[ADMIN] Our Focus

[Guest guest]

(First off, everyone, please, edit your posts if you would; the digest folks

would

certainly appreciate it.)

 

Time for another " reel in " ;-)

 

I know you are all excited about health alternatives, and it's certainly helpful

sometimes to have a place that provides a clearinghouse on the truth and fallacy

of the rumors that fly around regarding various things. As a nurse I tend to

lean

towards caution before assuming a rumor is true, especially a health rumor

because

anyone can make up a rumor, for any reason, and after a while it can become what

some people believe as " common truth " when there was never any evidence of its

veracity to begin with.(haven't you all seen the asbestos in the tampons thing,

the roach eggs in your envelopes thing, the needles in the pay phone thing? All

urban legends)

 

I appreciate all of your " 2 cents " on diet as a personal decision, but unless

you

are a scientist or nutritionist and have any solid proof besides what you have

mentioned, I am not likely to ascribe to your ideas, and would encourage anyone

else to take with a grain of salt any book or " authority " that doesn't have any,

either... there is no evidence that humans can't process meat as a food, for

instance.

 

Here is a good guage for you... is the source you are reading endorsing a

particular product or diet? Do you know someone personally who has tried either

with positive results and a lack of long term side effects? Are these people

trying to tell you that they are the only ones who can provide you with the

" right " item, since they are the only ones in the world who know how to prepare

it

properly? Do they use their own products or diet? What sort of education and

experience do they have? Have their products/diet been proven in a replicatable

way, or are they supported solely by pseudoscience, rumor, and avoidance? What

is

their motivation for providing this information?

 

There are millions of people out there looking for a miracle cure, and just as

many out there willing to promise them they can have it for the price of a

paperback or a bottle of something or other. That's nothing new. We have to be

intelligent about our choices, especially when we are dabbling in self care.

Can

you say " home chemistry set " ?

 

In addition, every cell of the human body replaces itself (especially the

rapidly

renewing mucous membranes of the alimentary canal). Food of any kind does not

" stick to your guts " or lurk there! That is a myth :-) If you have any

questions

about that, I would advise you to attend a couple of autopsies or ask a medical

examiner if they have ever seen that sort of thing in a normal person who ate a

varied diet. I am amazed that not only is it meat now that has come under fire,

but now soy! <LOL> On another list I am seeing them actively denigrate avocados

and tomatoes. Frankly, I don't see how a person is supposed to aquire adequate

nutrition at all if they keep scaring themselves out of eating.

 

I would strongly prefer that there be no more " propaganda " for one diet vs.

another here, one way or the other, as I believe this falls under the category

of

personal preference and dietary requirements, and should ideally be discussed

with

a professional dietitian or medical practitioner with a reference of full

physical

and lifestyle assessment.

 

I'm of much the same opinion about herbals, homeopathics, essential oils,

dietary

supplements, etc. We can't see who we are talking to, and we don't know how

anyone else will respond to someone else's perceived authority. Except in

passing, it would be useful to avoid long threads of discussion on these

subjects

here. If it is something that has worked for *you*, state it as such ... better

than letting others assume an authority on a subject that you don't possess, or

passing along " friend of a friend " anecdotes.

 

We should all remember that the advice that is passed around here really falls

under the category of " coffee talk " , nothing more. In spite of the

qualifications

of many of the members to provide guidance and support in various subjects (such

as herbal medicine, aromatherapy, etc.), we should not use this venue to

diagnose

or prescribe for ourselves or for others... and I say this primarily because I

am

cautious about the ethics of such things (it is an open list of nearly 500

members

from all walks of life and educational levels), but also because there are good

lists for discussing these issues, and I'd encourage people to find them rather

than discuss them in this bodymind forum.

 

I'd much prefer that we utilize this space to explore bodymind approaches, such

as

touch therapies, energy work, meridian therapies, peer counseling, self

hypnosis,

meditation, movement therapies, expressive therapies and other forms of stress

reduction. You know... bodymind stuff ;-)

 

Yes, all of these other things affect the system, but they really are off topic

for this list... if there's any question about that, please reread our home page

or the FAQ in the shared files:

 

 

Thank you.

Caroline

SWMBO

[Guest guest]

Dear Coroline:

Thanks so much for clarifing that for me. As a new comer on the group,

after reading the posts, I had a different idea as to the proticol here.

I'll certainly adhere to your request. It makes perfect sense.

Thanks.

connie

>

[Guest guest]

Caroline wrote:

>In addition, every cell of the human body replaces itself (especially

the rapidly

>renewing mucous membranes of the alimentary canal).

 

Current scientific consensus is that each time a cell replaces itself,

the telomers tying the ends of the chromosomes shortens and eventually

in old age the cell can no longer replace itself and the body dies.

The fewer times the cell has to replace itself the longer the body is

capable of staying alive.

However some cells have much longer telomers than others and can be

reproduced more often [ those 'mucous membranes of the alimentary

canal', f'r instance).

 

Others can only relpace a few times and although all of Caroline's

cells may reproduce themselves, my geneticist tells me that my brain

and lungs cannot do so, so I must take extra care of them.

If the telomer is not there the p-53 gene springs into action by

default and the cell secretes self digesting enzymes and destroys

itself.

This is a necesary function in normal cell replacement so the mother

cells gets out of the way when the daughter cell divides off and the

mother's telomer is broken.

If this p 53 gene is damaged by free radical activity the mother cell

may become cancerous, dividing and staying alive forming a malignant

tumor.

Want some good research on this consensus and the possibilility of

change in the consensus?

click on:

http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1fab2.htm

rusty

 

---Original Message-----

Caroline Abreu <carocrow

Sunday, April 22, 2001 3:19 PM

[ADMIN] Our Focus

[Guest guest]

In regards to Carolyn's post.

It's not about how often cells reproduce, its the quality of life and the

choices one makes. If you've ever noticed what happens to your body when

your really afraid, you'd try to never frighten a person again.

Carolyn: I agree, we are so afraid of what we eat, that it's not the food

that will kill us, its the fear. Of course, eventually our cells will not

reproduce as fast, but thats aging, and thats OK. Aging and death are

completely safe. It's safe to be a human, its safe to get sick, its safe to

die. I'm not interested in speeding that process up, but I certainly don't

want to live my years I have being afraid of all of my food, the air I

breath, the water I drink. Life itself is a risk, but we choose it, even

tho it may " seem " that it doesn't end well. LOL

I am a cancer survivor of 20 years. I used traditional medicine, and then

later began to learn about alternatives. The biggest lesson I learned from

it all was about the destructiveness of my own fear. I can't tell you how

badly it effects the body to hear the words, " you have cancer " . I felt fine

one moment, with just a little breast lump, and as soon as that doctor said

those words I was horribly ill. When I finially conquered the fear, is when

I feel, the disease just didn't have any good place to live in my body. In

my humble opinion, Cancer prefers fear, rage and self hatred as its petri

dish. I'm free of cancer today, and I never once stopped eating Twinkies.

Even tho the shelf life of those reads like the half life of platonium.!!

Sometimes the body just needs some nurture food, sometimes it makes a person

happier and healthier to have chocolot cake. I can't tell you why, but I

sure can feel it.

Bernie Siegal talked about the body needing " live messages " in order to

fight disease. Live messages are about being happy we're alive and fully

enjoying life and our passions. Fear is a " death message " .

This is all just my opinion. If you don't agree, press " delete " now. :-)

With respect to the intellegent folks in this group who may disagree with

me.

love,

connie

[Guest guest]

Exellent post, Connie.... I agree 1000%.

 

Stressing about what we eat will kill us faster than the foods themselves! I

think you have a lot to offer others with being a survivor

for 20 years and the wisdom you've acquired. Fear is one of the hardest things

to deal with, it's great you've worked through it.

 

Linda/DrNature

(I don't have my webpage anywhere near done, but if anyone wants to take a peek

at what I'm working on -

it's http://www.drnature.net)

 

 

tink-im wrote:

 

> In regards to Carolyn's post.

> It's not about how often cells reproduce, its the quality of life and the

> choices one makes. If you've ever noticed what happens to your body when

> your really afraid, you'd try to never frighten a person again.

> Carolyn: I agree, we are so afraid of what we eat, that it's not the food

> that will kill us, its the fear. Of course, eventually our cells will not

> reproduce as fast, but thats aging, and thats OK. Aging and death are

> completely safe. It's safe to be a human, its safe to get sick, its safe to

> die. I'm not interested in speeding that process up, but I certainly don't

> want to live my years I have being afraid of all of my food, the air I

> breath, the water I drink. Life itself is a risk, but we choose it, even

> tho it may " seem " that it doesn't end well. LOL

> I am a cancer survivor of 20 years. I used traditional medicine, and then

> later began to learn about alternatives. The biggest lesson I learned from

> it all was about the destructiveness of my own fear. I can't tell you how

> badly it effects the body to hear the words, " you have cancer " . I felt fine

> one moment, with just a little breast lump, and as soon as that doctor said

> those words I was horribly ill. When I finially conquered the fear, is when

> I feel, the disease just didn't have any good place to live in my body. In

> my humble opinion, Cancer prefers fear, rage and self hatred as its petri

> dish. I'm free of cancer today, and I never once stopped eating Twinkies.

> Even tho the shelf life of those reads like the half life of platonium.!!

> Sometimes the body just needs some nurture food, sometimes it makes a person

> happier and healthier to have chocolot cake. I can't tell you why, but I

> sure can feel it.

> Bernie Siegal talked about the body needing " live messages " in order to

> fight disease. Live messages are about being happy we're alive and fully

> enjoying life and our passions. Fear is a " death message " .

> This is all just my opinion. If you don't agree, press " delete " now. :-)

> With respect to the intellegent folks in this group who may disagree with

> me.

> love,

> connie

[Guest guest]

Dear Linda:

Well thankyou so much for that. I took a peek at your website and its

fantastic. What a lovely work, and so informative. I really liked it.

Here is mine, also a work in process,

www.whateverworkswellness.com

I find website work very very difficult, my learning curve just doesn't bend

in the right direction on that. LOL.

thanks again,

love,

connie

 

 

> drnature <drnature

> Organization: Website: http://www.drnature.net

>

> Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:47:48 -0700

>

> Re: [ADMIN] Our Focus

>

>

> Exellent post, Connie.... I agree 1000%.

>

> Stressing about what we eat will kill us faster than the foods themselves! I

> think you have a lot to offer others with being a survivor

> for 20 years and the wisdom you've acquired. Fear is one of the hardest

> things to deal with, it's great you've worked through it.

>

> Linda/DrNature

> (I don't have my webpage anywhere near done, but if anyone wants to take a

> peek at what I'm working on -

> it's http://www.drnature.net)

[Guest guest]

Connie,

 

What a wonderful site you have! Very professional. I agree that the website

work is difficult, it was much more work than I ever

imagined! I just joined your mailist, it looks great.

 

Linda

DrNature

http://www.drnature.net

 

tink-im wrote:

 

> Dear Linda:

> Well thankyou so much for that. I took a peek at your website and its

> fantastic. What a lovely work, and so informative. I really liked it.

> Here is mine, also a work in process,

> www.whateverworkswellness.com

> I find website work very very difficult, my learning curve just doesn't bend

> in the right direction on that. LOL.

> thanks again,

> love,

> connie

>

> > drnature <drnature

> > Organization: Website: http://www.drnature.net

> >

> > Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:47:48 -0700

> >

> > Re: [ADMIN] Our Focus

> >

> >

> > Exellent post, Connie.... I agree 1000%.

> >

> > Stressing about what we eat will kill us faster than the foods themselves!

I

> > think you have a lot to offer others with being a survivor

> > for 20 years and the wisdom you've acquired. Fear is one of the hardest

> > things to deal with, it's great you've worked through it.

> >

> > Linda/DrNature

> > (I don't have my webpage anywhere near done, but if anyone wants to take a

> > peek at what I'm working on -

> > it's http://www.drnature.net)

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Linda:

I'm so excited to have you on my egroup. Thanks so much for joining, I

hope it will be of value to you. Thanks also for the compliments on mine.

Please feel free to post your website to the group as I think its of great

value to folks.

love,

connie

 

> drnature <drnature

>

> Connie,

>

> What a wonderful site you have! Very professional. I agree that the website

> work is difficult, it was much more work than I ever

> imagined! I just joined your mailist, it looks great.

>

> Linda

> DrNature

> http://www.drnature.net

>

[Guest guest]

Connie,

 

I also wanted to say, I love the name Whatever Works Wellness. 'Whatever

Works' is definitely my philosophy too.... I'm all for health

and healing whatever form it takes and whatever 'does it' for a person. Thanks

for your generosity, and Crow's too, for allowing us to

talk about our sites, but I won't be pushing it. I was just excited that I

finally got the general look done after everything I tried

and scrapped.

 

Linda

DrNature

http://www.drnature.net

 

tink-im wrote:

 

> Dear Linda:

> I'm so excited to have you on my egroup. Thanks so much for joining, I

> hope it will be of value to you. Thanks also for the compliments on mine.

> Please feel free to post your website to the group as I think its of great

> value to folks.

> love,

> connie

[Guest guest]

Dear Linda:

Whatever works, is an important concept to those who would be healers.

So often I see examples in doctors of: " If I only have a hammer, all I see

is nails " syndrome. If you only ask a surgeon, good chance the answer will

be surgery. But thats not really holistic or whole medicine. What works

for even most of the people may not work for this one. For instance, I've

seen Doctors put people on Chemo, without even explaining why it might work.

They go home, knowing they've just been poisened, and guess what happens?

they just get poisened. If a doctor is gonna use a hammer, he has to

atleast add a placebo effect of why the hammer is a good thing. If not

nothing works.

When people come into our store, we have a policy to never promote fear.

Whatever they are doing for thier health, we add, Oh thats great, I'm sure

that will be helpful, and here are some other things you can do to help give

you some control, and augment the process. Things like meditation,

visualization, Reiki, Theraputic Touch, a bunch of wonderful ways to help.

I also take the time to really explain why thier Dr. gave them thier

treatment. Why Chemo can be good, etc.

Statistics say that 89% of the population believes in the Imperical

scientific model. If thats so, then when in crises 89% of the population

won't think they can get well unless they use western medicine and all that

entails. I believe in peoples belief systems as fundamental to thier

wellness regieme, therefore, whatever works, is usually, whatever they

" believe " will work.

Gosh I do go on, you can tell I love, what I do. :-)

love,

connie

 

(I love everybody, and YOUR NEXT!)

 

 

www.whateverworkswellness.com

 

http://groups..co

 

> drnature <drnature

> Organization: Website: http://www.drnature.net

>

> Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:14:38 -0700

>

> Re: [ADMIN] Our Focus

>

>

> Connie,

>

> I also wanted to say, I love the name Whatever Works Wellness. 'Whatever

> Works' is definitely my philosophy too.... I'm all for health

> and healing whatever form it takes and whatever 'does it' for a person.

> Thanks for your generosity, and Crow's too, for allowing us to

> talk about our sites, but I won't be pushing it. I was just excited that I

> finally got the general look done after everything I tried

> and scrapped.

>

> Linda

> DrNature

> http://www.drnature.net

[Guest guest]

Connie!

What a GREAT THREAT!! " (I love everybody, and YOU'RE NEXT!) "

I'm standing in line! :-)

 

Audrey

Hugs - the best possible gift:

Available anywhere

One size fits all

Fully returnable

[Guest guest]

Dear Audrey:

Ok, it's your turn!!!

love,

connie

 

(I love everybody, and YOUR NEXT!)

 

 

www.whateverworkswellness.com

 

WhateverWorksWellness

 

> audreylee

>

> Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:50:30 -0000

>

> Re: [ADMIN] Our Focus

>

> Connie!

> What a GREAT THREAT!! " (I love everybody, and YOU'RE NEXT!) "

> I'm standing in line! :-)

>

> Audrey

> Hugs - the best possible gift:

> Available anywhere

> One size fits all

> Fully returnable

[Guest guest]

Dear Connie,

And it feels GREAT.

Love to you too.

 

Audrey

 

> Dear Audrey:

> Ok, it's your turn!!!

> love,

> connie

>

> >

> > Connie!

> > What a GREAT THREAT!! " (I love everybody, and YOU'RE NEXT!) "

> > I'm standing in line! :-)

> >

> > Audrey

> > Hugs - the best possible gift:

> > Available anywhere

> > One size fits all

> > Fully returnable