Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 Hi I'm sure it breaks lots of list rules, but do you have a wholesale source that you are using or recommend for the fish oil? thanks, Bob --- < wrote: > I just opened a bottle of natural factors fish oil > endorsed by Michael > Murray, ND, who is very sensitive to rancidity > issues. It is without a > doubt the freshest gelcap fish oil I have ever > smelled. I was > pleasantly surprised as it is quite a good value as > well. > > > > Chinese Herbs > > > FAX: > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions./design_giveaway/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 where did you find this oil? Is Natural Factors the brand? < wrote: I just opened a bottle of natural factors fish oil endorsed by Michael Murray, ND, who is very sensitive to rancidity issues. It is without a doubt the freshest gelcap fish oil I have ever smelled. I was pleasantly surprised as it is quite a good value as well. Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 , Bob Linde <bob_and_robin> wrote: > Hi I'm sure it breaks lots of list rules, but do > you have a wholesale source that you are using or > recommend for the fish oil? > thanks, > Bob It breaks no rules I am aware of. try naturalfactors.com There may be better or equivalent products, but I just happened to stumble onto this one when looking for something to give to my 2 elderly cats. It is always OK to tout a product here, but if one has a vested interest in the product, that must be disclosed. If I find out that anyone is using this list for sales purposes by concealing their interests, they are banned. the posts from such folks never even make it to the list. I think maybe 5 such sales pitches have gotten past me in five years. Bob flaws regularly points out when BP makes a product that meet a need expressed on the list. Everyone knows he stands to gain, so its kosher. the line of demarcation is whether such posts address an expressed need or are purely solicitous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Hi all, as all Norwegian children was " force-fed " cod-oil every day from birth to 15 years, the effect of the oil should be traceable in the Norwegian population. Some years ago some investigation said that intake of fish-oil elevated IQ. If so, then the Norwegian population should be more intelligent that the average. Well, the thought is nice, but I don't think it is real..... Are Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ - Bob Linde Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:41 PM Re: fish oil Hi I'm sure it breaks lots of list rules, but do you have a wholesale source that you are using or recommend for the fish oil? thanks, Bob --- < wrote: > I just opened a bottle of natural factors fish oil > endorsed by Michael > Murray, ND, who is very sensitive to rancidity > issues. It is without a > doubt the freshest gelcap fish oil I have ever > smelled. I was > pleasantly surprised as it is quite a good value as > well. > > > > Chinese Herbs > > > FAX: > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions./design_giveaway/ Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 Interestingly, I have read reports indicating that the nervous system is made of approximately 60% fat. A large percentage of this being DHA. I believe the increase in IQ for taking DHA, is in over coming a deficiency. Typically the US diet is lacking in DHA. Certainly, baby formulas were lacking in DHA and breast milk is high in DHA. If you take a deficient diet and supplement, you will support the nervous system. If the nervous system already has an abundance of DHA available, then I would not assume you will still receive significant benefit. Chris In a message dated 4/10/2004 8:16:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, arethore writes: Hi all, as all Norwegian children was " force-fed " cod-oil every day from birth to 15 years, the effect of the oil should be traceable in the Norwegian population. Some years ago some investigation said that intake of fish-oil elevated IQ. If so, then the Norwegian population should be more intelligent that the average. Well, the thought is nice, but I don't think it is real..... Are Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 , " Are Thoresen " <arethore@o...> wrote: > Hi all, > as all Norwegian children was " force-fed " cod-oil every day from birth to 15 years, the effect of the oil should be traceable in the Norwegian population. > Some years ago some investigation said that intake of fish-oil elevated IQ. If so, then the Norwegian population should be more intelligent that the average. Much of the cod liver oil on the american market seems rancid to me. how good is the norwegian quality. cod liver oil concerns me because of the vitamin A and D content also. but perhaps this is unfounded. I don't know about intelligence, but I have no doubt that the modern dietary intake of EFAs is quite skewed from what nature intended. Even without evidence of heart protective effects and so on, it just stands to reason that fish oil is good for you (but only if its good quality). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 Hi, well, as I told ALL Norwegian children were fed good quality fish-oil, for at leasr 15 years (in the 50-, 60- and 70-ties. Now that has stopped, but no difference were seen, in disease or IQ, so I have lost much of my belief in such oils. Are Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ - Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:20 PM Re: fish oil , " Are Thoresen " <arethore@o...> wrote: > Hi all, > as all Norwegian children was " force-fed " cod-oil every day from birth to 15 years, the effect of the oil should be traceable in the Norwegian population. > Some years ago some investigation said that intake of fish-oil elevated IQ. If so, then the Norwegian population should be more intelligent that the average. Much of the cod liver oil on the american market seems rancid to me. how good is the norwegian quality. cod liver oil concerns me because of the vitamin A and D content also. but perhaps this is unfounded. I don't know about intelligence, but I have no doubt that the modern dietary intake of EFAs is quite skewed from what nature intended. Even without evidence of heart protective effects and so on, it just stands to reason that fish oil is good for you (but only if its good quality). Todd Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 OK, but then; why is not Norwegians more intelligent that other people?? Are Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ - Musiclear Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:28 PM Re: fish oil Interestingly, I have read reports indicating that the nervous system is made of approximately 60% fat. A large percentage of this being DHA. I believe the increase in IQ for taking DHA, is in over coming a deficiency. Typically the US diet is lacking in DHA. Certainly, baby formulas were lacking in DHA and breast milk is high in DHA. If you take a deficient diet and supplement, you will support the nervous system. If the nervous system already has an abundance of DHA available, then I would not assume you will still receive significant benefit. Chris In a message dated 4/10/2004 8:16:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, arethore writes: Hi all, as all Norwegian children was " force-fed " cod-oil every day from birth to 15 years, the effect of the oil should be traceable in the Norwegian population. Some years ago some investigation said that intake of fish-oil elevated IQ. If so, then the Norwegian population should be more intelligent that the average. Well, the thought is nice, but I don't think it is real..... Are Are Simeon Thoresen arethore http://home.online.no/~arethore/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 If I'm not mistaken, natural factors is a pharmaceutical grade fish oil, similar to Barry Sears' product mentioned on this list about a year ago. My concern is whether pharmaceutical grade fish oil is sustainable. Here is a quite from Dr. Sear's website. This is in reference to their " ultra-refined " fish oil, which I am taking liberty to equate with " pharmaceutical grade " . --- " Because of these tight specifications, the supply of this type of this fish oil is very limited since it takes 100 kg. of health-food grade fish oil to make 1 kg. of utlra-refined fish oil concentrate. You will never find this quality of fish oil in any health food store because it is simply too expensive for them, considering that ultra-refined fish oil concentrates are up to 1,000 times more pure than health-food grade fish oils. " --- Does anyone know how wasteful other good quality oils are, such as Phytopharmica/Enzymatic Therapy: Eskimo3 or Carlson Labs: Super Omega3, or hell, even a good quality Cod Liver oil such as that sold by Carlson labs? This is an important question since the general population is catching on to the trend of EFAs. We don't want our fish stock to go the way of Goldenseal. Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:29 PM cha fish oil I just opened a bottle of natural factors fish oil endorsed by Michael Murray, ND, who is very sensitive to rancidity issues. It is without a doubt the freshest gelcap fish oil I have ever smelled. I was pleasantly surprised as it is quite a good value as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 , " " wrote: cod liver oil concerns me because of the vitamin A and D content also. but perhaps this is unfounded. I like to use cod liver oil because it is convenient for me & it is easy to give to my dogs (who eat better than I do). My bottle of Carlson Labs Cod liver oil states the following: 1 teaspoon= Vitamin A 1000-1250 IU 20-25%US RDA Vitamin D 400-500 IU 100-120%US RDA Vitamin E 30 IU 30%US RDA DHA 500-550mg EPA 460-500mg ALA 46-50mg Vitamins A & D are fat soluble, & they are contained within fatty oil, it seems that the tools for their efficient breakdown are inclusive. Can someone who is educated on these matters comment on this? Also, is a 1:1 EPA/DHA ratio acceptable? The Natural Factors site claims: " A 2:1 ratio of EPA and DHA, as in RxOmega-3 Factors, has been the primary ratio proven in scientific studies reporting clinical benefits from the use of pharmaceutical-grade fish oil products. " Note that they specify studies about " pharmaceutical-grade fish oil products. " I am aware of only a few such products, & they may all have a 2:1 ratio (that may be all that was studied). Does anyone know if these or other studies indicate that other ratios are ineffective? Tim Sharpe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 All the good companies use so called pharmaceutical grade fish oil, that is molecularly distilled oil. By the way Metagenics has a nice product that is entericlly coated so that people that get regerge of other oil products can use. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 BioEssence also has a very potent fish oil product with one serving delivering 1200 mg EPA & 800 mg DHA. Barry Thorne _____ do > you have a wholesale source that you are using or > recommend for the fish oil? > thanks, > Bob Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 , " Barry Thorne " <thornedist@c...> wrote: > BioEssence also has a very potent fish oil product with one serving > delivering 1200 mg EPA & 800 mg DHA. > Barry I like bioessence products. I think your company sells that product, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 I am going to bet there are a few large fish processors and the rest of these companies buy from them. My recommendation goes to Carlson. AFAIK, they are one of the biggest producers do cold distillation and are conscious of oxidation to the point of adding nitrogen and anti oxidants to the bottles. A clear winner to me. Chris In a message dated 4/11/2004 6:22:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thornedist writes: BioEssence also has a very potent fish oil product with one serving delivering 1200 mg EPA & 800 mg DHA. Barry Thorne _____ do > you have a wholesale source that you are using or > recommend for the fish oil? > thanks, > Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Yes, we distribute the full BioEssence and MinTong Lines. Barry _____ > BioEssence also has a very potent fish oil product with one serving > delivering 1200 mg EPA & 800 mg DHA. > Barry I like bioessence products. I think your company sells that product, correct? Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 , " " wrote: About fish oils... The whole food ie: eating fish is always better than eating any supplement. This will not deplete the worlds supply of fish any faster than eating the fish oils plus as we all know isolating ingredients(as in herbs) we are missing out on the rest of the important ingredients. Plus it tastes damn good!! Stop taking supplements when you can have the real thing. Food is meant for eating not for popping pills IMO. Whew! San Diego still has quite a few hook and line tuna jig boats that home port there. You can get high Omega 3,low mercury, sustainably caught, fish directly from the fisherman. If you want names, websites and phone numbers please contact me. Many of the salmon fisherman I know here(pacific NW) will fedex your fish to you anywhere in the country. My disclaimer; I am a former fisherman turned acupuncturist and herbalist married to a part-time halibut and blackcod fisherman who currently has a Kellogg fellowship to work on sustainable, small boat fisheries and connecting fishermen with markets and visa- versa. He has endless info to send anyone that cares to email me. We have no financial stake in any of the boats or addresses that we send you as none of the fish he catches are marketed directly. Jill Likkel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 , " Jill A. Likkel " <jlikkel@a...> wrote: Stop taking > supplements when you can have the real thing. Food is meant for > eating not for popping pills IMO. Whew! I think you are missing the point. Many people have no interest in consuming the amount of fish necessary to get an adequate balance of EFA's. This discussion speaks to healthcare options, not best case scenarios of 100% whole foods diets. It would take basically eating fish as one's only source of protein. Options include grass fed beef and high DHA eggs, but for many these options still do not suffice. Paul Bergner noted that fish oil has actually been collected and used as " food " in many cultures and he does not think of it as a supplement anymore. There are also medicinal uses of many foods in TCM that require concentration and extraction beyond what one would use for simple nutrition alone. Fish oil does not just nourish in the long term, but has active medicinal values when concentrated. While we can work towards a world that produces more whole nutritious foods, in the mean time we need more options than to just tell people to eat right. Certainly one is better off taking vtamin C in synthetic form than not getting enough to prvent scurvy. The vast majority of the world gets most of their protein from commercial meat. That will not change soon. EFA supplementation can prevent immense suffering and fish oil can support some of this need. I also do not believe it is correct that there is enough uncontaminated fresh fish to feed the world. And while I do certainly have access to fish in SD, the prices are quite high for fish of any quality, far beyond the budget of many households In addition, who is to say that a diet of 100% whole foods is superior to one that is perhaps slightly less pristine, but also contains certain key supplements. What is the difference between taking herbs that have been extracted and made into pills or taking fish oil that has been extracted and made into pills. Both fish and plant parts are used as medicinals in TCM.. Modern evolutionary biology teaches us that species adapt to their environment for the purpose of reproduction. Nature has no interest in humans or any animal beyond reproduction. So the foods that nature provides are sufficient to produce robust teens capable of reproducing and livng long enough for their children to mature. There is no reason to assume that eating such a whole foods natural diet would be the best path to longevity and health of many decades past prime childbearing. I would suggest that the ability to survive to 1 century or longer is a productof human culture, not nature. and that culture has involved the use of various supplements and other manmade measures for optimum health. The question then arises as to when we draw the technological line. Is it OK to collect fish oil in a barrel, but not in a test tube. Ancient methods of processing altered the biochemistry of the substances processed to siolate certain properties and elimnate others, including toxins. Is this only acceptable when performed in some low tech fashion or are modern extracts just an extension of the tradition of manipulation of natural products that has gone on since the dawn of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 , " Jill A. Likkel " <jlikkel@a...> wrote: Stop taking > supplements when you can have the real thing. Food is meant for > eating not for popping pills IMO. Whew! I think you are missing the point. Many people have no interest in consuming the amount of fish necessary to get an adequate balance of EFA's. This discussion speaks to healthcare options, not best case scenarios of 100% whole foods diets. It would take basically eating fish as one's only source of protein. Options include grass fed beef and high DHA eggs, but for many these options still do not suffice. Paul Bergner noted that fish oil has actually been collected and used as " food " in many cultures and he does not think of it as a supplement anymore. There are also medicinal uses of many foods in TCM that require concentration and extraction beyond what one would use for simple nutrition alone. Fish oil does not just nourish in the long term, but has active medicinal values when concentrated. While we can work towards a world that produces more whole nutritious foods, in the mean time we need more options than to just tell people to eat right. Certainly one is better off taking vtamin C in synthetic form than not getting enough to prvent scurvy. The vast majority of the world gets most of their protein from commercial meat. That will not change soon. EFA supplementation can prevent immense suffering and fish oil can support some of this need. I also do not believe it is correct that there is enough uncontaminated fresh fish to feed the world. And while I do certainly have access to fish in SD, the prices are quite high for fish of any quality, far beyond the budget of many households In addition, who is to say that a diet of 100% whole foods is superior to one that is perhaps slightly less pristine, but also contains certain key supplements. What is the difference between taking herbs that have been extracted and made into pills or taking fish oil that has been extracted and made into pills. Both fish and plant parts are used as medicinals in TCM.. Modern evolutionary biology teaches us that species adapt to their environment for the purpose of reproduction. Nature has no interest in humans or any animal beyond reproduction. So the foods that nature provides are sufficient to produce robust teens capable of reproducing and livng long enough for their children to mature. There is no reason to assume that eating such a whole foods natural diet would be the best path to longevity and health of many decades past prime childbearing. I would suggest that the ability to survive to 1 century or longer is a productof human culture, not nature. and that culture has involved the use of various supplements and other manmade measures for optimum health. The question then arises as to when we draw the technological line. Is it OK to collect fish oil in a barrel, but not in a test tube. Ancient methods of processing altered the biochemistry of the substances processed to siolate certain properties and elimnate others, including toxins. Is this only acceptable when performed in some low tech fashion or are modern extracts just an extension of the tradition of manipulation of natural products that has gone on since the dawn of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Although this is a nice idea, it isn't necessarily correct. As you point out there are good grades of fish and other fish to avoid. So whole food isn't necessarily the best. Also, depending on the state of the persons health, taking a supplement of oil may be called for in over coming a deficiency or specific health issue. I will say that in healthy people, who have adequate nutritional reserves, that eating whole organic foods in a low stress environment is probably all that is needed to maintain health. On the other hand, the above situation isn't common. It can also be argued that there are compounds that extend life can be added in supplement form will heighten acuity and lifespan over just food. Many people given he opportunity of being healthy and having and the opportunity to a longer life with greater mobility will choose the former. God is great and food can be improved. IMHO Chris In a message dated 4/12/2004 12:15:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlikkel writes: The whole food ie: eating fish is always better than eating any supplement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 , " " wrote: > I think you are missing the point. Many people have no interest in consuming > the amount of fish necessary to get an adequate balance of EFA's. This > discussion speaks to healthcare options, not best case scenarios of 100% > whole foods diets. It would take basically eating fish as one's only source of > protein. Todd Jill: Perhaps I did miss the point. It sounded like you and the others that were discussing fish oils were talking about healthy people taking supplements as a matter of course. If people are ill then we supplement them with herbs or whatever until they are well and then they resume their normal way of being with some advice on eating healthier. As humans our normal way to get our nutrition and sustinence is through eating. I do believe we should be able to get that in North America. Todd: Paul Bergner noted that fish oil has actually been > collected and used as " food " in many cultures and he does not think of it as a supplement anymore. Jill: Fish oils were used as a means of storing and trading high energy foods, just like making cheese was used in many cultures. Eulochon grease(from the Pacific) was used also to preserve berries. Also eulachon are just about all oil. I maintain they were food not supplements. : There are also medicinal uses of many foods in TCM > that require concentration and extraction beyond what one would use for > simple nutrition alone. Fish oil does not just nourish in the long term, but has > active medicinal values when concentrated. Jill: True, but that can also be found in the fish itself. >:> While we can work towards a world that produces more whole nutritious > foods, in the mean time we need more options than to just tell people to eat > right. Jill: It is a good start though. : I also do not believe it is correct that there is enough > uncontaminated fresh fish to feed the world. Jill: Neither is there enough fish oil, and some of it is very poor quality. Do you know where the oils that you recommend come from? And while I do certainly have > access to fish in SD, the prices are quite high for fish of any quality, far > beyond the budget of many households During the season you can buy albacore for less $2.00 lb off the boats. We had people of all socioeconomic backgrouds come to buy our fish when we used to sell on the docks in Seattle. California(and the whole west coast)is now having an up cycle of sardines which are now mostly going for fish meal to meet the demand for farmed fish food. Some of it goes to oils and some goes to feed cows in Japan. Wouldn't it be so much better if people had access to this delicious, inexpensive fish directly? The fishermen are getting pennies for a # of these incredible delicious fish. Ask your fishmonger to carry this fish and see if you can start a trend. Even if the middlemen raise the price by 10 times it would still be affordable by all. > > In addition, who is to say that a diet of 100% whole foods is superior to one > that is perhaps slightly less pristine, but also contains certain key > supplements. Jill: slightly less pristine, no problem. The problem is when people won't eat right or even enjoy their food but are happy to take handfuls of pills. I'm sure the Spleen has trouble transforming that. What is the difference between taking herbs that have been > extracted and made into pills or taking fish oil that has been extracted and > made into pills. Both fish and plant parts are used as medicinals in TCM.. > The difference lies in what is considered food and what is medicinal. Food is what sustains us, medicines are what we use to regain balance, and then we(hopefully)quit taking them. Is this only > acceptable when performed in some low tech fashion or are modern extracts > just an extension of the tradition of manipulation of natural products that has > gone on since the dawn of time? > Are you ok with GM foods then? That could be an extension of manipulation of natural foods. Some think that is a great improvement on organic whole food. I know I am not ok with it. Great discussion thanks. Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 " Jill A. Likkel " wrote : >> And while I do certainly have access to fish in SD, the prices are quite high >> for fish of any quality, far beyond the budget of many households > > During the season you can buy albacore for less $2.00 lb off the boats. We > had people of all socioeconomic backgrouds come to buy our fish when we used > to sell on the docks in Seattle. California(and the whole west coast)is now > having an up cycle of sardines which are now mostly going for fish meal to > meet the demand for farmed fish food. Some of it goes to oils and some goes to > feed cows in Japan. Wouldn't it be so much better if people had access to > this delicious, inexpensive fish directly? The fishermen are getting pennies > for a # of these incredible delicious fish. Ask your fishmonger to carry this > fish and see if you can start a trend. Even if the middlemen raise the price > by 10 times it would still be affordable by all. In dry landlocked areas such as SD and CO and many others, this is just not an option. There is no such thing as a fishmonger in such areas. We can pay very high prices for fresh fish flown in (primarily available only in very expensive restaurants specializing in seafood - and those are very few here in Denver), buy frozen (still pricey) or canned (2 oz can of sardines costs $3+ here in Denver). To buy off the boat is something only htose living on a coast can do. The vast majority of us do not live in areas like that. Fish oil/omega 3 oil supplements is an affordable means of getting the nutrition we need in our dry climate. -judy saxe Judith C. Saxe, L.Ac. Qing Ting Acupuncture LLC Denver, Colorado (303) 964-1996 http://www.QingTingAcupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 , jude <jsaxe@q...> wrote: Fish oil/omega 3 oil supplements is an affordable means of getting > the nutrition we need in our dry climate. It would be nice if all animal foods were raised to produce high EFA's. then whatever you ate, you would get your basic needs. Until such a time, supplements are all we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 > " Jill A. Likkel " wrote : California(and the whole west coast)is now > > having an up cycle of sardines with all due respect. yuk. I would rather be a vegan. :-) tricky issue. this fish eating. I like some fish. you'd be surprised how many people think its all gross. usually some deep seated childhood trauma that ain't goin' away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Todd: " usually some deep seated childhood trauma that ain't goin' away. " FYI Deeply rooted childhood traumas can be completely resolved (I've seen them personally) with craniosacral therapy and somatoemotional release. Yehuda ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Another source EFAs is Seabuckthorn Sea Oil. It contains Omega 3 & 6 in almost 1:1 ratio. It also has many other health benefits. Barry _____ Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:47 PM Re: fish oil > " Jill A. Likkel " wrote : California(and the whole west coast)is now > > having an up cycle of sardines with all due respect. yuk. I would rather be a vegan. :-) tricky issue. this fish eating. I like some fish. you'd be surprised how many people think its all gross. usually some deep seated childhood trauma that ain't goin' away. Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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