Guest guest Posted March 21, 2001 Report Share Posted March 21, 2001 Dear Anat, Well, I cannot bragg too much over my relaxedness yet but I'm quite certain that I'm going/growing to that direction more and more. I could say steady but slowly. Perhaps the most important thing to me has been the recognition of my own " internal " wisdom. I mean, the ability to just listen to myself - not the others. This doesn't mean that other people wouldn't have good advice nor that I wouldn't follow them. It means that I want to check them with me first and if I'll get a positive answer from myself (usually it's a feeling of certainty- little bit difficult to explain it with words) I will follow it. Sometimes (actually it feels now that too many times) I have gone against my " inner guidance " knowingly. It is a good learning experience (or it may be, if you are able to learn from it), but I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. Unless you want to learn by making yourself suffer. I think there's a better way to do this , allthough I cannot say exactly what it is, because I think that everybody must learn the best way for themselves by themselves. Of course you can always get guiding from more experienced individuals, but there is this " danger " of loosing your own path if you, by following other persons advice will be blinded from your own internal wisdom and thus are not able to listen your conscience/ inner voice/feelings. I think the main thing here is to be honest with/to yourself , be open to life and experiences (and sometimes to know when you need to " protect " yourself - by " not being open " , by resting, by avoiding some people, by not attending to something you ought to...) and to pay attention both to your thoughts (mind) and to your feelings (body) AND noticing what kind of responses you are receiving from them. Which means from YOU. Are there any general guidelines that would apply to everybody. I think there are. One thing that I know for sure is that many times stress, anxiousness, depression, fatique etc... whatever that could be desrcibed as being mental, has their origin in physical side of ones being. In that case doing mental excercises " (visualizations, positive affirmations, meditation...) won't solve the problem. They will give at least some relief (depends on how serious the physical condition is - for example a mercury or other heavy metal toxicity, brain tumor...) but in order to get well again one has to pay attention to the physical side also. By the physical side I mean things like diet, different cleanses (bowel, kidney, liver...) excercise, cleaning the environment where one lives ( throwing out toxic substances from home) maybe avoiding electro-magnetic radiation and toxins in general as much as possible. As I already mentioned, one very important thing to start with is paying attention to bodily and mental " messages " . Headache is a message of something. It may have it's origin either on the mental side or the physical side. First thing is to find out where it comes from. When you know this then you can go on considering actual " cures " for it. The same is true with stress. Or with any other ailment/ desease. At least that's how I think it is. Only after this " short " introduction I can give you some practical advice. And these are my personal findings and may not apply to you. And I want to stress that I'm still a " schoolboy of life " myself, but despite of tha,t I think I often know more than those so called experts. And, althoght these are serious issues they are not meant to be taken seriously. So the place where I'd start dealing with stress is attitude. What helped me long long time ago was an article in Readers Digest. Yes you read right. It was about this ancient chinese saying " Nothing is so important than gardening - and even that is not so important " . How did this help me? Every time I caught myself stressing/ worrying over somthing I asked myself: How important is this to me REALLY? Many times this question lead me to " inner laughter " . That's how I started to learn to put things into " right " perspectives. Second thing that I'd do would be to check my physical side by a) checking my diet (by adjusting my bloopPH to correct level), b) checking how do I use my body ( " right " working/ sitting positions- " right " walking - am I breathing " right " - does my body get enough enjoyable exercise...) and c) do I get enough rest/sleep. Simultaneously I'd do some " basic " organ and bowel cleansing. If I was to have any cronic desease I'd also check possible infections (root canals, extracted wisdom tooth sites) in my mouth by some very experienced biological or wholistic dentist. And I would certainly consider removing all amalgam fillings from my mouth. I'd also check if there were some constant pollution going on in my home. Old leaking copper pipes, asbestose/ fiberglass dust, mold... Why am I recommending all these purely physical cleanses to reduce stress? Simply because if the cause is purely physical, then you need to start there. If someones nervourness, anxiety or stress comes from mercury toxicity the symptoms will remain until the root cause has been moved. What about this " fact " that mind/ spirit comes before body? Before we had these toxins (polluted water/air, chemicals, drugs, radiation, nutrient depleted/ gene manipulated foods, amalgams, root canal treatments, electro-magnetig fields etc...) that was most likely the case. Are there then not any persons who can " clean " themselves by using their mind/ spirit? I believe there are. But they are not the ones following " normal " western lifestile. I could assume that advanced yogis, Qigong masters, zen munks and people similar to them, people who can control and harness the energy level of reality " all the way " are able to do this. I believe there can be natural talents, individuals who are able to do these things also without any particular practise, but they are only few. Back to the topic. It seems that I could write a book of this subject. Hmmm... maybe I will. OK, if there was any stress left after the physical adjustments I'd start dealing the mental side by using different " relaxation techniques " . Maybe little meditation, some visualization, emotional work, hypnotherapy, EMDR... Main thing is to do something you think is reasonable (you believe it can work) and to do something that feels good. All in all it's about making right choises for YOURSELF. And the only person who knows what's good for you is YOU. Sometimes it's more difficult but that's the right direction to go asking questions. Then what actual ways do I myself use for acute stress reduction. First comes the " right attitude " which includes laughter. If that doesn't work I can go walking to some beatifull place. I may start listening some music I like. I may start playing guitar. I may start composing new songs. Maybe I go to a bar and have couple of beers and meet some new people. Yes, I do that also. Concert or art exhibition works also sometimes. Or I can go swimming. Or I can do what Anukki suggested and go to SAUNA. It cleanses you, solves muscular tensions, purifies your soul and when done the right way to YOU (not too long, not too hot), feels like heaven. I've been bathing in sauna now every day from last saturday and I'm going to continue untill next monday. If you don't have any sauna on bathing facilities near you, sunbathing is egually relaxing (not so cleansing, though) especially when combined with swimming in the sea and of course when done the right way to YOU. Now I think it's better to finnish this before it becomes my first " book " . Hoping you creative and rewarding times! And don't listen to me, listen to yourself, Harri PS. Nothing is so important than LISTENING to YOURSELF...and even that isn't so important... PPS. This doesn't mean that life or your actions wouldn't be important. They are, but there's a big difference between a negative and a positive seriousness and I think you know what that is without me telling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2001 Report Share Posted March 21, 2001 Harri, I appreciated much of your advice and look forward to your book ;-) And especially, after all the good advice, appreciated one of your last bits of advice " And don't listen to me, listen to yourself. " Audrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2001 Report Share Posted March 21, 2001 Harri, I thought what you wrote here was *excellent*. I see so many people who want me to fix their symptoms...... and it's incredibly hard for them to change their paradigm..... it's not about a poultice or or a pill, it's about learning to get in touch with their inner selves and figure out what needs to be changed in their lives. The mind body and spirit all need to be looked at and addressed.... Many times the person lacks a purpose in life, and that alone causes all sorts of ills - they don't want to get up in the morning, they don't eat properly. And then when they find their 'Life Passion', everything energizes in their lives, they don't have time for symptoms, or they view them in an entirely different light. I'm considering working first with people to find their passion and *then* continue on with herbs or nutrition if they still need it! But it's hard to slow people down enough to realize this, and think differently than they've been conditioned. Laughter, stress reduction...... I agree with it all... good post... Linda DrNature Harri Kantele wrote: > Dear Anat, > > Well, I cannot bragg too much over my relaxedness yet but I'm quite certain > that I'm going/growing to that direction more and more. I could say steady > but slowly. Perhaps the most important thing to me has been the recognition > of my own " internal " wisdom. I mean, the ability to just listen to myself - > not the others. This doesn't mean that other people wouldn't have good > advice nor that I wouldn't follow them. It means that I want to check them > with me first and if I'll get a positive answer from myself (usually it's a > feeling of certainty- little bit difficult to explain it with words) I will > follow it. Sometimes (actually it feels now that too many times) I have gone > against my " inner guidance " knowingly. It is a good learning experience (or > it may be, if you are able to learn from it), but I wouldn't recommend it to > anybody. Unless you want to learn by making yourself suffer. > > I think there's a better way to do this , allthough I cannot say exactly > what it is, because I think that everybody must learn the best way for > themselves by themselves. Of course you can always get guiding from more > experienced individuals, but there is this " danger " of loosing your own path > if you, by following other persons advice will be blinded from your own > internal wisdom and thus are not able to listen your conscience/ inner > voice/feelings. I think the main thing here is to be honest with/to yourself > , be open to life and experiences (and sometimes to know when you need to > " protect " yourself - by " not being open " , by resting, by avoiding some > people, by not attending to something you ought to...) and to pay attention > both to your thoughts (mind) and to your feelings (body) AND noticing what > kind of responses you are receiving from them. Which means from YOU. > > Are there any general guidelines that would apply to everybody. I think > there are. One thing that I know for sure is that many times stress, > anxiousness, depression, fatique etc... whatever that could be desrcibed as > being mental, has their origin in physical side of ones being. In that case > doing mental excercises " (visualizations, positive affirmations, > meditation...) won't solve the problem. They will give at least some relief > (depends on how serious the physical condition is - for example a mercury or > other heavy metal toxicity, brain tumor...) but in order to get well again > one has to pay attention to the physical side also. By the physical side I > mean things like diet, different cleanses (bowel, kidney, liver...) > excercise, cleaning the environment where one lives ( throwing out toxic > substances from home) maybe avoiding electro-magnetic radiation and toxins > in general as much as possible. > > As I already mentioned, one very important thing to start with is paying > attention to bodily and mental " messages " . Headache is a message of > something. It may have it's origin either on the mental side or the physical > side. First thing is to find out where it comes from. When you know this > then you can go on considering actual " cures " for it. The same is true with > stress. Or with any other ailment/ desease. At least that's how I think it > is. > > Only after this " short " introduction I can give you some practical advice. > And these are my personal findings and may not apply to you. And I want to > stress that I'm still a " schoolboy of life " myself, but despite of tha,t I > think I often know more than those so called experts. And, althoght these > are serious issues they are not meant to be taken seriously. > > So the place where I'd start dealing with stress is attitude. What helped me > long long time ago was an article in Readers Digest. Yes you read right. It > was about this ancient chinese saying " Nothing is so important than > gardening - and even that is not so important " . How did this help me? Every > time I caught myself stressing/ worrying over somthing I asked myself: How > important is this to me REALLY? Many times this question lead me to " inner > laughter " . That's how I started to learn to put things into " right " > perspectives. > > Second thing that I'd do would be to check my physical side by a) checking > my diet (by adjusting my bloopPH to correct level), b) checking how do I use > my body ( " right " working/ sitting positions- " right " walking - am I > breathing " right " - does my body get enough enjoyable exercise...) and c) do > I get enough rest/sleep. Simultaneously I'd do some " basic " organ and bowel > cleansing. If I was to have any cronic desease I'd also check possible > infections (root canals, extracted wisdom tooth sites) in my mouth by some > very experienced biological or wholistic dentist. And I would certainly > consider removing all amalgam fillings from my mouth. I'd also check if > there were some constant pollution going on in my home. Old leaking copper > pipes, asbestose/ fiberglass dust, mold... > > Why am I recommending all these purely physical cleanses to reduce stress? > Simply because if the cause is purely physical, then you need to start > there. If someones nervourness, anxiety or stress comes from mercury > toxicity the symptoms will remain until the root cause has been moved. What > about this " fact " that mind/ spirit comes before body? Before we had these > toxins (polluted water/air, chemicals, drugs, radiation, nutrient depleted/ > gene manipulated foods, amalgams, root canal treatments, electro-magnetig > fields etc...) that was most likely the case. Are there then not any persons > who can " clean " themselves by using their mind/ spirit? I believe there are. > But they are not the ones following " normal " western lifestile. I could > assume that advanced yogis, Qigong masters, zen munks and people similar to > them, people who can control and harness the energy level of reality " all > the way " are able to do this. I believe there can be natural talents, > individuals who are able to do these things also without any particular > practise, but they are only few. > > Back to the topic. It seems that I could write a book of this subject. > Hmmm... maybe I will. OK, if there was any stress left after the physical > adjustments I'd start dealing the mental side by using different " relaxation > techniques " . Maybe little meditation, some visualization, emotional work, > hypnotherapy, EMDR... Main thing is to do something you think is reasonable > (you believe it can work) and to do something that feels good. All in all > it's about making right choises for YOURSELF. And the only person who knows > what's good for you is YOU. Sometimes it's more difficult but that's the > right direction to go asking questions. > > Then what actual ways do I myself use for acute stress reduction. First > comes the " right attitude " which includes laughter. If that doesn't work I > can go walking to some beatifull place. I may start listening some music I > like. I may start playing guitar. I may start composing new songs. Maybe I > go to a bar and have couple of beers and meet some new people. Yes, I do > that also. Concert or art exhibition works also sometimes. Or I can go > swimming. Or I can do what Anukki suggested and go to SAUNA. It cleanses > you, solves muscular tensions, purifies your soul and when done the right > way to YOU (not too long, not too hot), feels like heaven. I've been bathing > in sauna now every day from last saturday and I'm going to continue untill > next monday. If you don't have any sauna on bathing facilities near you, > sunbathing is egually relaxing (not so cleansing, though) especially when > combined with swimming in the sea and of course when done the right way to > YOU. > > Now I think it's better to finnish this before it becomes my first " book " . > > Hoping you creative and rewarding times! > > And don't listen to me, listen to yourself, > > Harri > > PS. Nothing is so important than LISTENING to YOURSELF...and even that isn't > so important... > PPS. This doesn't mean that life or your actions wouldn't be important. They > are, but there's a big difference between a negative and a positive > seriousness and I think you know what that is without me telling it. > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2001 Report Share Posted March 22, 2001 you are all beautiful people. i thank g-d for having the opportunity to contact with you. who started this group? - <audreylee éåí øáéòé 21 îøõ 2001 19:59 Re: Vs: of relaxation > > > Harri, > I appreciated much of your advice and look forward to your book ;-) > And especially, after all the good advice, appreciated one of your > last bits of advice " And don't listen to me, listen to yourself. " > Audrey > > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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