The continual osteoporosis debate continues...

[Guest guest]

Not to stir up the suddenly sleeping hornets nest of confusion, but Greg has

brought up some good points, and is closer to being a " DR. " than I'll ever be,

but without the proper calcium intake, w/o the proper ratio of magnesium and the

addition of vitamin D (which in actuality is more of a hormone than a vitamin in

action) at the very least, HRT, drugs etc., are worthless; as phosphorous (from

proteins and sodas) will continue to leech calcium from the bones, and instead

of it being reabsorbed, it will deposit in joints, arteries, etc.. As with all

of nature, you need balance; your body doesn't have a " fosamax " deficiency, it

has a vitamin/mineral/hormone deficiency!

 

In my oppinion,

In Health,

Steve

 

ps - there are other places than you can take the DEXA test (as I mentioned

earlier), but the heel is the simplest, and the DXA is more accurate than the

DEXA, according to reports; also, there is a certain form of calcium that not

only stops bone loss, but initiates bone density increase, but the name slips my

mind at the moment.

[Guest guest]

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" bigbird3969 " <bigbird3969

<herbal_remedies >

Friday, July 20, 2001 9:12 AM

[herbal remedies] The continual osteoporosis debate continues...

 

 

> there is a certain form of calcium that not only stops bone loss, but

initiates bone density increase, but the name

slips my mind at the moment.

 

Hi Steve,

 

You are totally correct and calcium intake MAY stimulate bone matrix growth when

the matrix is full as the body is

asking the bone to temporally store more calcium. However too much calcium may

also reduce bone strength. Try to keep

calcium intake around 1,000 - 1,200 mg unless a doctor advises you otherwise.

 

Vit D is VERY necessary for calcium absorption and is the precursor (building

block) for the hormone 125D which triggers

intestinal absorption and with the strong UV around today, getting enough Vit D

from the sun without skin cancers may be

a problem.

 

I would encourage everyone over 40 to get at least their heel density checked

and record the levels from year to year.

Osteoporosis is a very silent disease. When you break a bone is NOT the time to

do something about it but 10 years

sooner!

 

Greg

[Guest guest]

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" Penny Khaled " <pennyclr75

<herbal remedies >

Thursday, July 19, 2001 9:22 PM

[herbal remedies] The continual osteoporosis debate continues...

 

 

> Dear Steve,

> I felt that this section of your post should be highlighted. Maybe

> someone suffering from osteoporosis will sue the soft drink companies

> like the tobacco companies were sued?

> " as phosphorous (from proteins and sodas) will continue to leech

> calcium from the bones, and instead of it being reabsorbed, it will

> deposit

> in joints, arteries, etc..

 

Hi Penny,

 

Thats where Vit K comes into the picture as it helps calcium to more efficiently

exit the cell and return to the bones.

 

As far as acid /alkaline ratios, there are many very acid veggies / legumes and

some excellent alkaline ones. Don't

just focus on protein and sodas as bad guys. Get plenty of alkaline foods and

the problem solves itself.

 

Alkaline forming foods include: most fruits, green vegetables, peas, beans,

lentils, spices, herbs and

seasonings, and seeds and nuts.

 

Acid forming foods include: meat, fish, poultry, eggs, grains, and legumes.

 

Highly Alkaline Foods

Baking soda, sea salt, mineral water, pumpkin seed, lentils, seaweed, onion,

taro root, sea vegetables, lotus root,

sweet potato, lime, nectarine, persimmon, raspberry, watermelon, tangerine, and

pineapple.

 

Moderately Alkaline Foods

Spices, kambucha, unsulfured molasses, soy sauce, cashews, chestnuts, pepper,

kohlrabi, parsnip, garlic, asparagus,

kale, parsley, endive, arugula, mustard green, ginger root, broccoli,

grapefruit, cantaloupe, honeydew, citrus, olive,

dewberry, loganberry, and mango.

 

Low Alkaline Foods

Most herbs, green tea, mu tea, rice syrup, apple cider vinegar, sake, quail

eggs, primrose oil, sesame seed, cod liver

oil, almonds, sprouts, potato, bell pepper, mushrooms, cauliflower, cabbage,

rutabaga, ginseng, eggplant, pumpkin,

collard green, lemon, pear, avocado, apple, blackberry, cherry, peach, and

papaya.

 

Very Low Alkaline Foods

Ginger tea, umeboshi vinegar, ghee, duck eggs, oats, grain coffee, quinoa,

japonica rice, wild rice, avocado oil, most

seeds, coconut oil, olive oil, flax oil, brussel sprout, beet, chive, cilantro,

celery, okra, cucumber, turnip greens,

squashes, lettuces, orange, apricot, banana, blueberry, raisin, currant, grape,

and strawberry.

 

Very Low Acid Foods

Curry, Koma coffee, honey, maple syrup, vinegar, cream, butter, goat/sheep

cheese, chicken, gelatin, organs, venison,

fish, wild duck, triticale, millet, kasha, amaranth, brown rice, pumpkin seed

oil, grape seed oil, sunflower oil, pine

nuts, canola oil, spinach, fava beans, black-eyed peas, string beans, wax beans,

zucchini, chutney, rhubarb, coconut,

guava, dry fruit, figs, and dates.

 

Low Acid Foods

Vanilla, alcohol, black tea, balsamic vinegar, cow milk, aged cheese, soy

cheese, goat milk, game meat, lamb, mutton,

boar, elk, shell fish, mollusks, goose, turkey, buckwheat, wheat, spelt, teff,

kamut, farina, semolina, white rice,

almond oil, sesame oil, safflower oil, tapioca, seitan, tofu, pinto beans, white

beans, navy beans, red beans, aduki

beans, lima beans, chard, plum, prune and tomatoes.

 

Moderately Acid Foods

Nutmeg, coffee, casein, milk protein, cottage cheese, soy milk, pork, veal,

bear, mussels, squid, chicken, maize, barley

groats, corn, rye, oat bran, pistachio seeds, chestnut oil, lard, pecans, palm

kernel oil, green peas, peanuts, snow

peas, other legumes, carrots, garbanzo beans, cranberry, and pomegranate.

 

Highly Acid Foods

Pudding, jam, jelly, pudding, table salt (NaCl), beer, yeast, hops, malt, sugar,

cocoa, white (acetic acid) vinegar,

processed cheese, ice cream, beef, lobster, pheasant, barley, cottonseed oil,

hazelnuts, walnuts, brazil nuts, fried

foods, soybean, and carob.

 

Enjoy your next meal.....................

 

Greg