Cows Milk--What Chinese medicine says

[Guest guest]

Paulissa, I have a book called Chinese System of Food Cures by Henry C. Lu.

Heres what it says:n (seems they agree that mucous discharge is bad--but

maybe not all people have mucous discharge???)

Elaine

" Cow's milk for upset stomach, difficulty swallowing, diabetes, constipation

Cows milk-neutral; sweet and salty; is used as a blood tonic and to

lubricate dryness; affects the heart, lungs, and stomach.

Applications: Boil 1 glass cow's milk in 4 glasses water over low heat until

water is reduced to 1 cup. Drink it slowly on an empty stomach to improve

physical conditions after a prolonged illness.

--Mis 1 glass cow's mild with half a glass fresh chive juice and 3

teaspoonfuls fresh ginger juice; heat in a small pan. Drink to relieve an

upset stomach.

--Mix equal amounts of cow's and sheep's milks. Drink the milk as a

substitute for tea or juice to improve the physical condition of diatetes

patients and frequent urination.

Remarks: Cow's milk is not recommended for people with diarrhea or mucous

discharge. "

 

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<naturehlr

<undisclosed-recipients:;>

Monday, April 09, 2001 9:29 AM

[herbal remedies] A QUESTION ABOUT SUGARS & ALTERNATIVES TO COW'S

MILK

 

 

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I have a few questions for anyone who might be able to point me in the

proper

> direction as I can't seem to find the answers I'm looking for in my copy

of

> Prescription for Nutritional Healing; it's probably there-I just don't

know

> what to look for!! lol

>

> 1. I know that many of you do not ingest refined sugars, but what do you

use

> as a sweetener or in baking? I currently used Splenda but am concerned

that I

> may just be exchanging one toxin for another? What about honey?

>

> 2. Also, I am limiting dairy products due to their mucous producing

> properties which are problematic for my asthma. I do however, wish to

drink

> some kind of milk-NOT soy tho. So my question is this: Is there any cow's

> milk or soy milk alternative that does not create excess mucous

secretions??

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Paulissa,

[Guest guest]

I am interested in Ayurvedic medicine as well as

Chinese, and they also say cows milk is good- and to

boil it (not pasteurise) to make it easily digestible.

In India they will also add cardomon and ginger or

other spices to boiled milk- which taste great, and

also help with digestion.

I keep an open mind about it. I tried having warm

organic boiled milk each evening with spices added,

but after a while I just felt it didnt suit me,

although I didnt get obvious mucous( I have a

lymphatic type constitution though) I dont know if

that was my naturopathic training against dairy, or

reality.

I must admit, i suspect our cultures intolerance to

dairy comes more from the chemicals given to cows, fed

to them, injected into them, their diet, and the

further processing of the milk, along with a diet high

in meat, that has contributed to it.

In a traditional village with a family cow, where milk

is drawn each morning, and the cow is loved and

wandering freely- and eating well- I think its a whole

different story.

my 2 cents worth

love

peela

 

 

--- elaine davis <twobears wrote:

> Paulissa, I have a book called Chinese System of

> Food Cures by Henry C. Lu.

> Heres what it says:n (seems they agree that mucous

> discharge is bad--but

> maybe not all people have mucous discharge???)

> Elaine

> " Cow's milk for upset stomach, difficulty

> swallowing, diabetes, constipation

> Cows milk-neutral; sweet and salty; is used as a

> blood tonic and to

> lubricate dryness; affects the heart, lungs, and

> stomach.

> Applications: Boil 1 glass cow's milk in 4 glasses

> water over low heat until

> water is reduced to 1 cup. Drink it slowly on an

> empty stomach to improve

> physical conditions after a prolonged illness.

> --Mis 1 glass cow's mild with half a glass fresh

> chive juice and 3

> teaspoonfuls fresh ginger juice; heat in a small

> pan. Drink to relieve an

> upset stomach.

> --Mix equal amounts of cow's and sheep's milks.

> Drink the milk as a

> substitute for tea or juice to improve the physical

> condition of diatetes

> patients and frequent urination.

> Remarks: Cow's milk is not recommended for people

> with diarrhea or mucous

> discharge. "

>

> -

> <naturehlr

> <undisclosed-recipients:;>

> Monday, April 09, 2001 9:29 AM

> [herbal remedies] A QUESTION ABOUT SUGARS &

> ALTERNATIVES TO COW'S

> MILK

>

>

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > I have a few questions for anyone who might be

> able to point me in the

> proper

> > direction as I can't seem to find the answers I'm

> looking for in my copy

> of

> > Prescription for Nutritional Healing; it's

> probably there-I just don't

> know

> > what to look for!! lol

> >

> > 1. I know that many of you do not ingest refined

> sugars, but what do you

> use

> > as a sweetener or in baking? I currently used

> Splenda but am concerned

> that I

> > may just be exchanging one toxin for another? What

> about honey?

> >

> > 2. Also, I am limiting dairy products due to

> their mucous producing

> > properties which are problematic for my asthma. I

> do however, wish to

> drink

> > some kind of milk-NOT soy tho. So my question is

> this: Is there any cow's

> > milk or soy milk alternative that does not create

> excess mucous

> secretions??

> >

> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Paulissa,

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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I don't know a whole lot about it but from what I've read I think

the tolerance of milk according to ayurvedic theory is dependent on

the the person's doshas.

There are three doshas and an imbalance in one or the dominance of

it, specifically kapha can cause the intolerance of milk, likewise

the strength of another may allow the body to tolerate it.

 

just my 2 cents here and that's probably all it's worth.

 

cathy

 

herbal remedies, Shobbrook Susan <peelasacha> wrote:

> I am interested in Ayurvedic medicine as well as

> Chinese, and they also say cows milk is good- and to

> boil it (not pasteurise) to make it easily digestible.

> In India they will also add cardomon and ginger or

> other spices to boiled milk- which taste great, and

> also help with digestion.

> I keep an open mind about it. I tried having warm

> organic boiled milk each evening with spices added,

> but after a while I just felt it didnt suit me,

> although I didnt get obvious mucous( I have a

> lymphatic type constitution though) I dont know if

> that was my naturopathic training against dairy, or

> reality.

> I must admit, i suspect our cultures intolerance to

> dairy comes more from the chemicals given to cows, fed

> to them, injected into them, their diet, and the

> further processing of the milk, along with a diet high

> in meat, that has contributed to it.

> In a traditional village with a family cow, where milk

> is drawn each morning, and the cow is loved and

> wandering freely- and eating well- I think its a whole

> different story.

> my 2 cents worth

> love

> peela

>

>

> --- elaine davis <twobears@o...> wrote:

> > Paulissa, I have a book called Chinese System of

> > Food Cures by Henry C. Lu.

> > Heres what it says:n (seems they agree that mucous

> > discharge is bad--but

> > maybe not all people have mucous discharge???)

> > Elaine

> > " Cow's milk for upset stomach, difficulty

> > swallowing, diabetes, constipation

> > Cows milk-neutral; sweet and salty; is used as a

> > blood tonic and to

> > lubricate dryness; affects the heart, lungs, and

> > stomach.

> > Applications: Boil 1 glass cow's milk in 4 glasses

> > water over low heat until

> > water is reduced to 1 cup. Drink it slowly on an

> > empty stomach to improve

> > physical conditions after a prolonged illness.

> > --Mis 1 glass cow's mild with half a glass fresh

> > chive juice and 3

> > teaspoonfuls fresh ginger juice; heat in a small

> > pan. Drink to relieve an

> > upset stomach.

> > --Mix equal amounts of cow's and sheep's milks.

> > Drink the milk as a

> > substitute for tea or juice to improve the physical

> > condition of diatetes

> > patients and frequent urination.

> > Remarks: Cow's milk is not recommended for people

> > with diarrhea or mucous

> > discharge. "

> >

> > -

> > <naturehlr@a...>

> > <undisclosed-recipients:;>

> > Monday, April 09, 2001 9:29 AM

> > [herbal remedies] A QUESTION ABOUT SUGARS &

> > ALTERNATIVES TO COW'S

> > MILK

> >

> >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > I have a few questions for anyone who might be

> > able to point me in the

> > proper

> > > direction as I can't seem to find the answers I'm

> > looking for in my copy

> > of

> > > Prescription for Nutritional Healing; it's

> > probably there-I just don't

> > know

> > > what to look for!! lol

> > >

> > > 1. I know that many of you do not ingest refined

> > sugars, but what do you

> > use

> > > as a sweetener or in baking? I currently used

> > Splenda but am concerned

> > that I

> > > may just be exchanging one toxin for another? What

> > about honey?

> > >

> > > 2. Also, I am limiting dairy products due to

> > their mucous producing

> > > properties which are problematic for my asthma. I

> > do however, wish to

> > drink

> > > some kind of milk-NOT soy tho. So my question is

> > this: Is there any cow's

> > > milk or soy milk alternative that does not create

> > excess mucous

> > secretions??

> > >

> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Paulissa,

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> Get email at your own domain with Mail.

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[Guest guest]

My Grandmother used to boil milk for her calves that had scours. She would just use the milk from the store. So must be the boiling process? Patty

 

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Shobbrook Susan

herbal remedies

Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:31 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Cows Milk--What Chinese medicine says

I am interested in Ayurvedic medicine as well asChinese, and they also say cows milk is good- and toboil it (not pasteurise) to make it easily digestible.

[Guest guest]

Peela,

 

Ginger and Cardamon in milk sounds yummy. Will have to try it sometime.

 

We get milk from a very healthy, beautiful cow that belongs lives on a farm

down the road from us and the owners that take

as good a care of their animals as their kids. This cow is a Gurnsey named

Cherokee and is free to roam. They get 5 gallons of milk a day and we get the

raw milk very fresh. It is so excellent and guests that come to visit can't keep

from raving about the milk.

 

So I couldn't agree with you more on all of your points!

 

Valorie

 

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Shobbrook Susan

herbal remedies

Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:31 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Cows Milk--What Chinese medicine says

I am interested in Ayurvedic medicine as well asChinese, and they also say cows milk is good- and toboil it (not pasteurise) to make it easily digestible.In India they will also add cardomon and ginger orother spices to boiled milk- which taste great, andalso help with digestion.I keep an open mind about it. I tried having warmorganic boiled milk each evening with spices added,but after a while I just felt it didnt suit me,although I didnt get obvious mucous( I have alymphatic type constitution though) I dont know ifthat was my naturopathic training against dairy, orreality.I must admit, i suspect our cultures intolerance todairy comes more from the chemicals given to cows, fedto them, injected into them, their diet, and thefurther processing of the milk, along with a diet highin meat, that has contributed to it.In a traditional village with a family cow, where milkis drawn each morning, and the cow is loved andwandering freely- and eating well- I think its a wholedifferent story.my 2 cents worthlovepeela--- elaine davis <twobears wrote:> Paulissa, I have a book called Chinese System of> Food Cures by Henry C. Lu.> Heres what it says:n (seems they agree that mucous> discharge is bad--but> maybe not all people have mucous discharge???)> Elaine> "Cow's milk for upset stomach, difficulty> swallowing, diabetes, constipation> Cows milk-neutral; sweet and salty; is used as a> blood tonic and to> lubricate dryness; affects the heart, lungs, and> stomach.> Applications: Boil 1 glass cow's milk in 4 glasses> water over low heat until> water is reduced to 1 cup. Drink it slowly on an> empty stomach to improve> physical conditions after a prolonged illness.> --Mis 1 glass cow's mild with half a glass fresh> chive juice and 3> teaspoonfuls fresh ginger juice; heat in a small> pan. Drink to relieve an> upset stomach.> --Mix equal amounts of cow's and sheep's milks.> Drink the milk as a> substitute for tea or juice to improve the physical> condition of diatetes> patients and frequent urination.> Remarks: Cow's milk is not recommended for people> with diarrhea or mucous> discharge."> > -> <naturehlr> <undisclosed-recipients:;>> Monday, April 09, 2001 9:29 AM> [herbal remedies] A QUESTION ABOUT SUGARS & > ALTERNATIVES TO COW'S> MILK> > > > Hi Everyone,> >> > I have a few questions for anyone who might be> able to point me in the> proper> > direction as I can't seem to find the answers I'm> looking for in my copy> of> > Prescription for Nutritional Healing; it's> probably there-I just don't> know> > what to look for!! lol> >> > 1. I know that many of you do not ingest refined> sugars, but what do you> use> > as a sweetener or in baking? I currently used> Splenda but am concerned> that I> > may just be exchanging one toxin for another? What> about honey?> >> > 2. Also, I am limiting dairy products due to> their mucous producing> > properties which are problematic for my asthma. I> do however, wish to> drink> > some kind of milk-NOT soy tho. So my question is> this: Is there any cow's> > milk or soy milk alternative that does not create> excess mucous> secretions??> >> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.> >> > Paulissa,> > > > Get email at your own domain with Mail. http://personal.mail./Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

OK, OK you got me curious ;o)

What are doshas and kaphas and what is their relationship to cow's milk??? )

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

I don't know a whole lot about it but from what I've read I think the tolerance of milk according to ayurvedic theory is dependent on the the person's doshas.There are three doshas and an imbalance in one or the dominance of it, specifically kapha can cause the intolerance of milk, likewise the strength of another may allow the body to tolerate it. just my 2 cents here and that's probably all it's worth. cathy

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies, " Ian Shillington N.D. "

<Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote:

> OK, OK you got me curious ;o)

> What are doshas and kaphas and what is their relationship to cow's

> milk??? )

> Love,

> Doc

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 505-772-5889

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

 

Ian,

 

I had to put some information together on ayervedic theory a while

back for some work I was doing. So in answer to your question, here

is a brief explanation from the material I put together and then my

thoughts in relation to cows milk. Just my opinion. Hope this answers

your question.

 

Cathy

 

 

In Ayurveda we relate our body as a composition of the great elements

of the universe. There are five elements of the universe, air, space,

fire, water, and earth. They are different energies in constant

movement and always supporting one another. All the living elements

are divided into three groups, Vatta, Pitta, and Kapha. These

groups are called " body types " or, in ayurvedic terms, " doshas " .

The human constitution consists of all three body types.

Ideally, we would like to have our doshas in balance. Due to

environmental, social, and cultural factors doshas interact with each

other differently creating a dominance of one over the other.

There are physical and psychological characteristics of each

dosha.. Vatta body types contain more air and space energy. They are

very active and they move quickly. Pitta body types have more fire

and water energy. They are elusive and penetrating. Kapha types

have water and earth elements. They are solid, substantial.

The universe has six original tastes: sweet, sour, salty, bitter,

pungent, and astringent. Each taste delivers a message to the body.

Every dosha can be balanced by using the proper combination of these

tastes.

The sweet taste, increases bodily tissues, nourishes and

comforts the body, and relieves hunger. The sour taste aids in

digestion and the elimination of wastes. The pungent taste

stimulates appetite, and maintains the metabolism and balance of

secretions in the body. The salty taste cleanses the bodily tissues

and activates digestion. The bitter taste detoxifies, tones the

organs, cleanses the liver, and aids the skin. The astringent taste

heals the body.

By educating ourselves about our bodies in relation to the universe

all vital forces will live harmoniously.

 

Sooo, my thoughts are, if kapha is dominant then the body tends to

hold onto and absorb and not release as easily which is

characteristic as stated above. What I am thinking, not sure if I'm

absolutely right but in the ballpark, is that an imbalance of kapha

will react to cows milk negatively as opposed to a body constitution

where kapha is less dominant. It will not be able to digest milk as

easily and will create mucous in the system.

 

 

Very good books on this subject are:

 

Ayurveda, A Life of Balance by Maya Tiwari

Perfect Health by Deepak Chopra, MD

Ayurveda, The Science of Self-Healing, by Vasant Lad, MD

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know a whole lot about it but from what I've read I think

> the tolerance of milk according to ayurvedic theory is dependent

on

> the the person's doshas.

> There are three doshas and an imbalance in one or the dominance of

> it, specifically kapha can cause the intolerance of milk, likewise

> the strength of another may allow the body to tolerate it.

>

> just my 2 cents here and that's probably all it's worth.

>

> cathy

[Guest guest]

I agree Cathy, from my Ayurvedic study, they encourage

Vata types, who are light and dry, to eat oily and

heavy foods and dairy products, but a Kapha type, who

is naturally heavier and softer and moist already,

will develop mucous with much dairy and needs to stay

with lighter dryer food.

Excess weight is a kapha sign, as is any mucous

condition.

Even though we all may fall into one or a mixture of

the doshas (Vata, Vata-Pitta, Pitta- Vata, Pitta-

Kapha etc) there may be stages in ones life, or

particular illnesses which reflect other doshas which

need to be balanced.

The dosha they always say is the first to go out of

balance is Vata, (and in our society, stress and a

fast paced life will do it, also mental over

stimulation). Rubbing yourself all over with sesame

oil before a shower in the morning will help balance

Vata- and I often do it,( I am a vata type anyway)

because just taking the time to do that slows me right

down and it feels so good!

I first learned about it all from Deepak Chopra's book

Perfect Health, which I recommend as an easy to read

book. although he pushes TM a bit (not too much) I

also learnt a lot from the internet.

love

peela

 

> characteristic as stated above. What I am thinking,

> not sure if I'm

> absolutely right but in the ballpark, is that an

> imbalance of kapha

> will react to cows milk negatively as opposed to a

> body constitution

> where kapha is less dominant. It will not be able

> to digest milk as

> easily and will create mucous in the system.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the data Cathy. It never ceases to amaze me how many different viewpoints are out there.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

Ian, I had to put some information together on ayervedic theory a while back for some work I was doing. So in answer to your question, here is a brief explanation from the material I put together and then my thoughts in relation to cows milk. Just my opinion. Hope this answers your question.

CathyIn Ayurveda we relate our body as a composition of the great elements of the universe. There are five elements of the universe, air, space, fire, water, and earth. They are different energies in constant movement and always supporting one another. All the living elements are divided into three groups, Vatta, Pitta, and Kapha. These groups are called "body types" or, in ayurvedic terms, "doshas". The human constitution consists of all three body types. Ideally, we would like to have our doshas in balance. Due to environmental, social, and cultural factors doshas interact with each other differently creating a dominance of one over the other. There are physical and psychological characteristics of each dosha.. Vatta body types contain more air and space energy. They are very active and they move quickly. Pitta body types have more fire and water energy. They are elusive and penetrating. Kapha types have water and earth elements. They are solid, substantial. The universe has six original tastes: sweet, sour, salty, bitter, pungent, and astringent. Each taste delivers a message to the body. Every dosha can be balanced by using the proper combination of these tastes. The sweet taste, increases bodily tissues, nourishes and comforts the body, and relieves hunger. The sour taste aids in digestion and the elimination of wastes. The pungent taste stimulates appetite, and maintains the metabolism and balance of secretions in the body. The salty taste cleanses the bodily tissues and activates digestion. The bitter taste detoxifies, tones the organs, cleanses the liver, and aids the skin. The astringent taste heals the body. By educating ourselves about our bodies in relation to the universe all vital forces will live harmoniously.Sooo, my thoughts are, if kapha is dominant then the body tends to hold onto and absorb and not release as easily which is characteristic as stated above. What I am thinking, not sure if I'm absolutely right but in the ballpark, is that an imbalance of kapha will react to cows milk negatively as opposed to a body constitution where kapha is less dominant. It will not be able to digest milk as easily and will create mucous in the system. Very good books on this subject are:Ayurveda, A Life of Balance by Maya TiwariPerfect Health by Deepak Chopra, MDAyurveda, The Science of Self-Healing, by Vasant Lad, MD

[Guest guest]

Yes I agree, that's what makes life so cool don't you think?

 

 

Cathy

 

 

 

herbal remedies, " Ian Shillington N.D. "

<Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote:

> Thanks for the data Cathy. It never ceases to amaze me how many

> different viewpoints are out there.

>

> Love,

>

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 505-772-5889

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

> Ian, I had to put some information together on ayervedic theory a

> while

> back for some work I was doing. So in answer to your question,

here

> is a brief explanation from the material I put together and then

my

> thoughts in relation to cows milk. Just my opinion. Hope this

answers

> your question.

>

> Cathy

>

>

> In Ayurveda we relate our body as a composition of the great

elements

> of the universe. There are five elements of the universe, air,

space,

> fire, water, and earth. They are different energies in constant

> movement and always supporting one another. All the living

elements

> are divided into three groups, Vatta, Pitta, and Kapha. These

> groups are called " body types " or, in ayurvedic terms, " doshas " .

> The human constitution consists of all three body types.

> Ideally, we would like to have our doshas in balance. Due to

> environmental, social, and cultural factors doshas interact with

each

> other differently creating a dominance of one over the other.

> There are physical and psychological characteristics of each

> dosha.. Vatta body types contain more air and space energy. They

are

> very active and they move quickly. Pitta body types have more

fire

> and water energy. They are elusive and penetrating. Kapha types

> have water and earth elements. They are solid, substantial.

> The universe has six original tastes: sweet, sour, salty, bitter,

> pungent, and astringent. Each taste delivers a message to the

body.

> Every dosha can be balanced by using the proper combination of

these

> tastes.

> The sweet taste, increases bodily tissues, nourishes and

> comforts the body, and relieves hunger. The sour taste aids in

> digestion and the elimination of wastes. The pungent taste

> stimulates appetite, and maintains the metabolism and balance of

> secretions in the body. The salty taste cleanses the bodily

tissues

> and activates digestion. The bitter taste detoxifies, tones the

> organs, cleanses the liver, and aids the skin. The astringent

taste

> heals the body.

> By educating ourselves about our bodies in relation to the

universe

> all vital forces will live harmoniously.

>

> Sooo, my thoughts are, if kapha is dominant then the body tends to

> hold onto and absorb and not release as easily which is

> characteristic as stated above. What I am thinking, not sure if

I'm

> absolutely right but in the ballpark, is that an imbalance of

kapha

> will react to cows milk negatively as opposed to a body

constitution

> where kapha is less dominant. It will not be able to digest milk

as

> easily and will create mucous in the system.

>

>

> Very good books on this subject are:

>

> Ayurveda, A Life of Balance by Maya Tiwari

> Perfect Health by Deepak Chopra, MD

> Ayurveda, The Science of Self-Healing, by Vasant Lad, MD

[Guest guest]

Mooooost definitely ;o)

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

Yes I agree, that's what makes life so cool don't you think? Cathy