Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 In a message dated 4/1/01 6:06:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: > > " This horrifies me! Is her consultant right - will this stop any incipient > cancer? Is there anything > else Mary can do that will a) help prevent breast cancer or b) give her any > clearer idea of whether > she's likely to get it and c) reduce her all-consuming fear of it? " > > Ok...I'm feeling the need to put my two cents worth in here...first of all I agree that what you tend to fear is putting too much attention to itself, even if it is something you don't want..so some changes in thinking are of utmost importance...I believe there were a few suggestions from the others on the list...also you may want her to consider the bach flower remedies...can be a Godsend with fears and the like...I've been using them with clients and with myself, and always have good results. Other thoughts...I do not buy into the belief that because if someone in our family has had an illness that we automatically will get it...how about using that information as a gift..and take healthy, non-invasive ways of prevention? The diet must be considered...cut back or stop animal products as much as possible...so many hormones added to them it's sickening...so at least the organic or free-range variety...also more fresh foods added, juicing, and how about some weekly fasting? Even if it's a few times a month...just to cleanse and build the body...I do either a juice fast once a week or raw food fast...meaning only eating fresh (uncooked) fruits and veggies for a day...helps with cleansing, gives the body a break to work on other areas, and even helps with weight concerns...just don't eat fruits and veggies at same meal...and of course lots of water (please NO tap water)...also does she use an anti-perspirant? I don't recommend them...with so many brands out there keeping us " dryer and dryer " ..where do people think the toxins are going??? Back into the body to be re-absorbed...ususally by soft tissue...thus many believe the breast tissue...use a deodorant instead...go to a health food store or make your own...you'll find, over time that there will be less of an odor when the body is cleaner inside...also another tidbit I came across..about the drawbacks of wearing Bra's...(I'm copying the article directly, here...) Medical anthropologst Sidney Singer and his wife Soma Grismaijer took a lot of heat for linking bras to breast cancer in their 1995 book, Dressed to Kill. Breast experts dismissed the idea that bras constrict a woman's breasts and prohibit lymph from draining. But that hasn't deterred Singer from studying the subject. His most recent research compared women in Fiji, half of whom wear bras and half who go without. Singer found the bra-wearers get breast cancer at the same rate taht US women do. In contrast, Fijians who don't don a bra have almost no incidence of breast disease. Both groups share the same type of living environment and diet. So......something else to consider...not suggesting you never wear one, but maybe either try going without at home or try the cotton/lycra exercise types when you can...less constricting...anyway figured it was worth mentioning. Hope some of this helps! Katy Master Herbalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 [snip]... bra-wearers get breast cancer at the same rate that U.S. women do. In contrast, Fijians who don't don a bra have almost no incidence of breast disease. Both groups share the same type of living environment and diet. > Katy > Master Herbalist Thank you Katy; now I finally have a valid 'excuse' for never wearing one of those THINGS. Audrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2001 Report Share Posted April 24, 2001 wrote: > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > ------ > > There are 16 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Welcome to > Lorraine Wilcox <xuankong > 2. Re: liquid extracts > acugirlnyc > 3. Re: Re: Lu Rong > acugirlnyc > 4. Re: Re: case submission-insomnia > acugirlnyc > 5. AW: Re: Dan Shen & Hemorrhagic Strokes > " Dr. Peter Powalka " <mail > 6. salvia abstracts > Todd < > 7. European Herbal Elixirs. > Al Stone <alstone > 8. Re: energetic vs. physical dosing-- Tinctures vs fluid extract concentrates. > Dave Ehrlichman <davee > 9. Re: Re: disturbing news > <alonmarcus > 10. Re: Re: energetic vs. physical dosing-- Tinctures vs fluid extract concentrates. > <alonmarcus > 11. Re: salvia abstracts > <alonmarcus > 12. RE: salvia abstracts > " Stephen Morrissey " <stephen > 13. Tinnitus > " R.L.Westenra " <r.l.westenra > 14. Re: energetic vs. physical dosing-- Tinctures vs fluid extract concentrates. > > 15. Re: salvia abstracts > > 16. Re: Tinnitus > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:45:28 -0700 (PDT) > Lorraine Wilcox <xuankong > Re: Welcome to > > Hello Todd and Everyone, > > --- Moderator > <-owner > wrote: > > In order to have your subscription approved, you > > must send a brief introduction about yourself to the > > group at . This > > will confirm your subscription. > > Thank you for the opportunity to participate. > > I am a licensed acupuncturist in the Los Angeles area. > I graduated from Samra in 1988, and got my license in > 1989. > > I do not have a private practice. I work in a large > Western medicine clinic that treats people with HIV > and AIDS, mostly lower income. These clients can > choose to have acupuncture if they like. Then they see > me. > > I do not practice herbs too much with them because: > 1. most are already taking so many pills, they do not > want to take more medications. > 2. most are low income and cannot afford the > additional cost of herbs. > 3. the MDs who run the place can accept it if I give > an occasional prescription, but would not be happy if > I had everyone on herbal prescriptions > > This is an unfortunate constraint, but at least I can > serve one group of low-income patients that would have > no access to Chinese medicine otherwise. > > In addition to Chinese medicine, I have been studying > yijing, fengshui, and Chinese astrology with a teacher > from Hong Kong since 1993. > > That's me. Good to meet all of you! > > Lorraine > > ===== > Lorraine Wilcox L.Ac. > > > > Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions./ > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:24:24 EDT > acugirlnyc > Re: liquid extracts > > Which supplier was the Xiao Feng San from, if I may ask? > Hillary > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:28:12 EDT > acugirlnyc > Re: Re: Lu Rong > > In a message dated 4/21/01 12:59:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: > > > Animal slaughter in the US used to be very cruel, but is > > now largely done humanely. > - > I have to dispute this statement most strongly. Standards at slaughterhouses > are generally not enforced in the States, and animal cruelty is rampant. If > you would like to discuss this further, please email me privately as I do not > want to post off-topic on the list. > Hillary > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:29:59 EDT > acugirlnyc > Re: Re: case submission-insomnia > > Diane thank you for your thoughts! Very insightful, and I will post most > about this soon,. Thanks! > Hillary > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 5 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:34:10 +0200 > " Dr. Peter Powalka " <mail > AW: Re: Dan Shen & Hemorrhagic Strokes > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: > Gesendet: Montag, 23. April 2001 08:08 > An: > Betreff: Re: Dan Shen & Hemorrhagic Strokes > > , zooky <z00ky> wrote: > > Dan shen is not safe in hemorrhagic stroke... > > Is this based on your personal experience, have you seen any > complications, or is it more of a general caution of using bloodmoving herbs > in hemorrhagic incidences? > Since patients, after having suffered hemorrhagic strokes, usually don´t > come for TCM treatment in any acute bleeding phase but after having spent > quite some time in clinical care, I wouldn´t have a problem using it if the > TCM diagnosis would show signs that would make its use seem appropriate. > > Peter Powalka > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 6 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:06:55 -0700 > Todd < > salvia abstracts > > • Salvia is classified as a blood invigorating herb in Traditional > . It was thought by ancient Chinese physicians to make > sluggish blood flow more freely. A number of other herbs are in this > class and they have some general properties in common. Numerous animal > and in vitro studies have shown Salvia to have widespread receptor > modulating effects, affecting calcium channels, dopamine, adrenergic, > angiotensin II, benzodiazepine, endorphin and others. Human and animal > studies demonstrate vasodilation, protection of cardiac muscles from > anoxia, increased blood flow, reduced platelet aggregation and thrombus > formation. Salvia reduces vascular permeability and increases > phagocytosis. It speeds healing time in fractures and other traumas. > (Huang, pg. 81; Zhou, pg 200; Yu S, et al.J Tradit Chin Med 1998 > Dec;18(4):292-299; Xing ZQ, et al.Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa > Chih 1996 May;16(5):287-288; Ding Y, et al. J Osaka Univ Dent Sch 1995 > Dec;35:21-27; Zhen Z, et al.Chung Hua I Hsueh Tsa Chih 1995 > May;75(5):266-269, 318; Gu ZP, et al.Chung Hua Wai Ko Tsa Chih 1994 > Nov;32(11):692-695; Wang Z, et al. Chung Kuo I Hsueh Ko Hsueh Yuan Hsueh > Pao 1994 Apr;16(2):140-143 Liu J, et al.Chin Med Sci J 1992 > Sep;7(3):142-147; Hu MZ.Chung Hua Wai Ko Tsa Chih 1993; Yang Y, et > al.Hua Hsi I Ko Ta Hsueh Hsueh Pao 1993 Jun;24(2):143-146; Liu J. Chung > Kuo I Hsueh Ko Hsueh Yuan Hsueh Pao 1993 Jun;15(3):201-205; Qin JZ, Wang > XC. Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih 1992 Jun;12(6):354-356, > 325-326; Zheng XK. Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih 1991 > Dec;11(12):733-735, 710; Lei XL, Chiou GC. Am J Chin Med > 1986;14(3-4):145-152; Wang Z, et al.Thromb Haemost 1982 Dec > 27;48(3):301-306.) > > -- > > Director > Chinese Herbal Medicine > > FAX: > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 7 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:48:35 -0700 > Al Stone <alstone > European Herbal Elixirs. > > Someone was asking about this recently. > > Here's a site that talks a bit about the European tradition of herbal elixirs. > > http://www.monasteri.it/en/index.htm > > -- > Al Stone L.Ac. > <AlStone > http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 8 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:04:09 -0700 > Dave Ehrlichman <davee > Re: energetic vs. physical dosing-- Tinctures vs fluid extract concentrates. > > Message: 23 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:17:25 -0000 > > Re: Fluid extracts vs. Tictures, Fresh vs Dry plants, Critical Doses. > > Re: > > , I have found that they also have the light, energetic effects...... > > >>>What does this mean? > > Alon > > " Lighter " , meaning more subtle. " Energetic " meaning less dense than pharmacological active constituents, which work more on the chemistry levels of the body, which in turn affect the Qi. This does not imply that herbs don't also work energetically to directly affect the Qi. They certainly may. > > I am flatterred that you read my words so closely. I use those terms loosely as a way of conveying a broader point which attempts to compare the energetic nature of tinctures to biochemical nature of fluid extract concentrates. Though tinctures are not homeopathics, they seem to be more " homeopathic-like " than concentrated bulk teas & extracts, in that they somehow do seem to work, yet don't provide nearly the level of Physical active > constituents as the TCM style of dosing. There is a lighter, more ascendant & dispersing quality than the " heavy, physical " doses provided by the bulk teas or concentrated extracts. This may be in part due to the high alcohol content, but also due to the elements extracted from the cold extraction process for tinctures, which does not typically capture the denser elements and constituents of the plant, as does cooking.. I am not > implying that " physical / pharmacological " dosing is not energetic, nor that light / signature dosing is not physical in its effects. Different properties are extracted depending on the method, hence different qualitative effects. Remember, a dilute homeopathic will have profound physical effects, though it is merely an energetic dose, affecting Qi directly, rather than working on a chemistry or physiological level in order to affect > the Qi. > > I think that different dilutions & concentrations of herbs basically work on different " layers " or levels of Qi, some more physical & some more energetic, some deeper while others more superficial. In Homeopathy, the less diluted & more concentrated extracts, (considered lower potencies), work on the physical & acute levels of Qi, whereas the more diluted remedies, work deeper and tx more chronic patterns. > > Dr. Ted Kapchuk actually writes about these principles quite eloquently. He explaines that high, concentrated doses are selected to address acute, physical conditions, and lighter doses to address more psychological, emotional & spiritual issues, (using respectively smaller or more dilute doses). Though each can have effects systemically, the physician's skill comes from knowing what level the patient is at and what level / layer to > treat first w/o doing too much or too little. > > I was also discussing this topic w/ an TCM herbal expert, Dr. Kang one day in the context of a Bo He / Mint extract preparation.. He explained to me that the more concentrated the extract, the more it functions on the physical levels of Qi. The less concentrated and shorter cooking time, the lighter, more ascendant & dispersing its properties are. He explained further that when you want to make a concentrate of an aromatic herb for > example, containing both " light & heavy " aspects, or in other words, containing both " energetic and physiological " properties, first capture the light, delicate, volatile properties using minimal / short processing time. Then, pour this out & cover, add new water and cook the herb 2 times more, consecutively longer each time, pouring out the last & adding new water each time. (the last cooking pulls out the deepest constituents of > the plant by " cooking it to the bones " thereby extracting the cell salts & trace minerals, which lend a slightly salty, flavor. (Thus, a light, dispersing, aromatic herb like Bo He, can have tonifying properties to the kidneys on a deeper level. ) Combine the 3 separate " preparations " into one and filter. > > The result is a light., ascendant, dispersing & highly flavorful, aromatic extract, yet also thick & dark--heavy in taste and deeply penetrating, being slightly tonifying, at the same time. The alchemist of course would take their extraction process further. They'd burn the herb dredges to ash, incinerate the ash further, separating the trace minerals & cell salts, then add these back into the extract which would " cure " underground & > under exposure to the sun & moon. They felt that this captured all aspects of the plant's physical, energetic & spiritual properties & potentized the remedy, for a " full spectrum " effect. One only needs to taste a well prepared spagyric extract (rare), to tell its superiority over regular preparations. > > While I know this is a long answer to your small question, and there are most certainly more eloquent scholars online here than myself, who could clarify things even better than I. I hope you get my basic point and perhaps a few others. > > Respectfully, > > Dave. > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 9 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:11:30 -0700 > <alonmarcus > Re: Re: disturbing news > > It is true that in a well-balanced SJW extract the MAO-inhibiting action > is negligible. However I have clinically seen this action manifested in > headaches in reactions to cheese and other MAOI-sensitive foods when > patients were on poor quality standardized extracts. When one switched > to a quality SJW tincture the reaction went away. We re-challenged and > had the same reaction and she switched to tincture for good. > > >>>That is hard to believe. You need a very strong none reversible MAOI (and usually both A and B) to cause a cheese reaction. no human studies no MAO-inhibition has been noted > Alon > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 10 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:17:56 -0700 > <alonmarcus > Re: Re: energetic vs. physical dosing-- Tinctures vs fluid extract concentrates. > > . I hope you get my basic point and perhaps a few others. > > Respectfully, > >>Thanks for the reply > Alon > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 11 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:20:19 -0700 > <alonmarcus > Re: salvia abstracts > > . Salvia is classified as a blood invigorating herb in Traditional Chinese Medicine. It was thought by ancient Chinese physicians to make sluggish blood flow more freely. A number of other herbs are in this class and they have some general properties in common. Numerous animal and in vitro studies have shown Salvia to have widespread receptor modulating effects, affecting calcium channels, dopamine, adrenergic, angiotensin II, benzodiazepine, endorphin and others. Human and animal studies demonstrate vasodilation, protection of cardiac muscles from anoxia, increased blood flow, reduced platelet aggregation and thrombus formation. Salvia reduces vascular permeability and increases phagocytosis. It speeds healing time in fractures and other traumas. > (Huang, pg. 81; Zhou, pg 200; Yu S, et al.J Tradit Chin Med 1998 Dec;18(4):292-299; Xing ZQ, et al.Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih 1996 May;16(5):287-288; Ding Y, et al. J Osaka Univ Dent Sch 1995 Dec;35:21-27; Zhen Z, et al.Chung Hua I Hsueh Tsa Chih 1995 May;75(5):266-269, 318; Gu ZP, et al.Chung Hua Wai Ko Tsa Chih 1994 Nov;32(11):692-695; Wang Z, et al. Chung Kuo I Hsueh Ko Hsueh Yuan Hsueh Pao 1994 Apr;16(2):140-143 Liu J, et al.Chin Med Sci J 1992 Sep;7(3):142-147; Hu MZ.Chung Hua Wai Ko Tsa Chih 1993; Yang Y, et al.Hua Hsi I Ko Ta Hsueh Hsueh Pao 1993 Jun;24(2):143-146; Liu J. Chung Kuo I Hsueh Ko Hsueh Yuan Hsueh Pao 1993 Jun;15(3):201-205; Qin JZ, Wang XC. Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih 1992 Jun;12(6):354-356, 325-326; Zheng XK. Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa Chih 1991 Dec;11(12):733-735, 710; Lei XL, Chiou GC. Am J Chin Med 1986;14(3-4):145-152; Wang Z, et al.Thromb Haemost 1982 Dec 27;48(3):301-306.) > > >>Todd were did you get this > Alon > > [This message contained attachments] > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 12 > Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:47:00 -0600 > " Stephen Morrissey " <stephen > RE: salvia abstracts > > This seems to raise some interesting questions that may be useful to > consider in patients unresponsive to TCM. > > Migraine Cause Uncovered > April 23, 2001 (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- New research out of England may have > found the cause of some severe migraine headaches. The findings, reported in > New Scientist, say the problem may be related to holes in the heart. > More than 25 percent of all people have an opening in the wall of the heart > that separates the upper chambers of the heart. The hole typically closes as > soon as a baby takes his first breath, but in some individuals, it has been > found to not close completely. With holes remaining, small amounts of blood > are able to travel through the veins without going to the lungs. This is > important because any clots or air bubbles that may be there are generally > filtered out by the lungs, and by not traveling through there, these clots > remain to travel throughout the body, increasing a person's risk for stroke. > In addition, researchers say the lungs also filter out chemicals that can > cause blood vessels to expand and contract. This, they say, may be behind > severe migraines. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:49:32 +1000 dragonslive Re: 's response, respect I respect Jason's rigour and desire to raise the bar in terms of TCM education. However, his opinions have always been condescending in tone and application since he was a student and questioned the validity of " yin fire " on CHA. Ironically, he now promotes his own paper on the subject. Jason simply does not believe anyone unless he heard it first hand, thought it first or read it himself. Despite what his tone and self importance may indicate; he is not as experienced as many on this list he berates and abuses.........ironic to say the least. In the end, no one listens to what such individuals have to say and may even view rigour as representing such arrogance and disrespect for those who have the heart to heal. This results is the opposite effect of what he proposes to create. >> Thanks for enlightening us. This was once an incredibly supportive group, plenty of respect, open commmunications, representing many different points of view from all over the world. These last couple of months it seems that one person has single handedly berated everyone and pushed many into silence. From the tone of the communications, this has turned into a list that no longer serves it's purpose . I do hope those who think arrogance makes them better practitioners learn their lessons quickly..... sign me disappointed in human behaviour robbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 i'll jump in on this and defend Jason here. His paper does not question the validity of yin fire but sets right certain wide spread interpretations. I've shown his paper to very knowledgeable practitioners and scholars who says his interpretation is correct as opposed to more widely read authors on the same subject. doug On Jul 21, 2004, at 2:19 AM, Chinese Medicine wrote: > Re: 's response, respect > > I respect Jason's rigour and desire to raise the bar in terms of TCM > education. > > However, his opinions have always been condescending in tone and > application since he was a student and questioned the validity of " yin > fire " on CHA. Ironically, he now promotes his own paper on the subject. > > Jason simply does not believe anyone unless he heard it first hand, > thought it first or read it himself. Despite what his tone and self > importance may indicate; he is not as experienced as many on this list > he berates and abuses.........ironic to say the least. > > In the end, no one listens to what such individuals have to say and may > even view rigour as representing such arrogance and disrespect for > those who have the heart to heal. This results is the opposite effect > of what he proposes to create. > > Best Wishes, > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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