depression

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Nutritional suggestions.... L-Tyrosine, DLPA, St. John's Wort, 5-HTP

 

 

Hello,

I am looking for naturopathic information regarding the treatment

of depression. In general I do not like to take drugs if it is not

necessary. Zoloft is being used for treatment, and I am looking for

something else that may not have the digestive side effects. I have

such a sensitive stomach, and don't want to feel like I have the flu

all the time!! Any suggestions?

Melanie :-)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Oops, replied to the wrong group....not new to Gettingwell......was

replying

> to victoria_dragon!

 

I'm a member of the Gettingwell list.

 

The use of thyme for bad dreams due to digestive system problems

comes from Western herbalism. Fennel seeds are used in both the West

and the East for allergies.

 

> > Hello, I'm new here and dont know much about TCM (except that

I've used a

> > few with excellent results), but I do know that spices in the

bottles at

> the

> > grocery store are irradiated, which strips them of their medicinal

> > properties. Am I mistaken about that? I'd love to be!

 

Some are, some aren't. I've used the spice section of the

supermarket with good results. I've observed that the powdered dry

ginger from the supermarket (which I used for ginger tea to warm up

and energize me) isn't as strong as the dried ginger I buy in bulk,

but it does get the job done.

 

One of my interests in herbalism is availability of herbs. Often

there is not a trained herblist or herb shop in a community or in any

nearby community. People who are just beginning to experiment with

herbs are not likely to go to the expense and trouble of mail

ordering herbs. But most supermarkets, even rural ones, have a spice

section where people can get the herbs fairly inexpensive and

experiment.

 

BTW, the Chinese consider food and diet the first line of defense in

staying healthy. Since I do have a problem with Internal Cold, I have

a collection of recipes using ginger. For a while Ginger Pepper

Steak was a real favorite. <grin>

 

And sometimes the herbs work best when mixed with food. I've tried

cayenne in capsules, but adding cayenne to food works best for me.

For others, the capsules work best. (I use a lot of cayenne in

homemade chili made with red kidney beans and a little hamburger.

Sometimes I add onion; sometimes tomatoes. I serve it over brown

rice.)

 

One year for Christmas I gave some relatives a gift package which

consisted of herbs and a booklet I complied which consisted of the

uses of the herbs and their properties and some recipes. I selected

the herbs in the gift based on certain needs they have. One relative

has Cold problems like me, so ginger went into the box. Another has

endurance problems so sesame seeds went in. Etc.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

where do you find L-Tyrosine, DLPA and 5-HTP?

 

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John Price

Gettingwell

Monday, December 02, 2002 10:22 AM

Re: Depression

 

 

Nutritional suggestions.... L-Tyrosine, DLPA, St. John's Wort, 5-HTP

 

 

Hello,

I am looking for naturopathic information regarding the treatment

of depression. In general I do not like to take drugs if it is not

necessary. Zoloft is being used for treatment, and I am looking for

something else that may not have the digestive side effects. I have

such a sensitive stomach, and don't want to feel like I have the flu

all the time!! Any suggestions?

Melanie :-)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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lookie13

Gettingwell

Monday, December 02, 2002 12:02 PM

Re: Depression

 

 

where do you find L-Tyrosine, DLPA and 5-HTP?

 

In any health food store.

Also look into SAM-e, Enada, St. Johns Wort.

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

 

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John Price

Gettingwell

Monday, December 02, 2002 10:22 AM

Re: Depression

 

 

Nutritional suggestions.... L-Tyrosine, DLPA, St. John's Wort, 5-HTP

 

 

Hello,

I am looking for naturopathic information regarding the treatment

of depression. In general I do not like to take drugs if it is not

necessary. Zoloft is being used for treatment, and I am looking for

something else that may not have the digestive side effects. I have

such a sensitive stomach, and don't want to feel like I have the flu

all the time!! Any suggestions?

Melanie :-)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On 12/2/02 10:22 AM, " John Price " <jhprice wrote:

 

> Nutritional suggestions.... L-Tyrosine, DLPA, St. John's Wort, 5-HTP

>

>

> Hello,

> I am looking for naturopathic information regarding the treatment

> of depression. In general I do not like to take drugs if it is not

> necessary. Zoloft is being used for treatment, and I am looking for

> something else that may not have the digestive side effects. I have

> such a sensitive stomach, and don't want to feel like I have the flu

> all the time!! Any suggestions?

> Melanie :-)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Todd:

 

The article also says: " It is unclear, however, whether the

psychological factors are the primary problem and the

gastrointestinal complaints secondary or, conversely, whether

chronic pain is primary and affective symptoms secondary. Multiple

mechanisms are involved in the pathogenesis of irritable bowel

disorder and involve the central, autonomic, and enteric nervous

systems. NE, 5-HT, and DA serve to modulate the motor, sensory, and

secretory activities of the gastrointestinal system. "

 

In different patients, the primary cause may be either psychological

or gastrointestinal, and will usually reveal itself in the pulses---

both need to be addressed in treatment. Most typically, when I see

patients with this disorder I find that they don't express their

emotions and often " stuff " or bury them in the gut; which is to say

that the development of the problem is usually psychosomatic and due

to stress. In IBS, we usually find a tight or wiry movement in the

2nd of 5 depths (a Nan Jing finding related to the nervous system)

on the right wrist connecting from SJ to LI. As the disorder

progresses or symptoms develop in the colon, the movement in the

Right Distal position will take on a quicker, more damp, and

inflated character showing inflammation. This kind of tight or wiry

pulse quality relating to nervous system is talked about not only in

the Dong Han pulse system but also in the Shen/Hammer system. I've

written about it in my articles and Hammer mentions it in his book.

In fact, for contemporary patients living in a highly industrialized

environment, this kind of tight pulse movement is more often related

to problems involving the nervous system (like IBS or muscular

skeletal spasms, etc.) than the cold finding.

 

It would be difficult to identify or correlate a specific

biochemical finding to a more generalized concept in CM since all

the biochemical information isn't completely known yet. But, there

is much overlap between CM and WM if you look at both from a general

systems approach.

 

 

Jim Ramholz

[Guest guest]

Debra,

St. Johns wort is not that great for depression... do a search in the messge archives for St. John's wort and then do one on depression, check Message 29189 for one answer.

Suzi *~Masters~* <brianna_revae wrote: anyone know good herbs BESIDES st. johns wort fordepression?debra

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she cannot use st. johns wort anyway as she is too

sun-sensitive to begin with and st. johns can

interfere with birth control.

 

debra

 

--- Suzanne Nottmeier <suziesgoats wrote:

>

> Debra,

> St. Johns wort is not that great for depression...

> do a search in the messge archives for St. John's

> wort and then do one on depression, check

> Message 29189 for one answer.

> Suzi

 

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In a message dated 4/7/2003 12:21:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, lisabelcher writes:

 

 

Erin, there is no such thing as a "chemical imbalance". This is a term invented by psychiatrists to justify their drugging and make it seem scientific! The chemical balance has never been established by anyone, so how can an imbalance be determined? Besides, psychiatrists NEVER test for a chemical balance/imbalance, so how would they know if anyone suffered from that?!!!!!!!

 

Lisa

I am referring to when chemicals become disrupted in the brain, as in too much dopamine can result in schoziphrenia, too little can result in parkinson's, etc. Serotonin or however it's spelled can also result in depression problems. Elevations or inadequaties with certain hormones can also cause psychological/emotional problems. And yes, they can test for these.

 

Erin

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Erin, there is no such thing as a "chemical imbalance". This is a term invented by psychiatrists to justify their drugging and make it seem scientific! The chemical balance has never been established by anyone, so how can an imbalance be determined? Besides, psychiatrists NEVER test for a chemical balance/imbalance, so how would they know if anyone suffered from that?!!!!!!!

 

Lisa

 

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ErinJC23

herbal remedies

Monday, April 07, 2003 6:18 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] depression

what kind of depression? Chemical imbalance or psychological? chronic or sudden? Severe or mild? manic/psychotic tendencies or similiar to SAD? Erin Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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I like how you have put this: about the possible chemical imbalance being another symptom as opposed to a cause. In fact, here are a few brief quotes from a book that back up what you say. The example being used is schizophrenia, but depression is also mentioned, as well as the ambiguity of research results:

"First, and perhaps most importatn, one should be aware that most of these abnormalities are nonspecific, since they may be equally characteristis ( or nearly as characteristic ) of certain other chronic or severe mental patients with quite different symptomology"

"Second, most of the abnormalities only seem to be present ( or prominent) in subgroups of the schizophrenic population: according to one estimate, for example, only 20-35 percent of schizophrenics show significant evidence of brain impairment. Third, some of the abnormalities seem not to be stable characteristics but to shift over time.

"And fifth, rather than being causes, at least some of these phenomena ( for instance, the number of dopamine receptors) may be consequences of treatement with nueroleptic medications or of long-term hospitalization.

"... comparisons between schizophrenic and nonschizophrenics -- on both psychological and physiological meausre usually show considerable overlapping; indeed, on some tasks the performance of the schizophrenics, or of certain subgroups of patients, can actually surpass that of normal individuals.

"But the functional changes in patters of brain activity can also be consequences of mental states, including willful or habitual mental activity of various kinds (known as "downward causation").( ... for instance ... cerebral blood flow )...

 

quotes from pages 384-385 "Madness and Modernism: Insanity in Light of Modern Art, Literature, and Thought"

 

I hope this helps.

 

Peace, Love and Poetic License,

Cathie

In a message dated 4/7/03 5:05:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time, lisabelcher writes:

 

 

My personal opinion is that IF they did find any such imbalance, it would simply be another symptom, not a cause! And psychiatrists do NOT test for such an imbalance when treating patients, never have done.

[Guest guest]

Hi Erin,

 

I agree with you that it is best to know the cause before treating anything :-)

 

With regards depression, you can check out this website: http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/. It has some excellent articles. Not sure if they mention the chemical imbalance theory. All I was trying to point out, was that that theory is just that: a theory, and not a good one at that. It has never been proven to exist, or to be a cause of any depression. My personal opinion is that IF they did find any such imbalance, it would simply be another symptom, not a cause! And psychiatrists do NOT test for such an imbalance when treating patients, never have done. I did read an article about this but can't find it just now - sorry.

 

Lisa

 

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ErinJC23

herbal remedies

Monday, April 07, 2003 10:58 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] depression

In a message dated 4/7/2003 2:26:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, lisabelcher writes:

You still haven't answered my question though. You mentioned chemical imbalances in the brain are valid causes for depression, and mentioned examples. Where did you get this information from?LisaSorry if I misinterpreted your response as rude. It's hard to tell with emails sometime. Typing can come off the wrong way to some ;)As for the information I cannot honestly point to a specific location. I experienced mental illness and depression growing up for many years, basically my entire childhood and until I reached 18 or 19, and learned about it that way. I have also read different articles on depression, etc. I can try and find articles if you are interested in reading them, I do not have any websites/names/articles saved.And again, I am not claiming to be an expert. I am more than willing to read other opinions/facts on this if you have them to share as well.I was just trying to share my opinion...I think depression can be from a very simple cause or at times a deep one, and I feel its best to know which it is first before treating.Erin

[Guest guest]

I'm new to the group and haven't had time to read through all the

other answers to your request on herbs to releave depression, so

forgive me if I repeat some herbs that have already been mentioned.

I'm going to give you the latin names of the herbs, since I am

Danish and do not know all the English names of the herbs, the names

in () are what I believe them to be in English. Following is a list

of herbs with which I have seen the best results in my clients;

 

Melissa officinalis

Turnera diffusa

Scutellaria laterifolia

Hypericum perforatum

Valeriana officinalis

Codonopsis pilosula

Panax ginseng

Eleutherococcus senticosus

Withania somnifera

 

~OakMoon~

[Guest guest]

egads. i think it's similar to SAD complicated by

hormonal. she's one of those moody kids but this time

the down mood has lasted a bit longer. she has ALWAYS

lived in the south, plenty of sunshine, now lives in

the north for her 3rd year. this is her first year of

real depression which is why i believe it is SAD

triggered. plus she just went off the pill a few

months ago after 13 years on it. so that's why i think

it's got a hormonal kicker.

 

debra

 

--- ErinJC23 wrote:

> what kind of depression? Chemical imbalance or

psychological? chronic or sudden? Severe or mild?

manic/psychotic tendencies or similiar to SAD?

>

> Erin

>

 

 

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she's never had issues with depression before. and she

doesn't have health insurance so she doesn't have a

doctor. she and her husband are having issues (he

drinks too much and is on prozac) and she's stressed

too often.

 

debra

 

--- ErinJC23 wrote:

 

> And also - I asked for an important reason. If

> helping someone with

> depression I would want to know if the depression

> was from them not handling

> stress well or from a bad situation that they cant'

> get out of mentally. Or

> if they are depressed for no reason they can think

> of, there is a big

> difference. Depression can be caused by outside

> influences but inside as well

> - imbalances, vitamin and mineral lacking, buildup

> of toxins, etc. It's hard

> to treat something without knowing the cause of at

> least the general cause.

>

> Erin

>

 

 

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I also have a few things to say about depression and chemical

imbalances. There is a ton of research out there to back this up. The

SSRI medications are based on how to keep more Serotonin free.

 

Many good Doctors DO test for low serotonin levels, DHEA, and

other brain chemicals. Most of them just toss a drug at the person and

tell them to came back in a few weeks and see if they feel better.

This approach works much of the time. Most of these tests are

quite expensive, so they are not done.

 

I also have been treated for depression since about 21, at 41 I

stopped taking SSRI and since them have treated it with supplements

VERY successfully. My assumption is that I am giving my body what it

needs to produce higher levels of serotonin and so eliminating the

" imbalance " that tormented me for 20 (actually far more)

years.

 

My reasonably educated guess is that the CAUSE has more to do

with environmental chemicals, food sensitivities, hormones and poisons

in the foods than the lack of St. Johns Wort or antidepressant

drugs in my diet. But the drugs worked for 20 years. Standard Process

supplements and good therapy got me off of the drugs, now I take

" Serotona " a combination supplement, and life is very good.

Herbs may be a mood uplifter, but give the body what it needs to

produce the serotonin and THEN you correct the problem.

 

Here are some article clips. If anyone wants them, I could send

them, they are too big to send to the group.

 

 

Cochrane

Database Syst Rev 2002;(1):CD003198

Tryptophan and 5-hydroxytryptophan for depression.

 

Shaw K, Turner J, Del Mar C.

 

School of Population Health, University of Queensland, Public

Health Building, Herston Rd, Herston, Queensland, Australia, 4006.

k.shaw

 

BACKGROUND: 5 Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) and tryptophan are so-called

natural alternatives to traditional antidepressants, used to treat

unipolar depression and dysthymia. OBJECTIVES: To determine whether

5-HTP and tryptophan are more effective than placebo, and whether they

are safe to use to treat depressive disorders in adults.

***

What is

SEROTONA

TM?

 

SEROTONA TM is a patented dietary supplement developed

to increase the natural production of serotonin. It is part of a

two part patented formula in research know as Neurobiology Formula

Part 1 & Part 2. Neurobiology Formula Part 1 is trade marked

as SEROTONA TM . Neurobiology Formula

Part 2 trade marked as NOREPA TM is

designed to increase the natural production of norepinephrine and

reduce allergic reactions.

 

SEROTONA's core ingredient is the amino acid 5-HTP, or

5-hydroxytryptophan. Additional ingredients are incorporated to

make 5-HTP more efficiently absorbed, transported through the blood

brain barrier and converted to serotonin. This stuff really

works to alleviate some truly debilitating problems and the following

references support results.

What is 5-HTP / 5-hydroxytryptophan?

5-HTP, or 5-hydroxytryptophan, is the immediate precursor

of serotonin. Low levels of serotonin are associated with migraines,

depression, anxiety, compulsive disorders (including eating

disorders), restless leg syndrome, fibromyalgia, low pain threshold

and sleep problems. Many people that are afflicted with one of those

conditions often have others, which has led some researchers to label

them collectively as " Low Serotonin Syndrome " .

5-HTP & the Basic Structure of Tryptophan

Metabolism

The diagram below is a rough illustration between the

relationship of 5-HTP to other important brain chemicals.

 

5-HTP Improves Mood, Alleviates

Migraine and Fibromyalgia Pain

 

 

cali.co.uk writes:

 

 

 

> Erin, there is no such thing as a " chemical

imbalance " . This is a term

> invented by psychiatrists to justify their drugging and make it

seem

> scientific! The chemical balance has never been established by

anyone, so

> how can an imbalance be determined? Besides, psychiatrists

NEVER test for a

> chemical balance/imbalance, so how would they know if anyone

suffered from

> that?!!!!!!!

It has never been proven to exist, or to be a cause of any

depression. My personal opinion is that IF they did find any such

imbalance, it would simply be another symptom, not a cause! And

psychiatrists do NOT test for such an imbalance when treating

patients, never have done. I did read an article about this but can't

find it just now - sorry.

 

Lisa

 

This statement is absolutely incorrect! Be

careful that you say.... And be careful about TREATING people. You can

get yourself in a heep of trouble with the law if you claim to be

treating someone, and that goes even more so it you are not very well

informed about the condition.

 

Punch Serotonin, depression, imbalance into a medical article

search and you will find lots of info. Sure the medical profession has

been very wrong in the past and will continue to be wrong for the next

100 years about many things, but if there was no " chemical

imbalance " most antidepressants would not work. and for many they

do. They worked just great for me for 20 years, they just never fixed

the cause........but then, I didnt kill myself either....so it must

have worked.

 

Mary Jo

 

 

 

 

 

 

--

 

anomie

 

" If ecstasy

is our true nature, why do we think we have to die to go to heaven? If

life is a celebration, why is it taking so long to get to the

party? "

Margo Anand

The Art of Everyday Ecstasy

 

Good health is

the vital principle of bliss.

 

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Pittsburgh

School of Pain Management http://www.painschool.com

Natural treatment for migraine

and depression http://www.MigrainePrevention.org

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Debra,

 

these issues together with her coming off the pill sound like enough to make anyone depressed! I can very highly recommend the Total Nutrition. The formula is in the files. As well as hormonal changes, the pill also produces vitamin deficiencies. The pill throws the body into a mimic'd state of pregnancy! So just look at it from that angle: she has to handle her body "having been pregnant" for 13 years! Replacing lost vitamins/minerals etc is a vital necessity for handling this, and will make a HUGE difference in her physical and mental state. She will then be able to cope much better with other things going on in her life.

 

I cannot find some of the ingredients for this formula in the UK, so I buy mine direct from Doc. I have just gone through a marriage separation which was very traumatic for me. When I started taking the Total Nutrition it just made a HUGE difference for me and I could start on the road to recovery then, and also help my son recover :-) So I have personal experience with that formula in a situation of depression/trauma.

 

love,

Lisa

 

 

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herbal remedies

Monday, April 07, 2003 8:21 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] depression

she's never had issues with depression before. and shedoesn't have health insurance so she doesn't have adoctor. she and her husband are having issues (hedrinks too much and is on prozac) and she's stressedtoo often.debra--- ErinJC23 wrote:> And also - I asked for an important reason. If> helping someone with > depression I would want to know if the depression> was from them not handling > stress well or from a bad situation that they cant'> get out of mentally. Or > if they are depressed for no reason they can think> of, there is a big > difference. Depression can be caused by outside> influences but inside as well > - imbalances, vitamin and mineral lacking, buildup> of toxins, etc. It's hard > to treat something without knowing the cause of at> least the general cause.> > Erin> =====»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»"I choose grace, I choose mercy, I choose love and all it means...." Twila Paris Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and morehttp://tax.

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Mary Jo,

 

The fact that you had to take drugs for 20 years and STILL had the depression, says it all, doesn't it ?

 

Lisa

 

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anomie

herbal remedies

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 4:00 AM

[herbal remedies] Re:depression

 

I also have been treated for depression since about 21, at 41 I stopped taking SSRI and since them have treated it with supplements VERY successfully. My assumption is that I am giving my body what it needs to produce higher levels of serotonin and so eliminating the "imbalance" that tormented me for 20 (actually far more) years.

 

My reasonably educated guess is that the CAUSE has more to do with environmental chemicals, food sensitivities, hormones and poisons in the foods than the lack of St. Johns Wort or antidepressant drugs in my diet. But the drugs worked for 20 years. Standard Process supplements and good therapy got me off of the drugs, now I take "Serotona" a combination supplement, and life is very good. Herbs may be a mood uplifter, but give the body what it needs to produce the serotonin and THEN you correct the problem.

 

 

Punch Serotonin, depression, imbalance into a medical article search and you will find lots of info. Sure the medical profession has been very wrong in the past and will continue to be wrong for the next 100 years about many things, but if there was no "chemical imbalance" most antidepressants would not work. and for many they do. They worked just great for me for 20 years, they just never fixed the cause........but then, I didnt kill myself either....so it must have worked.

 

Mary Jo

[Guest guest]

But the question you need to be asking is "Ok, WHY are my dopamine & estrogen levels abnormal?" The fact that you have those chemical imbalances is a QUESTION, not an ANSWER.

-Shelby

 

 

Although I do agree most things are caused by something, how no one ever heard of the body just malfunctioning, so to speak? : ) There are - what, 40? - neurotransmitters in the brain that can control mood and thought. Sometimes we dont know the cause - like small children who have mental problems and such and just seem to be born with these problems.

 

Neurological damage can also cause imbalances from what I've read and experienced (Actually I believe this is what caused all the problems for me).

 

Can hormonal imbalances be hereditary? It seems to run in my family with estrogen problems.

 

Interesting post,

Erin

[Guest guest]

But the question you need to be asking is "Ok, WHY are my dopamine & estrogen levels abnormal?" The fact that you have those chemical imbalances is a QUESTION, not an ANSWER.

-Shelby

ErinJC23 [ErinJC23]Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:02 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] depressionIn a message dated 4/7/2003 10:19:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, fenian writes:

Lisa, I too have heard of the information Erin speaks of... I can't point to any sources, yet, but I will say that when I was diagnosed with depression, they did tests on the levles of chemicals in my brain...Bridgett KinlochI had a lot of mental problems growing up as a kid as well and they also did tests on me. They said for one that my dopamine levels were too high, and my estrogen really low. I dont remember much of the rest. I know that sometimes for schizophrenia to tell if it's real there can be something in the blood to prove it or not. I do not know the name of this chemical though, sorry, my memory is not that good. Read it in a psychology bookErin

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I know lemonbalm is verry good for nervous and anguished conditions. it

clarifies the mind and relax also. It clarfies so much the mind that it

makes having lucid dreams, wich help to understand its own situation.

If she takes it in a tincture form, she has to start with the lowest dosage

and gradually increase, depending if she really needs to.

 

 

 

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> Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:12:20 -0500

> " S.J. Horner " <sjhorner

>Natural solutions for bipolar disorder?

>

>Hi all you lovely folks....

>I'm Sandy, a massage therapist in Wisconsin. Recently, after a very

severe bout of depression, I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder (aka manic

depressive illness).

<snip>

 

Hi Sandy,

 

I am writing in response to your posting to Bodymind. I have used Energy

Psychology techniques, such as EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique)

<www.emofree.com> and TAT (Tapas Acupressure Technique

<www.unstressforsuccess.com>), to clear a major depression which I have had

for the past few years. These techniques bring about gentle, powerful,

emotional release and can be used to release physical symptoms.

 

A colleague of mine, who is a medical intuitive, examined/'read' the

physical/chemical components of my depression and discovered that my body

was producing only 15% of the seratonin and dopamine required for balanced

health and that I had some damaged neurotransmitters.

 

I used the TAT technique to change my energetic system, thereby causing the

physical component to change and, in doing so, brought about the release of

a whole bunch of hugely charged emotional issues, all in about 15 minutes.

I then repeated the technique for my dopamine levels and to repair the

damaged neuro-transmitters.

 

I did not tell my colleague what I had done, but when she checked my system

a few days later she declared that my seratonin and dopamine levels had

risen to 85-90% and that the nerotransmitters were repaired.

 

Not being familiar with the technique she was amazed at how simple it had

been to use changes in the energy body to change the physical. Then again,

the energy body/aura is the template for the physical, and energy follows

intention, so when we change the energy sytem the physical HAS to follow.

 

That was about two months ago. I have never felt better, or as connected to

the flow of life.

 

I am a qualified architect, qualified massage therapist/bodyworker, and

trainer in Energy Psychology techniques. If it works I use it. These

techniques do not involve hypnosis, or trying to reprogram with

affirmations, or using chemicals to mask the problem. They are simple

energetic techniques.

 

TAT is graceful, powerful, and it WORKS! As a trainer and practitioner I

have used it with clients to release the charged emotions around childhood

abuse, panic attacks, allergies, old relationships...the list goes on. The

only limit to the potential of these techniques is your imagination. Go

onto the websites and find a practitioner in your area. You owe it to

yourself to try it.

 

I hope this helps.

Be Well,

 

Paul O'Connor

 

PS. The medical intuitive/healer is Dr. Elaine Woodall <PSI3600, of the Psycho Spiritual Institute in New York. She works with

clients on a one-to-one basis andv by phone.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Paul,

 

Could you tell me more about what you actually said in your TAT pose or the

set up phrase you used with EFT. I use these modalities all the time but

haven't heard of depression being treated this way. Its great!!!

 

Kate

 

At 07:37 PM 6/14/03 +0100, you wrote:

>i Sandy,

>

>I am writing in response to your posting to Bodymind. I have used Energy

>Psychology techniques, such as EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique)

><www.emofree.com> and TAT (Tapas Acupressure Technique

><www.unstressforsuccess.com>), to clear a major depression which I have had

>for the past few years. These techniques bring about gentle, powerful,

>emotional release and can be used to release physical symptoms.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/8/2003 1:11:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, gayekyc1 writes:

 

 

Clarifiction:<<<black pepper mixed with peppermint essential

oil is very up-lifting too, just to smell-do not ingest-but I can't find

it (blk pepper) anywhere.>>>>

 

This is black pepper essential oil - not ground black pepper! Sorry,

Gaye

 

Gaye

I believe camden grey has it for one at a good price

 

HTH

Erin

[Guest guest]

Geez, this sounds like my episodes with PMS...Maybe it is a hormone

imbalance. I take Evening Primrose for mine....but get some more advice

too....with both of you having these symptoms, sounds like it could be

something else...You need something that is " uplifting " ...2 or 3 drops

of lemon, pine, rosemary essential oil in a few ounces of distilled

water, put it in a spray bottle, & spritz it around the house...Add a

couple drops to your bath, Put a few drops on a hankerchief & keep it

with you. I've heard that black pepper mixed with peppermint essential

oil is very up-lifting too, just to smell-do not ingest-but I can't find

it (blk pepper) anywhere. Good luck, Gaye

 

 

Cheerfulness and contentment are great beautifiers and are famous

preservers of youthful looks.

~Charles Dickens~

 

 

 

Hello Everyone:

 

Can anyone recommend an herb or herbs to treat

depression? I'm experiencing:

 

crying for no reason

allowing past issues, live in the present. basically

allowing things I used to have control over or thght I

was over flare up as if it just happened.

loss of interest - not wanting to do things I need to

do. However it isn't the same for things I like to

do. If it's something fun, I'll do it, but if it's

cleaning the house and other things, like folding

clothes, etc I don't want to do it.

 

Unfortunately, my boyfriend is having episodes too

(crying for no reason, loss of interest)

 

Thanks!

Sugar

 

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