menopause

April 27, 2004

Chris:

" Also, we can mail order buffalo which some people seem interested in,

although I am not sure anyone has actually taken the step to purchase. "

>

No offense Chris. I am a healer by trade and a writer by upgrade and am

always looking for that turn of phrase which has no compare.

I would like to enshrine this with the best from Kipling and Tennysom

and Khayyam and Fitzgerald, if you will so permit.

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April 27, 2004

Far less the word-construct

More so the buffalo-destruct.

Regards

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April 27, 2004

(Big Smile,,,,,,)

You got me. I am sure it doesn't take a writer to get a chuckle at some

of my phrasing and grammar. Probably a lot of head scratching involved in

figuring out some of my posts. Getting my thoughts on paper or email is not one

of my strong points.

I often count on the patience of my readers.

Thanks for the insight,

Chris

In a message dated 4/27/2004 8:08:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

aryaone writes:

Chris:

" Also, we can mail order buffalo which some people seem interested in,

although I am not sure anyone has actually taken the step to purchase. "

>

No offense Chris. I am a healer by trade and a writer by upgrade and am

always looking for that turn of phrase which has no compare.

I would like to enshrine this with the best from Kipling and Tennysom

and Khayyam and Fitzgerald, if you will so permit.

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

April 27, 2004

Hi Pete,

The life expectancy in India is alot better than you think. I think there's

a lot of stereotyping going on in this thread. You really need to go there

and have a look for yourself rather than reading the standard line news. I

had men as old as my grandfather running or cycling their rickshaws (taxi)

around the place with me in it. So there's no lack of Yang in them.

Eating meat is a relatively new thing for us westerners. It's only in the

last century that we could afford on our plates so often. Before that it was

a luxury.

I believe that our teeth have adapted to chew meat, we have developed

enzymes to break down the meat, but the intestine still hasn't evolved to

excrete the waste. Hence there are alot of digestive disorders associated

with meat consumption. Although this isn't in all people of course. I

remember reading somewhere that Indians excrete alot more waste than their

western counterparts, because of their vegetarian diet and therefore have a

lot less digestive disorders, like IBS or Crohn's.

Kind regards

Attilio

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Pete Theisen [petet]

27 April 2004 05:30

Chinese Medicine

RE: Menopause

Hi Attilio!

What is the life expectancy in India? Of course, it might vary from caste

to caste. That said, the Indians are culturally " used " to the diet and the

environment they live in. Western people do not have a vegetarian culture.

By and large, they can benefit by reducing meat intake, but not by

eliminating it completely unless they make a *lot* of other adaptations

along with the meat elimination, which they most likely can't do.

At 10:44 PM 4/26/2004, you wrote:

>Go to India, there's millions of balanced, well-tempered vegetarians <snip>

Regards,

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Hi Pete - you bring up an interesting point which is

right on and very important from my POV:

> to caste. That said, the Indians are culturally

> " used " to the diet and the

> environment they live in.

Very important.

Western people do not have

> a vegetarian culture.

> By and large, they can benefit by reducing meat

> intake, but not by

> eliminating it completely unless they make a *lot*

> of other adaptations

> along with the meat elimination,

Very true.

> which they most likely can't do.

Or won't do. Just like some people look for the magic

bullet and " can't do " a proper course of treatment.

" Kung Fu " = persistent effort over a long time leading

to true skill/results.

Also I need to add that I am lucky to live in

Toronto, which is very multi-cultural...so what do you

mean by " westerners " ? I know that in Chile, my parents

ate very little meat because of the cost, and they

carried that habit with them to Canada. I do agree

that many european-origin people may have some sort of

hard-wiring in them that requires them to eat more

meat...still, I feel that there's some sort of excuse

being made for the practice of eating meat. A lot of

defensiveness on this issue. Again, it is this simple:

Small medicine:

Pattern differentiation etc per the individual and

their goals.

Big medicine:

Pattern differentiation etc per the individual within

the larger environment with the goal of

sustainability.

Both attitudes work, and different people will choose

from these two options based on their desires and

abilities. I knwo that there are a few people (perhaps

too few?) who are willing to make different types of

sacrifices in order to protect our very real future

interests. Not eating meat, even if we end up with

less energy, even if we do it for only part of our

lives, will Reduce the Strain on the Planet.

Bye,

Hugo

> At 10:44 PM 4/26/2004, you wrote:

> >Go to India, there's millions of balanced,

> well-tempered vegetarians <snip>

>

> Regards,

>

> Pete

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April 28, 2004

Hi Attilio!

You know what I mean though, some of them live long enough, but nationally

they are not known for longevity - admittedly the lowest caste pulls down

the average number. An elderly rickshaw driver is most likely not of the

lowest caste. A traveler to India might never even see a lowest caste person.

It is my understanding that the lowest caste was not traditionally allowed

any employment at all. If any employment were allowed, most likely it would

be not where they would be in contact with people. After all, they are

" untouchable " , driven from their sidewalk sleep every morning with a blast

from a fire hose, for heaven's sake. It seems to me that this should change

soon, if it has not already. Persons living in such a social situation

would be old at 40, and might look to be 70 if they even lived to 40. If

the rickshaw driver was of this lowest caste, he may very well have been a

lot younger than he looked to you.

Chris posted a 4 oz figure for red meat, I would consider that the weekly

maximum, one small serving per week of red meat. Also, there should be one

or two small servings of fish per week. The rest of the week a person could

have some chicken one day and maybe a little pork once in a while. Some

days there could be not meat but another protein source. The problem with

Americans and maybe other western people is generally *too much*, too big a

serving of everything, but perhaps none of it very good nutritional

quality. Old habits die hard, maybe the person dies himself before he gives

up the habit.

I don't think that excretion of such small amounts of meat would be a

problem, assuming a good mix of fiber in the diet. The excretion problem

more likely comes from the typical huge quantities of meat and refined

carbohydrate that people get in the habit of eating.

There are charts about the TCM energetic properties of the various foods,

perhaps you have seen them. I have one I like from the Meridian Press, PO

Box 3, Totnes TQ9 5WJ England. I think in TCM all foods have their place.

In America, though, perhaps in other western countries as well, food has

too big a place.

At 10:01 AM 4/27/2004, you wrote:

>Hi Pete,

>

>The life expectancy in India is alot better than you think.

Regards,

Pete

April 28, 2004

Hi Hugo!

I suppose I was speaking mainly of the countries of most US person's

origins, IE western Europe. My family clearly brought their dietary habits

from the " old country " . You could hardly get off of your chair after a

family dinner!

At 11:59 AM 4/27/2004, you wrote:<snip>...so what do you

>mean by " westerners " ?

Regards,

Pete

April 28, 2004

--- Pete Theisen <petet wrote:

> from the " old country " . You could hardly get off of

> your chair after a

> family dinner!

A friend of mine is Hungarian and I was always amazed

the the supreme size of their meals, and greasy too.

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January 5, 2005

Hi John,

I have come to the conclusion that for many menopause usually has a strong

element of adrenal exhaustion. Menopause is the time a woman in western

society can fall apart with endorsement.

Particularly good points to consider are Kid pts, for example consider, Kid

7, 8 or 9 and Kid backshu. Palpate for tenderness and emptiness. Also Kid

16 and 27. And I would recommend very light needling, ie type of needle,

depth, short duration ie less than 10 minutes. You can also look at the

adrenal ear points as well (see Terry Olsen).

If you want more specific advice consider Kiiko Matsumoto book (see her web

site). She has excellent treatment strategies for menopause with DD

according to adrenal type and spleen xu type as well +/- thyroid,

incontinence, tubal ligation, abortion and much more.

If you look at it from a western point of view, then you are looking at the

relative balance between oestrogen, progesterone, testosterone and adrenal /

thyroid / pancreatic hormones (a little bit simplified I know). When women

are stressed they steal the progesterone which is off setting the oestrogen

to feed the adrenals. Then we appear to have either a relative or, real

oestrogen dominance. Add to this the high intake of soy and other

phytoestrogens, plus the plastics that act like oestrogen and we can have a

pretty ugly hormonal imbalance. Please realise that there are only two main

symptoms of oestrogen xu, night sweats and dry vagina.

As a last resort, look at the Australian Menopause Institute for your Px.

They offer over the phone bulked billed doctor consultations; use only

chemical identical hormones, including all three estrogens, their aim is to

have the Px off external hormone replacement within 2 years and they also

aim to address the adrenals. They welcome natural therapist to take case Hx

and to partake in the phone consultation etc and monthly reviews or Px can

do this direct. The hormones are sent monthly at about Aus$85 irrespective

of which hormones and how much, and if in the right medical benefits fund

can claim an amount back. If a saliva hormone test is required this is

bulked billed.

Now I have NOT sent anyone there yet, however, I am tempted to send my

existing Px who are on an artificial HRT programme. I would not hesitate to

send that woman, who was totally sleep deprived, loosing too much fluid in

sweats etc. or that woman who just does not respond to treatment.

Best wishes,

John Chow [vajra_master]

Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:02 PM

Chinese Medicine

Menopause

Hello all,

A patient is suffering all the typical symptoms of

menopause, eg., hot flushes that come and go at

anytime of the day or night, tidal fever, evening

heat, insomnia, profuse sweating, irritability,

fatigue etc.

Any nice herbal and acupuncture prescriptions other

than those very standard ones like Liu Wei Di Huang

Wan, Zuo/You Gui Wan, Tian Wan Bu Xing Wan, etc, and

KI-3, KI-6, SP-6, BL-23, PC-7 etc?

Would also like to hear actual experiences in treating

this type of problems.

Thanks in advance.

John Chow

Australia

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Kiiko Matsumoto book

>>>>How is her book?

alon

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I have really found most of her books to be very practical and clinically

rellevant. She seems to be most focused on giving practitioners info that

is useful in clinic as opposed to great amounts of theory with little

clinical effect. This is a huge plus for most of us who neither read nor

write Chinese or Japanese. I have also found that the concepts she presents

to have an east-west integration. For example, she has sections in her

latest text on Clinical Practice, which is loaded with western diseases and

treatment protocols. What makes her books different is that everything is

always confirmed with abdominal palpation and frequent pulse readings. I

love her work and highly recommend it for those who want to become expert at

acupuncture (Japanese style).

Later

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

> " alonmarcus2003 " <alonmarcus

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>Re: Menopause

>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:37:37 -0000

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>Kiiko Matsumoto book

> >>>>How is her book?

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November 21, 2006

I have found that Progest Cream from Emerita is delightful in that

regard. During Menopause, the estrogen levels decrease to 1/3, but

the progesterone completely cuts out. You use the cream twice daily

(rub into stomach, inner arms, inner thighs) for all but 7 days

montly. You'd be amazed at the improvement in well being.

, " lombardiasi "

<lombardiasi wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

> Could you please give me input concerning a problem I have related to

> menopause (I suppose). I feel alternately edgy and tired, have

> difficulty getting up in the morning. The morning is the absolute

> worst time for me. My knee hurts, I feel moody. What changes could I

> make in my diet, supplements, etc, to bring about an improvement?

> Thanks very much.

> meg

>

November 21, 2006

Hello Meg! Welcome.

Your condition(s) could be caused from not only " menopause " but from other

issues as well. Would need some more information before settling on a

determination. But in general, if what you are experiencing are symptoms of

menopause, there are some things you can do to help yourself. Understand that

menopause is not a disease, though it presents with discomfort for many women.

The symptoms you describe here suggest depression to me, but I am not making an

official diagnosis as I am not a physician, but a former nurse now studying

Wholistic Medicine. Do get a check up with your family doctor if at all possible

to rule out any possibility of underlying issues and then I would suggest, add

more fruits and vegetables, fiber and drink 8plus glasses of clear water daily.

I add minerals to my water-E-Lyte solution, 1/2 capful to an 8 oz glass of

water. Start or increase a walking program. Your knee, unless it's got a spur or

is damaged, will respond to strengthening by walking

on it. Wear a brace if need be until you feel no pain while walking on it.

Be sure you are getting plenty of calcium (liquid citrate form) with Vitamin D

400-1000 mg daily and Magnesium (which you can get included in your liquid

calcium..check at your local Health Food store). Vitamin B complex in a good

(powder) supplement works wonders on a woman's body. I can't do without!

Are you depressed? Have you long forgotten to nurture yourself with extra

care? Long meditations while playing soft music in the background and time out

just for you. Getting enough (quality) sleep is also crucial to coping! Set a

routine, keep a cool, dark comfy room to sleep in, don't read in the bed, don't

excersize up to two hours before bedtime, but do excersize. All very important

aspects of riding out the waves.

Best wishes,

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Hello everyone,

Could you please give me input concerning a problem I have related to

menopause (I suppose). I feel alternately edgy and tired, have

difficulty getting up in the morning. The morning is the absolute

worst time for me. My knee hurts, I feel moody. What changes could I

make in my diet, supplements, etc, to bring about an improvement?

Thanks very much.

meg

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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:49 PM

Menopause

Hello everyone,

Could you please give me input concerning a problem I have related to

menopause (I suppose). I feel alternately edgy and tired, have

difficulty getting up in the morning. The morning is the absolute

worst time for me. My knee hurts, I feel moody. What changes could I

make in my diet, supplements, etc, to bring about an improvement?

Thanks very much.

meg

December 9, 2006

, " solema97 " <solema97

wrote:

>

> Hi There!

>

> I am new to the group and until now have just been reading all of the

> interesting emails coming across on natural type healing. My

question

> is this, I believe I am going through menopause (I just turned 46)

and

> my period has just been irrattic lately with lots of clumping. Is

this

> normal for premenupause or menopause symptoms. Also, sometimes two

> peiods a month and very very heavy for 2 or 3 days.

>

> Thanks much for any info on this!!

>

> Donna

>

From what I have been experiencing for the past 5 years or so, I would

say it is normal unless you are experiencing severe pain of any type.

Mine has gotten to where I can no longer predict when my cycle is going

to start or end. I have gone for 6 months with no period and then out

of the blue they begin again; heavier bleeding, clumps, mood swings,

night sweats, hot flashes....all of it. However, I decided years ago

that I would never go on HRT. I would suffer first. Luckily, I found

a product called Estroven, the extra strenth formula, that eliminates

all the symptoms with the exception of when and the heaviness of the

flow. At least twice, I was freaking thinking that somehow the tubal

ligation had failed and I was pregnant. Worst of all however, were the

hormonal migraines I began to suffer. That was the only sure indicator

that a period was 3 days away. Estroven (which also comes in generic

forms from CVS and Wal-Mart) prevents the migraines as well.

Currently, I am 2+ months without a cycle and just waiting but carry on

and make sure I always have the proper materials handy, just in case.

December 9, 2006

Menopause is different for everyone. Sound like you are in perimenopause. If

you can ask your mother or sisters how menopause was for them and expect about

the same for you.

Susan

Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now.

December 10, 2006

Shepherds purse and Yarrow will help slow down the heavy flow days. Black

Cohosh helps with hot flashes. Chamomile and catnip tea will help with the

jangled nerves.

In the meantime just know that the ending of menses is such a blessing.

Peace, thyme

December 10, 2006

Jan.....listen to you and your body...no one can get you thru this but

you.

Nothing to worry about all is irratic at that point. If you believe

when you think it started most likely it did. Can last up to 5 yrs

usually not more. As time passes it will be less & further apart.

The last few years will be very light once every 6mos or so until 1yr

and no more. You can survive it if you can get thru night

sweats...nothing else is usually as bad and even that may only last

6mos...depends on time of year and climate. Stay hydrated and cool.

It was easy to get thru it with no other medications. Just

complicates it more in my eyes....doesnt really help much. If you

know what to expect you will get thru with flying colors....dont try

to please others thru this time...children and spouse will

survive...Take care of you. It will be worth the effort and the relief

is pretty terrific when it is done.

Have faith in you and no one else...not much can go wrong at this

stage in life...make up your mind & you will be fine...no one else

need know until they figure you are a survivor....and do not need to

go out of control. Being informed keeps you sane.

Good Luck

Linda

, " Jan " <oompdink wrote:

>

> , " solema97 " <solema97@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi There!

> >

> > I am new to the group and until now have just been reading all of the

> > interesting emails coming across on natural type healing. My

> question

> > is this, I believe I am going through menopause (I just turned 46)

> and

> > my period has just been irrattic lately with lots of clumping. Is

> this

> > normal for premenupause or menopause symptoms. Also, sometimes two

> > peiods a month and very very heavy for 2 or 3 days.

> >

> > Thanks much for any info on this!!

> >

> > Donna

> >

> From what I have been experiencing for the past 5 years or so, I would

> say it is normal unless you are experiencing severe pain of any type.

> Mine has gotten to where I can no longer predict when my cycle is going

> to start or end. I have gone for 6 months with no period and then out

> of the blue they begin again; heavier bleeding, clumps, mood swings,

> night sweats, hot flashes....all of it. However, I decided years ago

> that I would never go on HRT. I would suffer first. Luckily, I found

> a product called Estroven, the extra strenth formula, that eliminates

> all the symptoms with the exception of when and the heaviness of the

> flow. At least twice, I was freaking thinking that somehow the tubal

> ligation had failed and I was pregnant. Worst of all however, were the

> hormonal migraines I began to suffer. That was the only sure indicator

> that a period was 3 days away. Estroven (which also comes in generic

> forms from CVS and Wal-Mart) prevents the migraines as well.

> Currently, I am 2+ months without a cycle and just waiting but carry on

> and make sure I always have the proper materials handy, just in case.

>

January 11, 2007

Soy is not good for you except for fermented soy,

fermentation breaks down enzyme inhibitors.

non fermented soy products will inhibit the absorption of calcium, zinc,

needed minerals, and be detrimental to mental development.

fermented soy products include:

miso, tempeh,and natto.These products are the only ones recommended.

NO soy milk, tofu,or any other non-fermented form of soy is good for your

health.

Peace, thyme

March 3, 2009

, " turner5star98 "

<turner5star98 wrote:

>

> anybody know of a website were i can look up thing....such as

taking a

> mulit vitamins and estroven...thanks...

A great website on menopause is listmember Michelle's

http://holisticmenopause.com

It is THE place for any questions about hormones.

As for " vitamins " , I had a horrid time in menopause until I got onto

a whole foods supplement that contains ALL vitamins and minerals and

amino acids. I recommend several sources for it, depending on your

needs.

It would be much easier to just say " Company X is the best " , but I

cannot do that if I know a certain core product from company X is

available much cheaper elsewhere. I am too darned honest for my own

good, sigh. Ask me off list for details.

Ien in the Kootenays

ienvan

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March 3, 2009

ok thanks for your help...just in the begain of it,,,just dont know what to do..

monika turner

720-234-6723,

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Ieneke <ienvan

Re: menopause

Monday, March 2, 2009, 5:17 PM

, " turner5star98 "

<turner5star98@ ...> wrote:

>

> anybody know of a website were i can look up thing....such as

taking a

> mulit vitamins and estroven...thanks. ..

A great website on menopause is listmember Michelle's

http://holisticmeno pause.com

It is THE place for any questions about hormones.

As for " vitamins " , I had a horrid time in menopause until I got onto

a whole foods supplement that contains ALL vitamins and minerals and

amino acids. I recommend several sources for it, depending on your

needs.

It would be much easier to just say " Company X is the best " , but I

cannot do that if I know a certain core product from company X is

available much cheaper elsewhere. I am too darned honest for my own

good, sigh. Ask me off list for details.

Ien in the Kootenays

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March 5, 2009

Thank you, Ien!

It's important to remember that every woman experiences " the change " in her own

unique way. What works for one, doesn't always work for another. There are

different stages of the midlife journey and we each have our own needs, life

circumstances, etc. I like to get down to and address the CAUSE behind your

symptoms. Often it's adrenal fatigue, blood sugar issues, compromised thyroid

function, and the list goes on.

I don't recommend soy and/or Estroven for my clients unless they have reached

menopause. That means a full 12 months without a cycle. During perimenopause,

the many years that lead to actual menopause, the vast majority of women are

estrogen dominant. Soy increases estrogen and thus can aggravate the very

symptoms you're trying to eliminate. Also, soy compromises thyroid function

which is already common among midlife women.

It can be confusing, for sure. That's why I offer low-cost Personal

Consultations to address your specific needs and provide a comprehensive plan,

supplement/herb program tailored just for you, etc. Just so you know, I only

recommend products that are readily available in your local health food/vitamin

store.

Michelle

http://www.HolisticMenopause.com

A great website on menopause is listmember Michelle's

http://holisticmenopause.com It is THE place for any questions about hormones.

March 6, 2009

I was one of those lucky women who breezed through menopause with hardly a

symptom! AND I began menopause at 42!! Impossible! My Dr. Said. You could

not possibly be in menopause because you are too young! Never mind the fact

that I " knew " I was and that my once regular periods were now going haywire

and then after 6 MOS they stopped altogether. 12 months after first seeing

the Dr. I went back to see her and this time she did a blood test and it was

my hubby who pointed out to her that as my natural cycle had been every 3

weeks instead of once a month then if we are born with X number of eggs then

I will " run out " sooner than a woman with a normal monthly cycle. She had

to agree.The blood test ultimately came back with NO ovarian activity at all

Well I did try to tell her but she had chosen not to believe me.

So I think it is very important to realise that YES you CAN be in menopause

at 42! I'm living proof of that! AND I went through it symptomless and

still have absolutely NO symptoms of being post menopausal. I have NEVER

taken any form of hormone therapy, even after all my family Dr's since I

went through menopause have insisted that I MUST do it! Why should I?? I

have NO symptoms, I feel fine, am fully active and love life...if it aint

broke...don't fix it! Never mind the fact that nowadays HRT has been

proven to be far less " safe " than it had been believed to be.

I firmly believe that if we were meant to be fertile way into our senior

years then we wouldn't have menopause, and if you follow the natural cycle

of life we are born " un-fertile " ...we become fertile at puberty....we become

" un-fertile " during our senior years, so therefore we should not mess with

what is a perfectly natural life cycle by trying to replace what naturally

should not be there. Well that is my belief and I'm sticking to it.

Cheers

Lyndall

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Michelle

03/07/09 02:27:33

Re: menopause

Thank you, Ien!

It's important to remember that every woman experiences " the change " in her

own unique way. What works for one, doesn't always work for another.

Michelle

http://www.HolisticMenopause.com

A great website on menopause is listmember Michelle's

http://holisticmenopause.com It is THE place for any questions about

hormones.

March 7, 2009

I'm afraid the Dr. is wrong. I started into the menopause when I was 36 years

old.

I had a hard time with it and took a long time to finish it.

Joyce

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Friday, March 06, 2009 1:15 PM

Re: Re: menopause