced " vegetarian

diet, I developed a laundry list of deficiencies and syndromes that took

some time to resolve. Human beings are omnivorous, intended by their nature

to eat both vegetables and meat, politics and fads notwithstanding.

 

 

IME, (In my experience), virtually all people who have been vegetarians

for more than a year, begin to have imbalances that do not correct without the

inclusion of meat.

 

When you take animals out of the food equation, what is left is a diet

that is biased way to heavy in carbs and the balance of yang goes down

dramatically.

 

In many cases, people become cold and develop candida symptoms or chronic

fatigue. Until these people warm up with the yang from meats, they go around

and around trying to find out what is wrong. I have seen a number of people

who were diagnosed hypothyriod and on synthroid and really all they needed was

to go back to a meat diet.

 

It is a challenge talking to a gentle warm hearted person with strong

beliefs about living the life of a pacifist and telling them one of he main

reasons for their symptoms is the lack of meat in their diet. It saddens me

when

the tears well up in their eyes.

 

I have had let people know it is my opinion that that they may get to

make a chioce of starting to eat animals or living on the planet, unhealthy for

a

less time. I have had people tell me given the choice of dying unhealthy

with a short life or eating animals, they choose death. Some people have strong

belifs about this.

 

My wife was a vegetarian when I was in school. What a mess she was.

Cold, tired and cranky. After seeing Dr. Wu, the herbal master at our school,

he

said, Ohhhh,, you need meat. All kinds of meat. Meat at every meal. Three

times a day.

 

She had a steak for the first time in years and she has continued to

become stronger and more healthy.

 

This seems to be he norm.

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Salvador and Angie!

 

Upon reflection I recall not eating meat myself for a few years. Gradually,

in spite of using vitamins, minerals and a " protein balanced " vegetarian

diet, I developed a laundry list of deficiencies and syndromes that took

some time to resolve. Human beings are omnivorous, intended by their nature

to eat both vegetables and meat, politics and fads notwithstanding.

 

I suggest to Angie: do a TCM differentiation on yourself or have it done

and apply the TCM dietary principles. This could include eating some small

amounts of meat. I certainly don't mean the way most Americans do with the

24 oz. steak dinners or anything like that, just some small amounts of meat.

 

At 05:36 AM 4/26/2004, you wrote:

>Hi Angie, Sorry to read of your difficulties,

>

>I very much doubt that any one from this forum will be able to help you by

>email.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

I understand your concern about generalizations. I can see how my post

could have been taken as an absolute statement of fact about a wide range of

people.

What I was saying was, in my experience, " I " have not seen people who

were vegetarians without complications over time.

I do understand that in theory, some people can live a vegetarian life

and be healthy, but it takes dedication to a life style that includes not only a

diligent attention to diet, but because of the level of yang available from

most of the veggie world, discipline of temperament and conservation of energy.

Unfortunately, I have not met a person who has the balance down to a

point that they are truly healthy.

 

Of course this is my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

 

Chris

 

 

I In a message dated 4/26/2004 8:53:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

zrosenbe writes:

Chris,

You have to be careful with generalizations. I've been vegetarian

for 37 years, vegan for several years at a time, with none of the

symptoms you mention. The last few years, I have eaten fish and some

eggs on occasion, so I don't know if I fit into your category of

vegetarian.

Also, there are different types of vegetarians. Do you mean totally

vegan, no animal products?

There are different types of proteins, different types of animal

foods (fish, eggs, dairy, red meat), and different types of 'carbs'

(whole grains such as quinoa through angel food cake). They have

different effects.

I know many people who don't eat red meat and are in very good

health. There are also people who do need some meat in the diet.

 

 

 

On Apr 26, 2004, at 6:53 AM, Musiclear wrote:

 

> IME, (In my experience), virtually all people who have been

> vegetarians

> for more than a year, begin to have imbalances that do not correct

> without the

> inclusion of meat.

>

> When you take animals out of the food equation, what is left is a

> diet

> that is biased way to heavy in carbs and the balance of yang goes down

> dramatically.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

As I have mentioned in a couple posts, lifestyle, and constitution make a

difference in the ability of a person to live a healthy life on a vegetarian

diet. It would seem that India would be one of the societies that would make

vegetarianism easier. A large part of the community is spiritually minded

with the goal of attaining peace and contentment. Perfect for a vegetarian.

The USA is a little different. The major part of this population is

striving to survive a dollar hungry environment.

It is my opinion that vegetarianism is a very difficult option to

maintain vibrant health in a fast moving and completive society, unless your

unplugged from it and really know how to choose your foods.

To recap, I have not seen a truly healthy long term vegetarian. Maybe it

is because I live in south Florida and honestly, there very well may be

exceptions on this list, but in my experience, in Florida, I have seen

vegetarians

become weak, anemic and cold over time.

Even people who are supposedly diligent in their understanding of food

choices, who have taught people the virtues of vegetarianism, have come to me

wondering why they feel so weak and tired.

I am not saying no one can do it. I am saying that I have never seen a

healthy long term vegetarian myself.

 

I don't want to beat this horse anymore. I am sure some of you know

healthy vegetarians. I agree with the philosophy of not doing harm to our

fellow

earth creatures. I wish I could live well that way, but it aint happening

with my constitution.

 

Be well,

Chris

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/26/2004 10:47:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

attiliodalberto writes:

Go to India, there's millions of balanced, well-tempered vegetarians that

are healthily and very happy. In actual-fact, in a broad generalisation, the

temper is often better controlled in a vegetarian than in a Yang meat eater

as your less likely to have Phlegm-Heat build up causing irritability and a

short temper.

 

I think that it isn't so necessary to consume Yang foods as we are in a

physical, human Yang world. Actually, alot of us are Yin deficient and get

lost in the Yang of our daily lives. Some people need to take time-out and

nourish their Yin of intuition and wisdom, rather than the Yang of hustle

and bustle as alot of us are living in an Empty Heat state of life.

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chris,

You have to be careful with generalizations. I've been vegetarian

for 37 years, vegan for several years at a time, with none of the

symptoms you mention. The last few years, I have eaten fish and some

eggs on occasion, so I don't know if I fit into your category of

vegetarian.

Also, there are different types of vegetarians. Do you mean totally

vegan, no animal products?

There are different types of proteins, different types of animal

foods (fish, eggs, dairy, red meat), and different types of 'carbs'

(whole grains such as quinoa through angel food cake). They have

different effects.

I know many people who don't eat red meat and are in very good

health. There are also people who do need some meat in the diet.

 

 

 

On Apr 26, 2004, at 6:53 AM, Musiclear wrote:

 

>     IME, (In my experience), virtually all people who have been

> vegetarians

> for more than a year, begin to have imbalances that do not correct

> without the

> inclusion of meat.

>    

>     When you take animals out of the food equation, what is left is a

> diet

> that is biased way to heavy in carbs and the balance of yang goes down

> dramatically.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Go to India, there's millions of balanced, well-tempered vegetarians that

are healthily and very happy. In actual-fact, in a broad generalisation, the

temper is often better controlled in a vegetarian than in a Yang meat eater

as your less likely to have Phlegm-Heat build up causing irritability and a

short temper.

 

I think that it isn't so necessary to consume Yang foods as we are in a

physical, human Yang world. Actually, alot of us are Yin deficient and get

lost in the Yang of our daily lives. Some people need to take time-out and

nourish their Yin of intuition and wisdom, rather than the Yang of hustle

and bustle as alot of us are living in an Empty Heat state of life.

 

Kind regards

 

Attilio

 

<Chinese Traditional Medicine>

Chinese Traditional Medicine

 

 

Musiclear [Musiclear]

27 April 2004 03:25

Chinese Medicine

Re: Menopause

 

 

I understand your concern about generalizations. I can see how my post

could have been taken as an absolute statement of fact about a wide range of

 

people.

What I was saying was, in my experience, " I " have not seen people who

were vegetarians without complications over time.

I do understand that in theory, some people can live a vegetarian life

and be healthy, but it takes dedication to a life style that includes not

only a

diligent attention to diet, but because of the level of yang available from

most of the veggie world, discipline of temperament and conservation of

energy.

Unfortunately, I have not met a person who has the balance down to a

point that they are truly healthy.

 

Of course this is my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

 

Chris

 

 

I In a message dated 4/26/2004 8:53:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

zrosenbe writes:

Chris,

You have to be careful with generalizations. I've been vegetarian

for 37 years, vegan for several years at a time, with none of the

symptoms you mention. The last few years, I have eaten fish and some

eggs on occasion, so I don't know if I fit into your category of

vegetarian.

Also, there are different types of vegetarians. Do you mean totally

vegan, no animal products?

There are different types of proteins, different types of animal

foods (fish, eggs, dairy, red meat), and different types of 'carbs'

(whole grains such as quinoa through angel food cake). They have

different effects.

I know many people who don't eat red meat and are in very good

health. There are also people who do need some meat in the diet.

 

 

 

On Apr 26, 2004, at 6:53 AM, Musiclear wrote:

 

> IME, (In my experience), virtually all people who have been

> vegetarians

> for more than a year, begin to have imbalances that do not correct

> without the

> inclusion of meat.

>

> When you take animals out of the food equation, what is left is a

> diet

> that is biased way to heavy in carbs and the balance of yang goes down

> dramatically.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have no problem with you or anyone else choosing ingredients in the

diet that one seems to need. My problem is with practitioners who push

red meat on patients when there may be other alternatives ( a gradient

goes from red meat to chicken to fish to egg to dairy to vegie

proteins, etc.), or who don't take care of their own health and eat KFC

or Burger King.

 

 

On Apr 26, 2004, at 9:00 PM, Musiclear wrote:

 

> I don't want to beat this horse anymore.  I am sure some of you know

> healthy vegetarians.  I agree with the philosophy of not doing harm

> to our fellow

> earth creatures.  I wish I could live well that way, but it aint

> happening

> with my constitution.

>

>     Be well,

>     Chris

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Attilio!

 

What is the life expectancy in India? Of course, it might vary from caste

to caste. That said, the Indians are culturally " used " to the diet and the

environment they live in. Western people do not have a vegetarian culture.

By and large, they can benefit by reducing meat intake, but not by

eliminating it completely unless they make a *lot* of other adaptations

along with the meat elimination, which they most likely can't do.

 

At 10:44 PM 4/26/2004, you wrote:

>Go to India, there's millions of balanced, well-tempered vegetarians <snip>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

I agree in general with you Zev. I remember someone else mentioning red

meat specifically and thought I would mention that I don't push red meat on

people. I do recommend an assortment of the options as they do have differing

effects. To much of any one meat is to much. As I use the term meat does not

indicate " red " meat. Rather it suggests flesh from animal. Whether it is

fish, fowl or any other critter.

We are lucky enough to have an organic meat suppler in our area which I

suggest as a good source. Publix, our grocery store offers Murray organic free

range chickens, which was a revelation the first time I sampled one.

Also, we can mail order buffalo which some people seem interested in,

although I am not sure anyone has actually taken the step to purchase.

In my life, I can consume about 4oz of beef every few days. More than

that and I feel a little stagnant and damp. The addition of betain HCL with my

meals greatly improves my tolerance. Unfortunately, lots of abuse early in

life has caught up with me now that I am entering a later stage.

25 years ago, I gave myself an edict that I would not give any money to

B.K, or McDonalds, KFC, or any of them. Not for a drink of coke, a bag of

fries or apple pie. I do not support their business practice nor the way they

present themselves to the world. I do go to Taco Bell occasionally. Once every

6-8 months.

My diet choices are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination,

however, that doesn't get in the way of my understanding of how diet choices

show

themselves in people lives.

 

Best wishes,

 

Chris

 

In a message dated 4/27/2004 12:15:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

zrosenbe writes:

I have no problem with you or anyone else choosing ingredients in the

diet that one seems to need. My problem is with practitioners who push

red meat on patients when there may be other alternatives ( a gradient

goes from red meat to chicken to fish to egg to dairy to vegie

proteins, etc.), or who don't take care of their own health and eat KFC

or Burger King.

 

 

On Apr 26, 2004, at 9:00 PM, Musiclear wrote:

 

> I don't want to beat this horse anymore. I am sure some of you know

> healthy vegetarians. I agree with the philosophy of not doing harm

> to our fellow

> earth creatures. I wish I could live well that way, but it aint

> happening

> with my constitution.

>

> Be well,

> Chris

>

>