Digest Number 543

[Guest guest]

Can you tell us more about the book, I am interested.

Judy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Victoria,

 

Thank you so much for your long and thoughtful reply. Yes, I do have some

heating up of the palms (at least on some days). The thing I have noticed

since being on Chinese herbs is that I have become more sensitive to what is

going on in my body, and so I am able to describe what is going on more

coherently when I see my practitioner.

 

Anyway, I am on thyroid medication once again after being off medication and

using only TCM herbs for over eight months with no other outside medicines.

You are right, I was being treated for both the kidney yang and the kidney

yin deficiency, but this support alone was not sufficient to feel well. I do

get warm using the aconite, mostly I have had the prepared kind, though I

think I also was on the raw aconite for a time as well. Still, I have always

reverted to being cold when I am not on thyroid medication or aconite. Since

I do not think aconite in formulas is a long term herbal preparation, this

rather limits what I can do to stay warm. I was tired of being cold all the

time. I still think my adrenals could use some help, which is I think where

TCM comes in now. I also think some help to my heart function will help with

warmth over time.

 

I also do not know why one side of the body is more effected than the other

by symptoms and displays more illness than the other side (though as you have

pointed out in an earlier post I believe, the right kidney is usually

deficient in those with hypothyroid disease. Even though the right kidney

supports yang function in both side of the body, perhaps the deficiency is

felt more locally on the side of the body on which it is located). In fact I

also find that the upper part of my body is warmer than the lower part of my

body, but this makes sense when I think of TCM, where the reproductive organs

of women are more yin (where a man's are more yang), and the chest area of a

woman is yang, and the chest area of a man is more yin (with a difference in

the back, where a woman is more yin, and a man is more yang). All this is

fascinating, but it is hard to put the whole picture in place as symptoms

crop up. Anyway, I swing back and forth in symptoms, to being warm to cooler

(I did this swing even when I was off thyroid medication), so this makes it

difficult to treat varying symptoms, since they change from day to day, or

from every few days to every few days, depending on what my body decides to

do. My practitioner describes this swinging in the body as not being stable,

but almost being well, which means being in good balance.

 

I know what you mean about not always feeling good on thyroid medication

alone. Since trying Chinese herbs I have taken a TCM formula of one sort or

another for over two years. Before that I was using Western herbs, sometimes

with good results and sometimes not, since at that time I did not understand

that herbs had energetics. I am now taking some herbs as prescribed

yesterday by my practitioner for the yang deficiency, and also to help clean

out the lymph system. His theory is that if your heart is strong enough it

will keep the body strong and the metabolism working correctly, therefore

supplying proper heat to the body. His theory (I do not think I have ever

heard it elsewhere) is that every month a woman makes breast milk, both

before menopause and afterwards. It is not that breast milk will flow from

the breasts monthly, but it is the protein components which are produced, the

what I like to call the possibility of producing milk, just as the egg

produced is the monthly possibility of a baby. If the heart is strong this

protein will be pushed out of the body monthly as menstrual blood, if

pre-menopausal, or as stool if post menopausal. So when I complain of the

fluid building up in my chest, going up to the thyroid (right side especially

which is slightly enlarged and did at one time have a goiter, which this man

took care of a year ago) to the neck and then this goes sort of around the

ear into the sinus and into the eye on that side (which has a floater, which

is a protein, which even Western medicine knows) then this practitioner sees

that I need to strengthen my heart function (which is sort of his idea of the

root cause of hypothyroid problems, weakened heart function) to push this

milk out. This is why this practitioner is so adamant about woman having a

good bowel movement everyday, especially if they are post menopausal. It is

his feeling that this milk, which becomes trapped in the breast may cause

breast cancer ( the first place the cancer shows up, then it may spread to

the lung and finally the brain. This is why he wants to see the heart

strengthened, so that cancer will not start in these areas from misplaced

protein. I know this sounds different, and I have never heard of this

anywhere in TCM before. This man is one of the old school traditional

masters from Taiwan.

 

I think I will have to read up on Chi stagnation, since I am not entirely

sure what this means. I am glad to have someone else's insight as to what

might be going on as well (besides the breast milk reverting upwards and

causing trouble, and again, it puzzles me again why breast milk protein would

do this more on the right side than the left, except for this thought: the

right side of the body is controlled overall by the water system, and if this

is weak then perhaps the symptoms will show up here--the left side is

controlled by the cardiovascular system).

 

Thanks for the references to Gach's acupressure points for sinus. I know

that I am not the only one who will be interested in this.

 

Yes, I still am having some energy problems, although I am learning to sit

down more when I need to do so. I am also learning to do things I enjoy more

often and shortcutting things I used to do, such as covering up tables which

need to be dusted with colorful cloths and then throwing these cloths in the

washing machine instead of dusting. Dusting is hard on both my allergies and

my sinuses. I think learning to live with some limitations (in fact learning

to love them) has helped tremendously (I always hated dusting anyway, and now

I have an excuse not to do it!) . The combination of thyroid medication and

TCM herbs seems better for me than either one alone.

 

I totally relate to the headache picture, even as to the right side which was

also worse for me. I do not seem to get headaches much now, so I assume that

I am getting stronger than I used to be. I wonder sometimes if the shift in

my own body symptoms, from being warm to cool and back again has something to

do with the sympathetic/parasympathetic nervous system. I am not well versed

in anatomy and physiology, so I am unable to go any further with this

thought, but I do believe it is the dominance of one over the other which can

cause sensations of heat or cold in the extremities, and also from the inside

to exterior of the body. Anyway, the practitioner here would agree with you

about the wet hair being a contributing factor in causing headaches. He

would always tell patients to thoroughly dry their hair if they were

experiencing headaches.

 

Thanks again for your insights, which are very helpful to me. I will be

looking into the Chi stagnation to gain further understanding of what may be

going on.

 

Sarah

[Guest guest]

--- bonmotSarah wrote: > Hello Victoria,

 

> protein. I know this sounds different, and I have

> never heard of this

> anywhere in TCM before. This man is one of the old

> school traditional

> masters from Taiwan.

 

Hi, wanted to write that this makes a lot of sense,

to me anyway, even though I doubt I understand his

theory in any depth. Just enough to recognise the

importance of the fire organ in warming the body and

in properly dispersing and circulating bodily fluids.

Will go now, bye!

Hugo

 

 

 

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--- bonmotSarah wrote: > Hello Victoria,

> think I also was on the raw aconite for a time as

> well. Still, I have always

> reverted to being cold when I am not on thyroid

> medication or aconite. Since

> I do not think aconite in formulas is a long term

> herbal preparation,

 

Why not?

 

Hugo

 

 

 

 

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>I do

> get warm using the aconite,

 

I assume that herbs like dried ginger or cinnamon bark didn't do

enough in your case to warm the Interior and expel Cold. Or, the

aconite was prescribed for other reasons.

 

Aconite is the most powerful of the herbs used to Warm the Interior

and Expel Cold. In Western medicine it's used in emergency

hypothermial situations - like artic explorers or mountain climbers

who have become dangerously cold.

 

>mostly I have had the prepared kind, though I

> think I also was on the raw aconite for a time as well.

 

Aconite is toxic. Boiling (preparation) removes some of the toxicity.

 

" The toxicity of this herb has been a major concern for as long as it

has been used. It is usually prepared with salt to reduce its

toxicity. One method of processing leaves the herb black. This is

called 'black aconite daughter root' (hei fu pian) which is utilized

by some practioners to focus the actions of the herb on the Kidneys.

Pieces should be of roughly equal size with a dark, oily luster.

Another method of processing leaves the herb white. This is

called 'white aconite daughter root' (bai fu pian) which is used by

some for treating painful obstruction. " (arthritis) " Pieces should be

of roughly equaly size, moist, yellowish white and translucent. When

the full force of the herb is required (usually in emergencies or for

topical application), the untreated form is used. This is

called 'fresh' aconite or Radix Lateralis Aconiti Carmichaeli )(sheng

fu zi). Today the untreated herb is rarely prescribed. " (Chinese

Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, Revised Edition, Dan Bensky and

Andrew GAmble, p. 299.)

 

>Still, I have always

> reverted to being cold when I am not on thyroid medication or

aconite. Since

> I do not think aconite in formulas is a long term herbal

preparation, this

> rather limits what I can do to stay warm. I was tired of being

cold all the

> time. I still think my adrenals could use some help, which is I

think where

> TCM comes in now. I also think some help to my heart function will

help with

> warmth over time.

 

Kidney Yang Deficiency can take a very long time to resolve. In the

meanwhile, I got a lot of help with the cold problems from ginger

tea. I also discovered that the ginger tea stopped menstrual cramps

(which were due to Cold in my case).

 

I don't think aconite is a long-term solution. There are restrictions

on selling aconite in bulk in some states (like California) because

it is so powerful and because of the toxicity problems. One has to be

a fully trained herbalist in order to buy the bulk herb in that state.

 

Aconite is contraindicated in cases of Yin Deficiency because it is

so powerful and so drying.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

I don´t use either aconite in this case cause there is

cold and dampness doin so i could risk free flow of qi

because aconite is pungent bitter and hot because of

pungent aspect it could stimulate the flow of qi with

its bitter aspect it can drain humidity but becuase of

his hot nature it could dry humidity and produce flem

as I said in mny last message flem is the pricipal

cause of liver stagnation.

in 13 century the school of attack recomended pruce

purgation in case like this as first step in orther

eliminate the stagnation at all afterward it is wise

to stimulate qi flow using something warm like

cinnamon or ginger and something else to stimulate

earth work and I recomend somthing easy mind.

lrneninger

 

--- victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon

escribió: > >I do

> > get warm using the aconite,

>

> I assume that herbs like dried ginger or cinnamon

> bark didn't do

> enough in your case to warm the Interior and expel

> Cold. Or, the

> aconite was prescribed for other reasons.

>

> Aconite is the most powerful of the herbs used to

> Warm the Interior

> and Expel Cold. In Western medicine it's used in

> emergency

> hypothermial situations - like artic explorers or

> mountain climbers

> who have become dangerously cold.

>

> >mostly I have had the prepared kind, though I

> > think I also was on the raw aconite for a time as

> well.

>

> Aconite is toxic. Boiling (preparation) removes some

> of the toxicity.

>

> " The toxicity of this herb has been a major concern

> for as long as it

> has been used. It is usually prepared with salt to

> reduce its

> toxicity. One method of processing leaves the herb

> black. This is

> called 'black aconite daughter root' (hei fu pian)

> which is utilized

> by some practioners to focus the actions of the herb

> on the Kidneys.

> Pieces should be of roughly equal size with a dark,

> oily luster.

> Another method of processing leaves the herb white.

> This is

> called 'white aconite daughter root' (bai fu pian)

> which is used by

> some for treating painful obstruction. " (arthritis)

> " Pieces should be

> of roughly equaly size, moist, yellowish white and

> translucent. When

> the full force of the herb is required (usually in

> emergencies or for

> topical application), the untreated form is used.

> This is

> called 'fresh' aconite or Radix Lateralis Aconiti

> Carmichaeli )(sheng

> fu zi). Today the untreated herb is rarely

> prescribed. " (Chinese

> Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, Revised Edition, Dan

> Bensky and

> Andrew GAmble, p. 299.)

>

> >Still, I have always

> > reverted to being cold when I am not on thyroid

> medication or

> aconite. Since

> > I do not think aconite in formulas is a long term

> herbal

> preparation, this

> > rather limits what I can do to stay warm. I was

> tired of being

> cold all the

> > time. I still think my adrenals could use some

> help, which is I

> think where

> > TCM comes in now. I also think some help to my

> heart function will

> help with

> > warmth over time.

>

> Kidney Yang Deficiency can take a very long time to

> resolve. In the

> meanwhile, I got a lot of help with the cold

> problems from ginger

> tea. I also discovered that the ginger tea stopped

> menstrual cramps

> (which were due to Cold in my case).

>

> I don't think aconite is a long-term solution. There

> are restrictions

> on selling aconite in bulk in some states (like

> California) because

> it is so powerful and because of the toxicity

> problems. One has to be

> a fully trained herbalist in order to buy the bulk

> herb in that state.

>

> Aconite is contraindicated in cases of Yin

> Deficiency because it is

> so powerful and so drying.

>

> Victoria

>

>

>

 

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Holistica(Acupuntura,Masaje,Dieta,Herbologia chinas) Domicilio:Telef

537-95-4446 lrneninger

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, Lázaro Rodríguez <lrneninger> wrote:

> I don´t use either aconite in this case cause there is

> cold and dampness doin so i could risk free flow of qi

> because aconite is pungent bitter and hot because of

> pungent aspect it could stimulate the flow of qi with

> its bitter aspect it can drain humidity but becuase of

> his hot nature it could dry humidity and produce flem

> as I said in mny last message flem is the pricipal

> cause of liver stagnation.

 

Thanks for the info. I always wondered why the herbalist I saw

didn't use aconite with me considering how cold I was. I also had

both Dampness and Liver Stagnation. Fortunately the ginger worked

very well in my case. Actually I had mixed Dampness and Dryness due

to living in a desert area.

 

Victoria

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There is book wrote by Mao shin Ni edited in the state

it is comment version of Neiching belong this book

meanwhile we are making a formulation we should order

herbal using rhe following principles.

we form four groups

then the former should be integrated with herbal

attaquing main aspects of your condition.

the second group should support the action of the

former

the third one should opposit undesirebles efffect of

the first and second group

the fourth group should coordinate effect or simply

acts as a vehicle.

I hope this would be usefull for you

lrneninger

 

 

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Holistica(Acupuntura,Masaje,Dieta,Herbologia chinas) Domicilio:Telef

537-95-4446 lrneninger

 

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[Guest guest]

Aconite is strong herb used specially as diaforetic

in condition of dampness in upper jiao when the

stagnation by humidity is the midle jiao purgatiion is

better , dryness is the other reason for invalidating

Aconite cause hot dry humidity and produce flem that

is worth when coldnes is internal is better warm for

improve flow rather than hot except when the condition

is just cold.

In other way it frecuent to confuse a desease of cold

nature with a desease produce by cold.

Cold and dampnes produced deseases of cold nature.

 

--- victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon

escribió: > Chinese Traditional Medicine, Lázaro

Rodríguez

> <lrneninger> wrote:

> > I don´t use either aconite in this case cause

> there is

> > cold and dampness doin so i could risk free flow

> of qi

> > because aconite is pungent bitter and hot because

> of

> > pungent aspect it could stimulate the flow of qi

> with

> > its bitter aspect it can drain humidity but

> becuase of

> > his hot nature it could dry humidity and produce

> flem

> > as I said in mny last message flem is the pricipal

> > cause of liver stagnation.

>

> Thanks for the info. I always wondered why the

> herbalist I saw

> didn't use aconite with me considering how cold I

> was. I also had

> both Dampness and Liver Stagnation. Fortunately the

> ginger worked

> very well in my case. Actually I had mixed Dampness

> and Dryness due

> to living in a desert area.

>

> Victoria

>

>

>

>

 

=====

Dr.L Rodríguez Neninger Ballet Tv Cuba telef 537-797255Especialista en Medicina

Holistica(Acupuntura,Masaje,Dieta,Herbologia chinas) Domicilio:Telef

537-95-4446 lrneninger

 

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