Cancer - an ugly name for an uglier reality

[Guest guest]

Dear Francie,

 

I appreciate what you are saying and agree that it would be beneficial to

name things in a more positive light. However, having lost someone I loved

very much to this horror, I would much rather see people become aware of it

in all of its negativity and ugliness *as long as they become aware* that

more research needs to be done and more money must be raised for a cure so

that the day will come when people can focus more on health and the positive

aspects of being.

 

I'm sure that we both look forward to a more enlightened time when diseases

of this kind are a thing of the past. Until then, I feel that it is our

duty to do whatever we can to bring that dis-ease free situation into being.

 

Thank you for your feedback.

 

Florie

==============

" Man makes plans,

God laughs. "

--Stein

==============

 

-

" Francie Smart " <francies2

 

Wednesday, October 25, 2000 3:49 PM

Re: An important link - please read on!!

 

 

Calling

> attention to cancer seems to me, for me, to reinforce its power over

> lives, and I think it need not have that power, because it truly need

> not be part of what we call our life.

>

> Many Blessings in Light

> Francie

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Florie,

 

I am new to this list and I was thinking of the main page message

(this list is for discussion of the body mind connection, specifically

as it applies to health and well being) as I wrote about the negative

connotation to the name " cancer " . I guess I feel the way I do

because, I too have lost three people, two very dear cousins and a

beloved Aunt to breast cancer after doing everything the doctors told

them was necessary to live.

 

However, I also have 2 freinds who were diagnosed with breast cancer

and refused to believe that the course medical science prescribed to

be even beneficial, let alone a possible cure. They enlisted their

Heart, Mind, Body and Spirit to come to the aid of their healing.

 

My freind whom I am closest to was diagnosed with a fast moving form

of cancer was told she had only months to live. She decided that,

although she had just been given a death sentence, she would not allow

her body to believe that. She formed the vision of her body in

perfect health (not free of cancer, not asking that the cancer be

gone, but seeing a perfect healthy body) then she added her hearts

emotion of love to that envisioning and the result, she says, was a

feeling that her body was, indeed, whole and healthy. She has never

returned to the Drs., and after 5 years, has not had a re-occurance to

her knowledge. Now, in the annals of medical science, she would not

be considered a success because she did not go through the channels

suggested by the medical regime, but I consider her to be a success,

she lives, and she lives disease free.

 

In her disire to have a completely healthy body, she kept this

" prayer " in her mind at all times, convinced that this was the

key....to keep letting her body know it was all right to be disease

free. In doing so, she has now elevated her understanding of many

essences of life. For instance, she no longer abides anything

negative to enter her field. If someone speaks negatively, she will

either change the subject, suggest a different way to look at what the

other is portraying as negative, or leaves the situation; and in

doing so, she swirls all the negativity up to God whom she says will

disipate it with great love. She has found herself in a continuous

mode of this kind of silent prayer regarding many things. She has

found a love for all that exists that she says she never KNEW

existed.. She had heard that it did, but had never experienced this

peaceful love. A most extraordinary person...yes, but can we not all

achieve this should we choose to?

 

My other freind had been diagnosed with breast cancer and a lumpectome

was prescibed with the possibility of a mastectome depending on what

was found. She refused. The oncologist wrote her a scathing letter,

telling her she was committing suicide. He described her in that

letter as one who needed to be institutionalized because of her

decision. He cc'd that letter to ALL her caregivers. She followed

our other freind's experience with the silent prayer and in 3 years

has not had to have a lumpectome or mastectome and continues to be

healthy.

 

I am understanding and following in the footsteps of my freinds. I

will, therefore, have a healthy body ... forever???? What impresses

me is that, in my belief that this is possible for EVERYONE who

chooses it, and believing in the Universal Law of Attraction, speaking

that there is not a cure for cancer, will continue to allow cancer to

exist. Not in denying it, but in understanding the reasons it can

exist for some, and knowing how to enlist the Body, Mind, Heart, and

Soul in disallowing it seems key for me.

 

I apologize if I offended or miss-stepped in some way. Please

understand that in knowing this for me, it is only my choice of which

I speak.

 

Blessings

Francie

Where a light is shown, there can not be darkness

 

 

, " Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and Florence

Tomasulo Gray " <florie@b...> wrote:

> Dear Francie,

>

> I appreciate what you are saying and agree that it would be

beneficial to

> name things in a more positive light. However, having lost someone

I loved

> very much to this horror, I would much rather see people become

aware of it

> in all of its negativity and ugliness *as long as they become aware*

that

> more research needs to be done and more money must be raised for a

cure so

> that the day will come when people can focus more on health and the

positive

> aspects of being.

>

> I'm sure that we both look forward to a more enlightened time when

diseases

> of this kind are a thing of the past. Until then, I feel that it is

our

> duty to do whatever we can to bring that dis-ease free situation

into being.

>

> Thank you for your feedback.

>

> Florie

> ==============

> " Man makes plans,

> God laughs. "

> --Stein

> ==============

>

> -

> " Francie Smart " <francies2>

>

> Wednesday, October 25, 2000 3:49 PM

> Re: An important link - please read on!!

>

>

> Calling

> > attention to cancer seems to me, for me, to reinforce its power

over

> > lives, and I think it need not have that power, because it truly

need

> > not be part of what we call our life.

> >

> > Many Blessings in Light

> > Francie

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Francie;

 

Thank you for those inspiring stories. It's wonderful to learn of people's

choices in their own wellness.

 

Sorry if I seemed a bit defensive. I watched someone very dear to me fight

a very courageous battle with Lymphoma, and I was there when he died. I

still marvel at the strength of his will to live and at how hard he fought

to beat the cancer. I realize that he is at peace now. It's just still

hard to accept sometimes that he had to suffer so very much at a young age.

 

I join you in wishing for wellness and positive change for all, and look

forward to the time when wellness is the norm, not the ideal.

 

Again, thank you for those wonderful stories of people taking control of

their wellness. They made me smile.

 

Florie

 

 

==============

" Man makes plans,

God laughs. "

--Stein

==============

[Guest guest]

Thank you Florie and Bless you. As I wrote, I knew what I must

say, and was seeing you being understanding to what was said; to not

think me rude. Thank you for your understanding.

 

Blessings

Francie

 

, " Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and Florence

Tomasulo Gray " <florie@b...> wrote:

> Dear Francie;

>

> Thank you for those inspiring stories. It's wonderful to learn of

people's

> choices in their own wellness.

>

> Sorry if I seemed a bit defensive. I watched someone very dear to

me fight

> a very courageous battle with Lymphoma, and I was there when he

died. I

> still marvel at the strength of his will to live and at how hard he

fought

> to beat the cancer. I realize that he is at peace now. It's just

still

> hard to accept sometimes that he had to suffer so very much at a

young age.

>

> I join you in wishing for wellness and positive change for all, and

look

> forward to the time when wellness is the norm, not the ideal.

>

> Again, thank you for those wonderful stories of people taking

control of

> their wellness. They made me smile.

>

> Florie

>

>

> ==============

> " Man makes plans,

> God laughs. "

> --Stein

> ==============

[Guest guest]

Francie--

 

I think that it would be very difficult for anyone to think you rude. Your

goodness and caring nature is quite apparent through your messages.

 

One of the nicest things about this list, I think, is that everyone feels

quite comfortable expressing their own opinions, and if it differs from

another's, that's perfectly OK, as we seem to be in a very safe and

nurturing place where it's fine to disagree if it's done with respect. I

think in our case, we had a great deal more to agree about than the few

places where we differed. I look forward to learning more from your posts

in the future. Thank you.

 

Be well,

 

Florie

==============

" Man makes plans,

God laughs. "

--Stein

==============

[Guest guest]

Et al...

 

I would like to interject here something about the nature of healing and

lessons. We do not know the " big

picture " sometimes, and crazy as it might sound, sometimes the dis-ease,

dis-order or death of a person is a

lesson for them or someone else, and will *not* go away, no matter how much

positive thinking is applied to it.

 

That is one of the flaws of the positive thinking movement; it places guilt on

the people whose lesson is not to

release the problem but to cope or learn peace in spite of it.

 

There are all kinds of lessons; let us all remember that for some it means being

ill, perhaps even dying; healing

means to become whole... and for some, it is not the physical body but the

spiritual or emotional body that needs

wholeness. Being well is a good goal, but it isn't always the only one. And

sometimes a person's illness or death

is a lesson for someone else, perhaps a family member or loved one who needs to

learn the lessons of control,

anger, grief, compassion or advocacy... in some cases (like the sister of Susan

G. Komen) the lesson is in

learning to be a activist... had her sister not died, would that foundation

exist to help others find a cure?

 

I am in no way saying that improving state of mind and self development are not

useful and may indeed result in

personal wellness; but I only caution that we should bear in mind when someone

is doing everything

" right " and still dies (such as Linda McCartney) it is not their fault for not

applying enough positive energy.

 

Blessings,

Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

 

 

 

Francie Smart wrote:

 

> Thank you Florie and Bless you. As I wrote, I knew what I must

> say, and was seeing you being understanding to what was said; to not

> think me rude. Thank you for your understanding.

>

> Blessings

> Francie

>

> , " Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and Florence

> Tomasulo Gray " <florie@b...> wrote:

> > Dear Francie;

> >

> > Thank you for those inspiring stories. It's wonderful to learn of

> people's

> > choices in their own wellness.

> >

> > Sorry if I seemed a bit defensive. I watched someone very dear to

> me fight

> > a very courageous battle with Lymphoma, and I was there when he

> died. I

> > still marvel at the strength of his will to live and at how hard he

> fought

> > to beat the cancer. I realize that he is at peace now. It's just

> still

> > hard to accept sometimes that he had to suffer so very much at a

> young age.

> >

> > I join you in wishing for wellness and positive change for all, and

> look

> > forward to the time when wellness is the norm, not the ideal.

> >

> > Again, thank you for those wonderful stories of people taking

> control of

> > their wellness. They made me smile.

> >

> > Florie

> >

> >

> > ==============

> > " Man makes plans,

> > God laughs. "

> > --Stein

> > ==============

>

>

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Blessings,

Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

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AIM: CaroCrow

http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance

 

" We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud

 

" We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we

created them. " Albert Einstein

 

A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns by

his or her own experience. A fool

learns by nobody's experience.

 

" It's not where you go, but what you see that makes life a pilgrimage. " Carolyn

Scott Kortge

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your wise thoughts!!

 

As a psychotherapist and person struggling with cancer of the spine for

22 years, we need to accept the fact that we are all going to die of

something. When I was diagnosed and told there was nothing they could do

for me, I accepted that diagnosis and prepared to die. As time went on

with multiple questionable and experimental treatments, I am still here,

the tumors are still here but stable (not growing) and I have to create

new goals for this time in my life as my goal was to prepare for an early

death. Life is strange and we only have limited control over how our

life path develops. When we are young, the illusion of control is more

predominate, as we have not faced many of the inevitable circumstances

yet. My children are facing mid-life now, and where they once had

control, I see it slipping out of their fingers and they are surprised to

see that happen. We do have our best control when it comes to how we

will respond to the inevitables in life. Even then, our shadow has a way

of throwing us off guard and sabotaging our best efforts and intentions.

 

 

What are the lessons we need to learn? I think one of them is that we

are not almighty, all-knowing, all-wise, etc. but that there is One Who

is that we can choose to let be the Director of our life. That does not

always mean success from our vantage point; that does not always mean

physical healing. I do believe that it does mean that there is always

the potential and pull toward growth deep within our personalities. That

is our hope!

 

Celeste

[Guest guest]

Thank you Crow. You're absolutely right.

 

Even taking philosophical considerations aside, the fact is that no one

course of treatment will work on all conditions or all people with the same

condition. We in the alternative healthcare field aften use that to promote

our approach, but sometimes we tend to forget it when applying the principle

to allopathy.

 

Certainly many conditions are psychogenic, but as Freud once said, sometimes

a pickle is just a pickle. Envrionmental factors, genetics, and a host of

other factors contribute to illness just as seriously as negativity of

thought.

 

Some problems are best handled by allopathy. Severe trauma for instance. If

I'm in a car wreck, I hope a paramedic shows up instead of a massage

therapist. Same same during the acute phase of a heart attack. But, for the

rehabilitation phase, I'm far more likely to go to my chiropractor or MT.

It's question of choosing the right tools for the job at hand. When I'm

discussing options with a client, I make a point of not attacking any

decision that they have firmly made. If you really believe that spinal

fusion is going to help your back and you've made the choice to go ahead

with it, it's not my place to shake your confidence. That confidence is

what's going to give you the best chance of successful outcome.

 

Back when allopathic medicine took over from natural healers, they adopted

the attitude that since many of their tools were better, that there was

nothing to be learned from the herbalist, etc. We (and in some cases, they)

now realize that this isn't true, that there is much that we can teach them.

But, I don't think that it behooves us as therapists to make the same

intellectual error that they made.

 

 

 

>Caroline Abreu <crow

>

>

>Re: Re: Cancer - an ugly name for an uglier reality

>Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:49:50 -0400

>

>Et al...

>

>I would like to interject here something about the nature of healing and

>lessons. We do not know the " big

>picture " sometimes, and crazy as it might sound, sometimes the dis-ease,

>dis-order or death of a person is a

>lesson for them or someone else, and will *not* go away, no matter how much

>positive thinking is applied to it.

>

>That is one of the flaws of the positive thinking movement; it places guilt

>on the people whose lesson is not to

>release the problem but to cope or learn peace in spite of it.

>

>There are all kinds of lessons; let us all remember that for some it means

>being ill, perhaps even dying; healing

>means to become whole... and for some, it is not the physical body but the

>spiritual or emotional body that needs

>wholeness. Being well is a good goal, but it isn't always the only one.

>And sometimes a person's illness or death

>is a lesson for someone else, perhaps a family member or loved one who

>needs to learn the lessons of control,

>anger, grief, compassion or advocacy... in some cases (like the sister of

>Susan G. Komen) the lesson is in

>learning to be a activist... had her sister not died, would that foundation

>exist to help others find a cure?

>

>I am in no way saying that improving state of mind and self development are

>not useful and may indeed result in

>personal wellness; but I only caution that we should bear in mind when

>someone is doing everything

> " right " and still dies (such as Linda McCartney) it is not their fault for

>not applying enough positive energy.

>

>Blessings,

>Crow

> " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

>

>

>

>Francie Smart wrote:

>

> > Thank you Florie and Bless you. As I wrote, I knew what I must

> > say, and was seeing you being understanding to what was said; to not

> > think me rude. Thank you for your understanding.

> >

> > Blessings

> > Francie

> >

> > , " Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and Florence

> > Tomasulo Gray " <florie@b...> wrote:

> > > Dear Francie;

> > >

> > > Thank you for those inspiring stories. It's wonderful to learn of

> > people's

> > > choices in their own wellness.

> > >

> > > Sorry if I seemed a bit defensive. I watched someone very dear to

> > me fight

> > > a very courageous battle with Lymphoma, and I was there when he

> > died. I

> > > still marvel at the strength of his will to live and at how hard he

> > fought

> > > to beat the cancer. I realize that he is at peace now. It's just

> > still

> > > hard to accept sometimes that he had to suffer so very much at a

> > young age.

> > >

> > > I join you in wishing for wellness and positive change for all, and

> > look

> > > forward to the time when wellness is the norm, not the ideal.

> > >

> > > Again, thank you for those wonderful stories of people taking

> > control of

> > > their wellness. They made me smile.

> > >

> > > Florie

> > >

> > >

> > > ==============

> > > " Man makes plans,

> > > God laughs. "

> > > --Stein

> > > ==============

> >

> >

> > ****************************************

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> > For administrative problems -owner

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> group and the individual authors.

>

>--

>Blessings,

>Crow

> " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

>--

>---

>Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH

>AIM: CaroCrow

>http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance

>

> " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud

>

> " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we

>created them. " Albert Einstein

>

>A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary person learns

>by his or her own experience. A fool

>learns by nobody's experience.

>

> " It's not where you go, but what you see that makes life a pilgrimage. "

>Carolyn Scott Kortge

>

> " Laugh, and the world laughs with you... Snore, and you sleep alone. "

>Anthony Burgess

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes! Yes! I agree also. I happen to be in a very small community

that in which M.D.s are still considered ones to be bowed down to by

many. And I would have to agree that if that is where those folks are

in their understanding, that is where they need to be, for now.

 

Francie

 

, " Ray Hunter " <rayhuntermt@h...> wrote:

> Thank you Crow. You're absolutely right.

>

> Even taking philosophical considerations aside, the fact is that no

one

> course of treatment will work on all conditions or all people with

the same

> condition. We in the alternative healthcare field aften use that to

promote

> our approach, but sometimes we tend to forget it when applying the

principle

> to allopathy.

>

> Certainly many conditions are psychogenic, but as Freud once said,

sometimes

> a pickle is just a pickle. Envrionmental factors, genetics, and a

host of

> other factors contribute to illness just as seriously as negativity

of

> thought.

>

> Some problems are best handled by allopathy. Severe trauma for

instance. If

> I'm in a car wreck, I hope a paramedic shows up instead of a massage

> therapist. Same same during the acute phase of a heart attack. But,

for the

> rehabilitation phase, I'm far more likely to go to my chiropractor

or MT.

> It's question of choosing the right tools for the job at hand. When

I'm

> discussing options with a client, I make a point of not attacking

any

> decision that they have firmly made. If you really believe that

spinal

> fusion is going to help your back and you've made the choice to go

ahead

> with it, it's not my place to shake your confidence. That confidence

is

> what's going to give you the best chance of successful outcome.

>

> Back when allopathic medicine took over from natural healers, they

adopted

> the attitude that since many of their tools were better, that there

was

> nothing to be learned from the herbalist, etc. We (and in some

cases, they)

> now realize that this isn't true, that there is much that we can

teach them.

> But, I don't think that it behooves us as therapists to make the

same

> intellectual error that they made.

>

>

>

> >Caroline Abreu <crow@c...>

> >

> >

> >Re: Re: Cancer - an ugly name for an uglier

reality

> >Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:49:50 -0400

> >

> >Et al...

> >

> >I would like to interject here something about the nature of

healing and

> >lessons. We do not know the " big

> >picture " sometimes, and crazy as it might sound, sometimes the

dis-ease,

> >dis-order or death of a person is a

> >lesson for them or someone else, and will *not* go away, no matter

how much

> >positive thinking is applied to it.

> >

> >That is one of the flaws of the positive thinking movement; it

places guilt

> >on the people whose lesson is not to

> >release the problem but to cope or learn peace in spite of it.

> >

> >There are all kinds of lessons; let us all remember that for some

it means

> >being ill, perhaps even dying; healing

> >means to become whole... and for some, it is not the physical body

but the

> >spiritual or emotional body that needs

> >wholeness. Being well is a good goal, but it isn't always the only

one.

> >And sometimes a person's illness or death

> >is a lesson for someone else, perhaps a family member or loved one

who

> >needs to learn the lessons of control,

> >anger, grief, compassion or advocacy... in some cases (like the

sister of

> >Susan G. Komen) the lesson is in

> >learning to be a activist... had her sister not died, would that

foundation

> >exist to help others find a cure?

> >

> >I am in no way saying that improving state of mind and self

development are

> >not useful and may indeed result in

> >personal wellness; but I only caution that we should bear in mind

when

> >someone is doing everything

> > " right " and still dies (such as Linda McCartney) it is not their

fault for

> >not applying enough positive energy.

> >

> >Blessings,

> >Crow

> > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

> >

> >

> >

> >Francie Smart wrote:

> >

> > > Thank you Florie and Bless you. As I wrote, I knew what I must

> > > say, and was seeing you being understanding to what was said; to

not

> > > think me rude. Thank you for your understanding.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > > Francie

> > >

> > > , " Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and

Florence

> > > Tomasulo Gray " <florie@b...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Francie;

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for those inspiring stories. It's wonderful to

learn of

> > > people's

> > > > choices in their own wellness.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry if I seemed a bit defensive. I watched someone very

dear to

> > > me fight

> > > > a very courageous battle with Lymphoma, and I was there when

he

> > > died. I

> > > > still marvel at the strength of his will to live and at how

hard he

> > > fought

> > > > to beat the cancer. I realize that he is at peace now. It's

just

> > > still

> > > > hard to accept sometimes that he had to suffer so very much at

a

> > > young age.

> > > >

> > > > I join you in wishing for wellness and positive change for

all, and

> > > look

> > > > forward to the time when wellness is the norm, not the ideal.

> > > >

> > > > Again, thank you for those wonderful stories of people taking

> > > control of

> > > > their wellness. They made me smile.

> > > >

> > > > Florie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ==============

> > > > " Man makes plans,

> > > > God laughs. "

> > > > --Stein

> > > > ==============

> > >

> > >

> > > ****************************************

> > > Visit the community page:

 

> > > For administrative problems -owner

> > > To , -

> > >

> > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of

the

> > group and the individual authors.

> >

> >--

> >Blessings,

> >Crow

> > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

> >--

> >---

> >Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH

> >AIM: CaroCrow

> >http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance

> >

> > " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud

> >

> > " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used

when we

> >created them. " Albert Einstein

> >

> >A wise person learns by the experience of others. An ordinary

person learns

> >by his or her own experience. A fool

> >learns by nobody's experience.

> >

> > " It's not where you go, but what you see that makes life a

pilgrimage. "

> >Carolyn Scott Kortge

> >

> > " Laugh, and the world laughs with you... Snore, and you sleep

alone. "

> >Anthony Burgess

> >

> >

> >_____________

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Thank you Celeste, and may you be continually blessed in your path.

In case you thought I young, however, although I may be to some, I

just turned 50 and am celebrating life. I also have had some

challenges. At 48, I had a heart attack from which my heart stopped.

I was fortunate to be in the ER by just minutes when it did stop and

the paddles were used to get me back. That is when my life changed

and I began seeking on this path.

 

My heart, now that I have opened it again to the wonders that have

been provided for us should we choose to access them, is healed. I

praise my Creator with whom I consider myself to have been created as

a co-creator, each day as I come closer and closer to the magnificent

Love that has put us each on our paths.

 

Blessings

Francie

 

Blessings , celeste m sullivan <csull3@j...>

wrote:

> Thank you for your wise thoughts!!

>

> As a psychotherapist and person struggling with cancer of the spine

for

> 22 years, we need to accept the fact that we are all going to die

of

> something. When I was diagnosed and told there was nothing they

could do

> for me, I accepted that diagnosis and prepared to die. As time went

on

> with multiple questionable and experimental treatments, I am still

here,

> the tumors are still here but stable (not growing) and I have to

create

> new goals for this time in my life as my goal was to prepare for an

early

> death. Life is strange and we only have limited control over how

our

> life path develops. When we are young, the illusion of control is

more

> predominate, as we have not faced many of the inevitable

circumstances

> yet. My children are facing mid-life now, and where they once had

> control, I see it slipping out of their fingers and they are

surprised to

> see that happen. We do have our best control when it comes to how

we

> will respond to the inevitables in life. Even then, our shadow has a

way

> of throwing us off guard and sabotaging our best efforts and

intentions.

>

>

> What are the lessons we need to learn? I think one of them is that

we

> are not almighty, all-knowing, all-wise, etc. but that there is One

Who

> is that we can choose to let be the Director of our life. That does

not

> always mean success from our vantage point; that does not always

mean

> physical healing. I do believe that it does mean that there is

always

> the potential and pull toward growth deep within our personalities.

That

> is our hope!

>

> Celeste

[Guest guest]

Francie:

 

I certainly don't know all the mechanisms involved in it, but I think that when

we choose certain lessons we are

given more than one chance to learn them. I say this because of our

psychological patterns in repeating behavior

(like getting in codependent relationships with serial individuals). Perhaps we

could have learned that lesson

the first time, and avoided that loopy behavior!

 

This happens in illness, as well. I have seen people who have had repeated

disorders in a particular area of

their body (for example, whiplash, laryngitis, thyroid problems, esophagitis,

etc.) if the root cause is not

discovered, it just keeps getting more obvious and noticeable until the person

stops and focuses on the issues

surrounding their health loop.

 

There are other ways to learn, of course, besides experience; we can CHOOSE to

learn our lessons by observing

others' lessons or through insight. Often, however, we are fond of learning

things " the hard way " by going and

doing them all over again. To see proof of this, try to explain to your

teenager that in your experience

something that they want to do is unhealthy or ineffective. Since they are

often filled with the idea of being

ten-foot-tall and bulletproof (and not just a little angst-ridden and

self-focused), they have poor conceptual

grasp of the implications of their actions, especially in the long term and how

they affect not only themselves

but others. This is a developmental stage for them, and there isn't much you can

do about it but pray and wait :-)

 

What do you hear from them, when something happens? " I know you said not to do

it, but I didn't think it would

happen to me! " <LOL>

 

Free will exists within the physical parameters of our reality. Now, we have a

much larger parameter than we

usually understand, to allow for growth and development, but the last time I

looked, our physical bodies are

reliant upon certain physical laws, including gravity, aging, and the

inevitability of death. I can't decide I

want to fly or want to be sixteen again, but I can decide to be the best I can

be holistically; working with that

as a goal, I can learn to accept my limitations and the constructs of reality

not as punishment or fences but as a

source of stability as I grow in other areas, such as mentally, intellectually,

emotionally and spiritually. It

is not just about the body. The body is a temple, a vehicle, and as such has

limits, which we, as the beings

living and travelling inside them, do not.

 

If, say, you were meant to learn a particular lesson by being hit by a car, yet

you missed the experience because

a psychic told you not to walk in the street on a particular day, then your

awareness has been piqued. Perhaps

you don't listen, and you are hit by the car. Each was a valid choice, with

different results. We are not

victims of fate, in spite of our preincarnate choices; everything has a set of

algorhythms... " if not this, then

that " sort of statements. This is how we are creating our reality to a degree

with our choices. In the example I

gave of Susan G. Komen and her sister, there is an interesting set of choices on

the part of two sisters... both

had breast cancer... Susan died, perhaps as a motivating sacrifice; her sister

did not, perhaps so that she could

fulfill the vow she made to Susan that she would work to eliminate breast cancer

in her lifetime. How would

things have been different, if Susan had recovered, or her sister had died? I am

speculating, I do not know. I do

know that we all make choices and that they are inevitably important, yet we may

never know what the long range

implications of our choices may be... what waves we set in motion when we stir

the water at our feet.

 

We can only be the best we can be, choose our conscience, and live in the moment

as much as we are capable of.

 

Francie Smart wrote:

 

> A question... If one is meant to learn a lesson, and something that

> occurred with another helps them learn that lesson..that is good. But

> if that occurance did not take place, and the person to learn a lesson

> still has that lesson to learn, will it not be learnt a through a

> different path? If free will exists, and I believe it does, then each

> chooses how to affect their own lesson???

>

> Blessings

> Francie

 

--

Blessings,

Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

--

---

Rev. Caroline Gutierrez Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH

AIM: CaroCrow

http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I understand what you mean. I was 40 when the tumors were first

discovered and the diagnosis first made. I am now 62.

It has been up and down since then, both physically and spiritually with

many challenges in both areas. Carl Jung's ideas were a great help along

my path for awhile as I had experiences that were difficult to comprehend

until I became familiar with his work. My faith has been challenged at

times---not the essence but the context. It has become less limited by

any particular theology and more open to a comprehensive spirituality.

That is why psychosynthesis has recently been very appealing to me.

 

May God continue to bless your path,

 

 

Celeste