Guest guest Posted April 16, 2001 Report Share Posted April 16, 2001 Crow writes: << ... we do not know, really, what the lesson is, or even who the lesson is *for*... is it for him? For you? For some future mate or companion? >> Indeed, I think the issue you raise is a BIGGIE. It arises so many times. Whatever dis-ease [purposeful hyphenation] condition a person is experiencing, to what degree are others " interfering with the big picture plan " if they attempt to help fix the condition? Might dis-ease conditions fall into three categories? * higher self plan * lower self [concocted term <g>] plan * nobody's plan On this subject I think of some far east attitudes ... where, as I understand it, if a young child were to fall off a bridge into a river the attitude would be to not save the child so as to not interfere with " the big picture plan " . Most people in the USA would consider such an attitude extreme. But really it's another aspect of that perplexing question: " When IS it appropriate to intercede? " Rich in Minnesota [-5 degree wind chill this morning + snow] Sign at an Optometrist's Office: " If you don't see what you're looking for, you've come to the right place. " <A HREF= " rputman?subject=send information " >People who enjoy helping others help themselves love this.</A> If the above is clickable it should start an e-mail to rputman with subject " Send information " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2001 Report Share Posted April 16, 2001 Hi Rich: Thanks for responding and stirring the pot a bit. Last night, hubby and I watched some independent film shorts, among which was a really good one entitled " Bobby Loves Mangos " . The story is about an elementary school principal who receives a video in the mail from a man who claims to be one of his students " from the future " , warning of a calamity that will occur with a school bus taking the children to a museum. He claims that he did not go on the field trip that day, because his mother had fed him mangos, and he had developed an allergic reaction. He asks the principal to re-route the way the bus normally goes for this trip to avoid the accident. What ensues, especially after the principal shares the video with his secretary, is an interesting exploration of how people might behave if they believe they can change the future, and indeed, if they should try. The principal goes to the grocery... he wants to buy mangos and have them served in the cafeteria, to test the theory that Bobby is allergic. His secretary, panicked but unthinking, has already been to the store and has bought all the mangos and thrown them away, not realizing that they were supposedly how Bobby was kept off the school bus for the field trip in the first place. The principal does speak with the bus driver (though you are not exactly sure if he is listening) and the group leaves, Bobby amongst them. Then he and the secretary go through an excessive period of stress as they wait to see what will happen. Should I tell you the end? I think I won't. Suffice it to say, it says a lot about our desire to fix things, and our lack of grounding and perspective as we grasp at ropes without looking to see where they are attached, half the time pulling down an anvil on our heads. (If you're really interested in the ending, I'll go ahead and post it, there may not be too many opportunities for folks to view this film.) The Eastern mentality is not as unfeeling as it may sound, although it is certainly more objective from the standpoint of attachment. From that standpoint, every individual is fully responsible for their own lessons and healing, and since it may not be clear when too much subjective intervention is too much, less is more. I don't think it is as drastic as allowing someone to drown, but more of the idea that if someone drowns, there is a lesson in it. Where someone from the West may see that as an exercise in fatalism, they see it as a manifestation of karma, or cause/effect, rather than predestination. I think that this is why so many Westerners get outright angry at the idea that they might have chosen a particularly uncomfortable disorder or contract to help themselves or someone else. They call that " blaming the victim " , among other things, which proves an obvious attachment to the idea that an uncomfortable lesson is " bad " , while a comfortable one is " good " ... that they only see blessings in what they perceive as positive is certainly a limiting belief. I'd like to point out that no one ever became a saint by sitting around in the sunshine eating bon bons ;-) Who knows the truth in it, really? ... As someone has remarked, " Whatever gets you through the night " ... it may be that believing there is a reason for everything is a simple human way of coping with change and loss. Blessings, Crow >rputman > > > Re: When IS it appropriate to intercede? >Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:53:11 EDT > >Crow writes: << ... we do not know, really, what the lesson is, or even who >the lesson is *for*... is it for him? For you? For some future mate or >companion? >> > >Indeed, I think the issue you raise is a BIGGIE. It arises so many times. >Whatever dis-ease [purposeful hyphenation] condition a person is >experiencing, to what degree are others " interfering with the big picture >plan " if they attempt to help fix the condition? > >Might dis-ease conditions fall into three categories? >* higher self plan >* lower self [concocted term <g>] plan >* nobody's plan > >On this subject I think of some far east attitudes ... where, as I >understand >it, if a young child were to fall off a bridge into a river the attitude >would be to not save the child so as to not interfere with " the big picture >plan " . Most people in the USA would consider such an attitude extreme. But >really it's another aspect of that perplexing question: " When IS it >appropriate to intercede? " > >Rich in Minnesota [-5 degree wind chill this morning + snow] > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Okay, Crow.....I, for one, want to know the ending to the movie. I doubt if I will ever see it in person. If nobody else wants to know, then please email me privately. Thanks! And, thanks for being such an interesting, and helpful person. I always really enjoy and find insight in your posts. Bridget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Hmm. Crow., It makes me think a lot. <<. Suffice it to say, it says a lot about our desire to fix things, and our lack of grounding and perspective as we grasp at ropes without looking to see where they are attached, half the time pulling down an anvil on our heads.>> Two nights ago someone backed into the left side of my car and damaged one panel. I was told my a friend when I picked up the car to put reiki protection symbols in each corner of the car. I sort of get the feeling that this " accident " was meant to be a lesson in non-attatchment. Everything is being made easy to repair the damage and the person who backed into my car stopped, and knocked on the door of the house I was in with all his deatils ready, including his insurance policy number. A miracle in itself !!!!!! No matter what happens in our life, it is important not to miss the lesson. Thanks Crow. Love and Light, Ninox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 Ninox: Worth more than gold is an honest man. I'm so glad that the fellow who hit your car 'fessed up. Nothing like a miracle to rejuvenate our feelings of hope. I read " Chicken Soup for the Soul " and " Heroic Stories " almost every day in my email box, with tissues standing by. It's good to know there is an alternative to the evening news and its pessimism. I think about lessons every time I look out the window in the summer and see a parking ticket on my car, flapping in all its flourescence under my windshield wiper. Most of the time it is about paying attention (ur... like, to the meter) but at times it is just an exercise in letting go of attachment. What was I doing? Was it worth $10 to stop doing it and run out to feed the meter? <G> Sometimes it's not. Blessings, Crow bluemoon wrote: > Hmm. Crow., > It makes me think a lot. > > <<. Suffice it to say, it says a lot > about our desire to fix things, and our lack of grounding and perspective > as > we grasp at ropes without looking to see where they are attached, half the > time pulling down an anvil on our heads.>> > > Two nights ago someone backed into the left side of my car and damaged one > panel. > I was told my a friend when I picked up the car to put reiki protection symbols > in each corner of the car. > I sort of get the feeling that this " accident " was meant to be a lesson in > non-attatchment. > Everything is being made easy to repair the damage and the person who backed > into my car stopped, and knocked on the door of the house I was in with all his > deatils ready, including his insurance policy number. A > miracle in itself !!!!!! > No matter what happens in our life, it is important not to miss the lesson. > Thanks Crow. > Love and Light, Ninox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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