Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Hello everybody, I am writing from Turkey. I am chemist. I want to be Naturapathic Doctor because of health is very serious problem in my family. Medical doctors experiences don't get it all especially for my mom and aunt who are I loved the most. By the way I searched about universities, I found The Bastyr Unv. and The bridgeport unv. I am thinking to apply to both, but very expensive education. I am planning go to Connecticut to know more closely The bridgeport university dep. Naturapathic medicine after e few months. If anyone know about it and say to me , I will be appreciate him/her. sincere, emine sahin > > > > Digest Number 495 >21 Jan 2001 12:26:34 -0000 > >**************************************** >Visit the community page: >For administrative problems -owner >To , - > >All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the > group and the individual authors. >------ > >There are 7 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Re: hypnotic 'forms' > Anne-Louise Lasley <rosebud76 > 2. The Oriental Medical View of Excess Weight > Christine <nayamoon > 3. Re: hypnotic 'forms' > " Inamarx " <inamarx > 4. Re: Re: hypnotic 'forms' > Barbara Neebel Meier <Barbara > 5. Re: Seasonal Diet > Leslie Waller <lekili > 6. Re: Clean Livin' > " Caroline Abreu " <nrgbalance > 7. Re: Re: Phlegm blower > " Ray Hunter " <rayhuntermt > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:21:58 +0000 > Anne-Louise Lasley <rosebud76 >Re: Re: hypnotic 'forms' > >Thank you... I appreciate your help immensely (both Ina and Rusty)! > >=), > >Anne-Louise. > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Sat, 20 Jan 2001 07:27:45 -0800 (PST) > Christine <nayamoon >The Oriental Medical View of Excess Weight > >Hello! >I am new, My name is Christine and I am from Canada. >I was reading through my BodyMind digest this morning >and came across a posting titled: The oriental Medical View >of Excess Weight and a wonderfully interesting article >on the earth, Air, water ect inbalances. >I was wondering if anyone could kindly recommend >a good beginner book on working with these energies >for optimum health, emotional health balance. >Thanks so much! >Christine > >===== >~ The only thing you have to offer another human being, at all times, is >your special way of being ~ Ram Dass. > >lovingly listen to your emotions, for they shall >show you the way ~ Louise Hay > > > > Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions./ > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 3 > Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:46:38 -0700 > " Inamarx " <inamarx >Re: hypnotic 'forms' > > >Oeps.Two separate writings were posted on the subject of ' thought and >feeling, streaming' into another person's consciousness >The first letter was merely a personal response. I then took the time to >edit and add to the concept for the second letter I posted to the group. >Just to let you know. > >Since this topic came up and I was asked about it, how about telling you, >about the strange experience I have had in this regard. > > >Some numbers of years ago, I got a call from a person of status. He told me >that his daughter refused to talk. She was married and used to love to >party. >Somehow she managed to get a lot of garbage in her life and out of the >blue, >refused to talk. >When her father phoned, she had been hospitalized for two years. He noticed >no progress and feared the drugs and >methods he had seen being tried out, on her. > >I saw this frail woman for about three sessions. How silent can it be! She >did not squeak one single word the entire first two sessions. > >By the way, my intent is not to transgress privacy and protection of the >individual. The way in which I relate this, will not harm anybody. >Least of all, the woman I saw. > >This woman melted into the corner of the stuffed chair like the last ray of >the sun before it disappears behind the hills. >She pulled her front part of her jersey over the left side of her body and >armlocked herself. That was it. That and the silence of an Artic ice cap. >I waited to feel how she impact on me. Not having a clue what we are going >to do about her silence. > >Some more silence. .. Ongoing silence. > >Then I 'feel-saw' an image forming in my mind. I so whish now, that I can >remember the stream of images that entered my mind; but oh, they were so >informative. Symbols of her thoughts: a darkened city with high-rise >buildings, and this vast waste field of debris towards the outskirts of the >inner city. >I verbalized for her: ' You feel that you had build a civilized life and >gradually things just got old on you?' >She kind of jerked with surprise and graced me with a glance, two seconds >long. > > I knew I had her then. I also had to cope with immense surprise welling >up >inside myself. What was happening here? > > From there onwards, I simply waited for each next picture frame, and then >verbalized it. Her body felt-sense inclined more towards the 'depleting >energy' kind. She would merely twitch in her body if I impacted. This was >how she 'talked' to me. Often I simply felt a bad or needy feel in my >body. >She became the baby in my womb. I wanted to wince having her there. Then I >got blessed and realized that this was a countertransference! > >Did we have to work on this one! I had to tell her how I felt here >'beingness'. I made a simple statement; " This feeling like being an >unwanted baby , not ever ending in life, must be hard. You were so happy to >find that the sleazy feeling went away, when you found friends and could >enjoy company so much, that you could even party together. " > I felt a dizzying wave of euphoria. So I added, using her guiding signal; > " Having wine and some special kinds of drugs, finally made your head feel >sleepy. You did not have to worry about things now. " >She rewarded me with a flood of warmth through my body. I came to recognize >this as a 'yes' signal, by this time. We continued to pattern her history. >Sorry, I meant her herstory, with experiences and words, that haven't had >found affectionate mirroring through people who were significant to her in >her life. I began to add, weaving structure which she signaled to me >through her body wisdom, commenting on how each experience my body feel. >Sometimes even sneaking in a tiny wish through, which I framed into ideas, >anticipating her needs. > >Nothing had prepared me for what was happening here. I had to know that it >was not me who were having these feelings and thought-pictures. She must >have been a highly intelligent person at some time, for having the ability >to stream the contents to me so clearly. >Knowing little bit about countertransference, helped me to realize, that >the streaming of feelings were not mine. >The streamings was to merely use a different vehicle than words, to >communicate to me. Once I got this insight, I could continue to do straight >forward therapy. Ego building was the obvious need here. The immediate >task >at hand here.That was why I felt her 'like a baby in my womb " . She was >contracting me to built her a structure, an ego, from where she could >operate her day and her needs. > >Her strict background, the strict ways with which she was raised as a >child, >have had boxed her soul with rules and regulations. When finally she could >escape to juiciness in her late teens, the party life was heaven. But she >did not even have an ego yet. I understand the ego to be the basic inner >platform from where one can take flight. That is, till the day or time, >whenl the platform becomes redundant. When it ceases to be the inner nest >to which you want and feel the need to return to. One outgrows ego >naturally, if the true nature receives love and can be expressed. > >At the time before my encounter with her, I was kind of vague about knowing >of this ability, and even more about the existense of 'clairsentience' as >a >phenomena. The session with her, brought it at home for me. I just had to >take immense risks. There was no way I have had a clue as to whether what I >am doing, was valid. Did I just make up a story, refusing to admit defeat? >I >had to wait for the next session. She did not block her father when he >brought her for the next appointment, he had made. > >My happy moment with her, was when I softly asked her, if she would be >willing to nod her head, if she liked what I was doing with her, during the >second session. I then dared the next question. Will she nod if I was >correct with what I 'saw and felt'. Did my words of pictures and feelings, >match the contents of what arose inside her? >She rewarded me with a double nod on this one! > >She broke the last session with a short sentence of verbalised words, which >made both of us jump. >Her father phoned to let me know that she could go home. She took to living >and communicating again. >Discovering the invisible world of streaming energy was wonderful. > >Wishes of star-blinking beingness, >Ina. > > > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 4 > Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:28:09 -0600 > Barbara Neebel Meier <Barbara >Re: Re: hypnotic 'forms' > > > > >Dear Ina, your story has inspired me so very much. I made a decision a few >days ago to embark upon a new journey and I take your story shared here as >an affirmation that I am going in the right direction. I thank you deeply. > > (0)'s > >Barbara > > >on 1/20/01 11:46 AM, Inamarx at inamarx wrote: > > > > > Oeps.Two separate writings were posted on the subject of ' thought and > > feeling, streaming' into another person's consciousness > > The first letter was merely a personal response. I then took the time to > > edit and add to the concept for the second letter I posted to the group. > > Just to let you know. > > > > Since this topic came up and I was asked about it, how about telling >you, > > about the strange experience I have had in this regard. > > > > > > Some numbers of years ago, I got a call from a person of status. He told >me > > that his daughter refused to talk. She was married and used to love to > > party. > > Somehow she managed to get a lot of garbage in her life and out of the >blue, > > refused to talk. > > When her father phoned, she had been hospitalized for two years. He >noticed > > no progress and feared the drugs and > > methods he had seen being tried out, on her. > > > > I saw this frail woman for about three sessions. How silent can it be! >She > > did not squeak one single word the entire first two sessions. > > > > By the way, my intent is not to transgress privacy and protection of the > > individual. The way in which I relate this, will not harm anybody. > > Least of all, the woman I saw. > > > > This woman melted into the corner of the stuffed chair like the last ray >of > > the sun before it disappears behind the hills. > > She pulled her front part of her jersey over the left side of her body >and > > armlocked herself. That was it. That and the silence of an Artic ice >cap. > > I waited to feel how she impact on me. Not having a clue what we are >going > > to do about her silence. > > > > Some more silence. .. Ongoing silence. > > > > Then I 'feel-saw' an image forming in my mind. I so whish now, that I >can > > remember the stream of images that entered my mind; but oh, they were >so > > informative. Symbols of her thoughts: a darkened city with high-rise > > buildings, and this vast waste field of debris towards the outskirts of >the > > inner city. > > I verbalized for her: ' You feel that you had build a civilized life and > > gradually things just got old on you?' > > She kind of jerked with surprise and graced me with a glance, two >seconds > > long. > > > > I knew I had her then. I also had to cope with immense surprise welling >up > > inside myself. What was happening here? > > > > From there onwards, I simply waited for each next picture frame, and >then > > verbalized it. Her body felt-sense inclined more towards the >'depleting > > energy' kind. She would merely twitch in her body if I impacted. This >was > > how she 'talked' to me. Often I simply felt a bad or needy feel in my >body. > > She became the baby in my womb. I wanted to wince having her there. Then >I > > got blessed and realized that this was a countertransference! > > > > Did we have to work on this one! I had to tell her how I felt here > > 'beingness'. I made a simple statement; " This feeling like being an > > unwanted baby , not ever ending in life, must be hard. You were so happy >to > > find that the sleazy feeling went away, when you found friends and could > > enjoy company so much, that you could even party together. " > > I felt a dizzying wave of euphoria. So I added, using her guiding >signal; > > " Having wine and some special kinds of drugs, finally made your head >feel > > sleepy. You did not have to worry about things now. " > > She rewarded me with a flood of warmth through my body. I came to >recognize > > this as a 'yes' signal, by this time. We continued to pattern her >history. > > Sorry, I meant her herstory, with experiences and words, that haven't >had > > found affectionate mirroring through people who were significant to her >in > > her life. I began to add, weaving structure which she signaled to me > > through her body wisdom, commenting on how each experience my body feel. > > Sometimes even sneaking in a tiny wish through, which I framed into >ideas, > > anticipating her needs. > > > > Nothing had prepared me for what was happening here. I had to know that >it > > was not me who were having these feelings and thought-pictures. She must > > have been a highly intelligent person at some time, for having the >ability > > to stream the contents to me so clearly. > > Knowing little bit about countertransference, helped me to realize, >that > > the streaming of feelings were not mine. > > The streamings was to merely use a different vehicle than words, to > > communicate to me. Once I got this insight, I could continue to do >straight > > forward therapy. Ego building was the obvious need here. The immediate >task > > at hand here.That was why I felt her 'like a baby in my womb " . She was > > contracting me to built her a structure, an ego, from where she could > > operate her day and her needs. > > > > Her strict background, the strict ways with which she was raised as a >child, > > have had boxed her soul with rules and regulations. When finally she >could > > escape to juiciness in her late teens, the party life was heaven. But >she > > did not even have an ego yet. I understand the ego to be the basic inner > > platform from where one can take flight. That is, till the day or time, > > whenl the platform becomes redundant. When it ceases to be the inner >nest > > to which you want and feel the need to return to. One outgrows ego > > naturally, if the true nature receives love and can be expressed. > > > > At the time before my encounter with her, I was kind of vague about >knowing > > of this ability, and even more about the existense of 'clairsentience' >as a > > phenomena. The session with her, brought it at home for me. I just had >to > > take immense risks. There was no way I have had a clue as to whether >what I > > am doing, was valid. Did I just make up a story, refusing to admit >defeat? I > > had to wait for the next session. She did not block her father when he > > brought her for the next appointment, he had made. > > > > My happy moment with her, was when I softly asked her, if she would be > > willing to nod her head, if she liked what I was doing with her, during >the > > second session. I then dared the next question. Will she nod if I was > > correct with what I 'saw and felt'. Did my words of pictures and >feelings, > > match the contents of what arose inside her? > > She rewarded me with a double nod on this one! > > > > She broke the last session with a short sentence of verbalised words, >which > > made both of us jump. > > Her father phoned to let me know that she could go home. She took to >living > > and communicating again. > > Discovering the invisible world of streaming energy was wonderful. > > > > Wishes of star-blinking beingness, > > Ina. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************** > > Visit the community page: > > For administrative problems -owner > > To , - > > > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the > > > group and the individual authors. > > > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 5 > Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:31:38 -0800 > Leslie Waller <lekili >Re: Seasonal Diet > >Crow, > ><grin> >From the few masters I have spoken to, they didn't drink, more from the >pure >body leads to clearer mind which leads to clearer focus sort of thing, >rather than a religious theme. That's where I got the idea from. > >Leslie >- > " Caroline Abreu " <nrgbalance > >Friday, January 19, 2001 1:01 AM >Re: Seasonal Diet > > > > LOL... Leslie... where did you get the idea that " masters of energy " >don't > > use alcohol? I know several prominent energy field professionals (and >I'm > > not a name dropper) who sample the vine, at least with dinner. >Personally >I > > do not believe it is a problem unless it is used excessively or the >person > > has an addictive personality. Many abstain more from religious reasons, > > preference or allergy than actual need. > > > > Reiki actually is completely unimpeded by the behaviors of the person, > > although I imagine that the Reiki can make life rather uncomfortable for >a > > person deeply into destructive behaviors. I've met some pretty >pathological > > Reiki Masters over time... one of the reasons I've said that you can do > > Reiki with a cigar in one hand and a highball in the other. Some natural > > psychic healers and shamen seem to be equally flawed. Ability to channel > > energy does not always clear the pipes. I am reminded of Madam >Blavatsky, > > the metaphysical doyen, who was obese and a heavy smoker. > > > > And lest we forget, Jesus is purported to have consumed wine (although >the > > " good wine " they speak of in the Bible miracle at Cana was probably more > > like a nouveau wine or grape juice). > > > > There are a lot of people who do one thing or another. Consuming meat or > > not, consuming alcohol or not, consuming tobacco or not, consuming > > medication or not does not make a person more spiritual or more capable >of > > channeling energy. It is more important, obviously, on a physical level, >but > > even then, there are people who indulge without issue until they are >100. >Of > > course it is important to " take care of the temple " , but one does not >have > > to be an aescetic to do it ;-) > > > > Blessings, > > Crow > > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > > > > >Leslie Waller <lekili > > > > > > > > >Re: Seasonal Diet > > >Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:33:34 -0800 > > > > > >Crow, > > > > > >About the red wine thing. Many people are very sensitive to the amount >of > > >tannic acid in red wines, or the sulphates they use to preserve the >grapes > > >from mildew or mold. I enjoy red wine, but it usually leaves me with a > > >nasty > > >headache after two mouthfuls, if it has a lot of sulphates. > > > > > >I suspect it also mucks up our energy space, which makes working our >energy > > >(healing etc.) difficult or impossible to do. I am guessing here (any > > >takers > > >on this theory?) that that is one of the reason many masters of energy >do > > >not use alcohol in their system. > > > > > >Lekili > > > > > > > > > Caroline " Crow " Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT, CH, MTC > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Subtle Energy Techniques to Support Growth & Healing > > Healing Touch, Reiki, Chios, Hypnotherapy > > ~~~~~~http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance~~~~~~ > > ~~~SomaChi...the Balance you've been looking for...~~~ > > > > " The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind > > is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors > > the servant and has forgotten the gift. " ~ Albert Einstein > > > > " The greater part of our happiness or misery depends on our > > dispositions, and not on our circumstances. We carry the > > seeds of the one or the other about with us in our minds > > wherever we go. " ~ Martha Washington (1732 - 1802) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > **************************************** > > Visit the community page: > > For administrative problems -owner > > To , - > > > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the > group and the individual authors. > > > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 6 > Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:54:52 -0500 > " Caroline Abreu " <nrgbalance >Re: Clean Livin' > >Well, I would agree, at least morally, that it's useful in most cases to >live a " clean " life; however, I contend that it is a misnomer that you >can't >channel energy well, even when you are impaired... it is a mutually >exclusive phenomenon. > >When a person is not taking care of their temple, and they do energy work, >it *can be* like a very sedentary person trying to run a marathon... >exhausting physically and mentally. It may lead to crisis and empathic >countertransference, " taking on " things they don't have the resources to >release or cope with. I've known Pranic Healers, though, that require >extended periods of recovery after working and they are doing all the > " right >things " . > >When I teach I encourage my students to explore the ideas of a better diet, >exercise, breathing, meditation and reduction in substances that affect >their state of consciousness or being, such as alcohol, caffeine, nicotine >and certain drugs and medications. Mostly, I encourage those things because >it increases physical endurance and overall physical health. I think that >when a person is ready to stop using a substance, the body will tell them >and they will stop. In the case of addiction, when a person is forced to >release an addiction and they are not ready, another pops up to replace it. > >I agree that when you are doing upper auric work, which requires a person >to >resonate at a certain frequency and maintain a certain focus, then it is >much easier to do consciously if you are clean, at least for many people. >For some others, the work may happen in spite of them, or even through the >substance (such as the case with a shaman who uses hallucinogens to >journey). Making universal statements such as saying that substances always >affect the energy field of the person who use them in a negative way is a >little bald and not totally true ;-) > >Each person needs to learn a method of self examination and awareness on a >physical, emotional, energetic and spiritual level. For each person, >tolerances, obstacles, gifts and challenges will be different. Blanketing >everyone with the judgement of a certain group of people is dogmatic, and >therefore somewhat " religious " . We don't have to do that. Everyone is >walking their own path, whether we like it or agree with it or choose it >ourselves. We draw broad conclusions of cause and effect from our beliefs >that this makes our lives safer, but we are constantly stymied by examples >of contradiction and exception to our " rules " (such as people who die >despite doing everything right, and people who live to 100 with every " bad >habit " in the book). We have to be very careful accepting anyone's rules at >face value, because they inevitably lead to judgement. Instead, question >the >rules, question authority, and look within for your own personal path and >answers! :-) > >Blessings, >Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > > > >Leslie Waller <lekili > > > > > >Re: Seasonal Diet > >Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:31:38 -0800 > > > >Crow, > > > ><grin> > >From the few masters I have spoken to, they didn't drink, more from the > >pure > >body leads to clearer mind which leads to clearer focus sort of thing, > >rather than a religious theme. That's where I got the idea from. > > > >Leslie > >_______________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 7 > Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:36:33 > " Ray Hunter " <rayhuntermt >Re: Re: Phlegm blower > >Calendula tea works pretty well. Steep marigold petals for about 10 >minutes. >I find that honey helps make it more palatable. > > > > " Susette Horspool " <susinv > > > > > > Re: Phlegm blower > >Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:22:17 -0800 > > > >Hi Patricia - I would be interested in the information about what blows > >away > >phlegm. I've noticed lately I have a preponderance of it. My sinuses are > >small, too, so any increase in phlegm makes it hard for me to breathe > >through my nose. > > > >Thanks - Susette > > > >_______________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >______________________ >______________________ > > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 Bronson has several buffered vitaminC's and the pure crystals ---it works out to below $20 per pound. The pure crystals at 1000 milligrams or one gram -these are the same amounts just different names- in a glass of water could be served to guests as a light white wine-- I would guess that few would ever know the difference! However I prefer the buffered varieties, Bronsononline and others sell them-- they are usually tasteless. I THINK IT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO TAKE IT SEVERAL TIMES A DAY THAN TO WORRY ABOUT HOW MUCH one is taking---------- Pauling says take it up to your " bowell " tolerance! No one has ever written anything to put this advice down! It is cheap, dirt cheap, so why not. Lorenzo Vitamin C > > I buy buffered Vitamin C powder and put some in a glass of water several > times a day. No taste. > > If your store does not have it ---------try www.bronsononline.com I have > used their stuff for 30 years. They are owned by a big company and no-one > gets a commision from them. So this is not spam. THERE ARE OTHER SELLERS. > > Lorenzo > > > Re: Vitamin C > > Evening Lornezo, > > > >I buy buffered Vitamin C powder and put some in a glass of water several > >times a day. No taste. > > I have the product from Bronson. How much per glass? About 1000 mg, or > one of the dippers that come with the material? > > > > > Re: Vitamin C > > I am looking for a real inexpensive supplier of Vitamin C > crystals or powder I can purchase online. I do not want buffered C. > Just plain Ascorbic Acid. Or maybe Ascorbic Acid with added > bioflavanoids. I am willing to buy in quantity (1-2 kilos) if that > will give me a bargain. > > . > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release 8/21/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2002 Report Share Posted September 4, 2002 - " Lorenzo " <lorenzo1 Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:04 PM Re: Digest Number 495 > Bronson has several buffered vitaminC's and the pure rystals ---it works > out to below $20 per pound. > > The pure crystals at 1000 milligrams or one gram -these are the same amounts > just different names- in a glass of water could be served to guests as a > light white wine-- I would guess that few would ever know the difference! > > However I prefer the buffered varieties, Bronsononline and others sell > them-- they are usually tasteless. > > > I THINK IT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO TAKE IT SEVERAL TIMES A DAY THAN TO > WORRY ABOUT HOW MUCH one is taking---------- > > Pauling says take it up to your " bowell " tolerance! > > No one has ever written anything to put this advice down! > > It is cheap, dirt cheap, so why not. > > Lorenzo Thanks, Lorenzo. I shall keep them in mind. I usually dose myself *almost* to bowel tolerance because I work outside & the bathroom is 1/2 block away & up 3 flights of stairs. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Regarding Christi's post about the friend who became ill... Many times a crystal or stone will hole the stress/experiences of the past... say an owner..( I personally have a lovely rainbow crystal who had been used in the black arts... and showed me the image of the person who had used the crystal in such a way).. One of my teachers taught me to clear crystals with the breath.. when this didn't work I ask the crystal what could be done to clear it and open a path of trust between us... the crystal made it known that I must hang it in sunlight... after about 4 months of adorning a southern window and enjoying the sunlight's cleansings effects the crystal had a lovely warm feeling to it... Light, love and laughter, Tonya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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