help! hunger never being satistied

[Guest guest]

hi everybody

 

I'de like to discuss with you the issue of " feeling hungry " ,

there are days (usually before periods) when i feel a constant hunger no

matter how much i eat.

I have such a big appetite and when i am hungry " I can almost kill to

achieve the food " .

I become so concentrated about the food, about getting or preparing and i

can not function in other areas until the food is consumed. and then when i

eat --- it's never enough.

I don't binge,,, or something like this. i keep the control. (good education

;-)) but i just want to eat and taste more like never being satisfied,

 

although it is a physical feeling, i feel empotiness in the stomach and the

body cries for food - I feel like a hungry (vegeterenian) tigress who won't

be in peace until she

hunts the food. I am ashame to admit, but when i feel this intense hunger i

pefer my stomach even to the stomaches of my children,,, I can sneak from

their food ... or I first prepare my meal before theirs... (some tigrese

heh? :-))?

 

I lately thought that the source to this hunger come from a mental source.

and that the hunger symbolises something beyond food,

what does such an intense hunger mean?

is it a sign of health or not nessecarily?

 

I hope this is still in focus to the issues of this group , if i am wrong

pardon me and delete the message.

 

thank you for sharing your knowledge, this is the best way to learn:

spontaneously and from other people's experience

Anat

 

ps :

 

although born under the year of the tiger with all the traits of a

tiger-lady - I feel my self many times like a rat... obssessed with

food.,,, eating all the time.... accumulating for hard times... etc.

I had a strong fight with a rat who recently entered our home accidently and

stayed for a week (horrible days and no sleep at nights) so i learned a lot

about their way of life,,,

although many people feel disgusted by rats.... i discovered that they

resemble us (humans) a lot ! intelligent creatures,shrewd strong, thinking

constantly aboout the future and they are t rue survivors. here is another

question: how come we feel so intimidated by rats , why do these creatures

disgust us? - i still don't like them but i have developed a lot of respect

to their amazing inteligence,. I haver a lot of respect to the rat,

[Guest guest]

Anat:

 

I've been pondering posting this, especially after my own noises about

discussing diet, but in your case, Anat, I think your diet is a

pivotal factor. Rather than getting into a lot of details, here are a couple of

links:

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/veg-prob/veg-prob-scen1b.shtml

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-9b.shtml

http://www.chetday.com/vegandietdangers.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & amp;list\

_uids=10966896 & amp;dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & amp;list\

_uids=11053901 & amp;dopt=Abstract

 

If you only read one of the links, choose the first one, the section on " failure

to thrive " . Also, what have you done about that B12

problem you asked about? Do you get any dietary fat at all? Even a small amount

can contribute to satiety, and helps your body process fat

soluble vitamins. You can manage without it for awhile, but not forever.

 

Enough of that, now. Your dietary choices, as we've discussed before, are your

business. I'm not your Mama. Let's talk about the

energetics of hunger.

 

Craving can come from several sources; as someone with an addiction or an eating

disorder can attest, cravings can be completely

irrational; but they aren't always. Some cravings represent physical needs, and

some emotional or energetic needs. Pica, for instance, in

pregnancy, still has not been adequately rationalized, because it often involves

craving to eat things without nutritional value, such as

laundry starch or wax, though cravings for things like chalk or dirt may be

related to mineral deficiencies. When your hormones shift at

the beginning of your cycle, and you are preparing to have your menses, your

body knows it will need more iron, protein and fluids to

balance the release, so you get edema with its attendant discomfort, and some

cravings.

 

If you are not getting satisfaction from your food, the first thing is to

determine if you are eating enough, or eating what your body

needs; if you are satisfied that is so, then you can look at other

possibilities, such as feelings of deprivation or emotional voids that

you are trying to " fill " with food rather than addressing the issues behind

them. Many times these issues arise from the root and sacral

chakra, since eating is a grounding activity and the processing and excretory

organs are in that governed area of the body.

 

The issues we just discussed with Lynn about PMS might be relevant for you (they

are in the archives from last week).

 

What you said about rats was interesting, and what you said about tigers was

interesting. Since you seem to feel that you may incorporate

the " spirit " of each of these animals in some characteristic way, you may try

meditating and speaking to that part of you, asking what the

rat part really needs, or what would make the tiger happy, etc. Since both

these spirits are simply aspects of yourself, you may find some

interesting answers to what may be nibbling at you that could be behind your

urge to nibble yourself.

 

Good luck, Anat.

Crow

 

> I'de like to discuss with you the issue of " feeling hungry " ,

> there are days (usually before periods) when i feel a constant hunger no

matter how much i eat.

> I have such a big appetite and when i am hungry " I can almost kill to achieve

the food " .

> I become so concentrated about the food, about getting or preparing and i can

not function in other areas until the food is consumed. and

> then when i eat --- it's never enough.

> I don't binge,,, or something like this. i keep the control. (good education

;-)) but i just want to eat and taste more like never being

> satisfied, although it is a physical feeling, i feel empotiness in the stomach

and the body cries for food - I feel like a hungry

> (vegeterenian) tigress who won't be in peace until she hunts the food. I am

ashame to admit, but when i feel this intense hunger i pefer

> my stomach even to the stomaches of my children,,, I can sneak from their food

.... or I first prepare my meal before theirs... (some

> tigrese heh? :-))?

> I lately thought that the source to this hunger come from a mental source. and

that the hunger symbolises something beyond food, what

> does such an intense hunger mean?

> is it a sign of health or not nessecarily?

> ps :

> although born under the year of the tiger with all the traits of a tiger-lady

- I feel my self many times like a rat... obssessed with

> food.,,, eating all the time.... accumulating for hard times... etc. I had a

strong fight with a rat who recently entered our home

> accidently and stayed for a week (horrible days and no sleep at nights) so i

learned a lot about their way of life,,,

> although many people feel disgusted by rats.... i discovered that they

resemble us (humans) a lot ! intelligent creatures,shrewd strong,

> thinking

> constantly aboout the future and they are t rue survivors. here is another

question: how come we feel so intimidated by rats , why do

> these creatures disgust us? - i still don't like them but i have developed a

lot of respect to their amazing inteligence,. I haver a lot

> of respect to the rat,

[Guest guest]

crow

 

thank you so much for the valuable links and for the good tips.

I appreciate your efforts.

I read the 2 first urls contents with much intention,

the problem is the gap between Knowing (or awarness) and Action...

also another doubt that i always have is : how to distinguish between

Craving (which you have to listen to because the body is wiser...)

and between Binge?

how would you know the difference?

I know many fat people who would use a cognitive disonance and tell them

selves

" we are respecting the body needs " while they are falling prey to demonic

powers

like addiction to carbohydrates?

 

we can't underestimate cravings. In homeopathy they check

the craving to a specific taste or food as an indication to determine the

remedy-personality and this is one of the most important homeopatic

consideration.

 

thanks again for the special attention.

blessings

anat

[Guest guest]

Anat:

 

I'd define craving as the feeling, and bingeing as the action. You may have lots

of cravings, but never binge, either, just nibble or

indulge moderately. There are so many mixed reasons for craving you can't

assume a person is craving from physical need for a nutrient;

they may be craving from emotional need or patterning. From what you have said,

I think we might have another language break, I doubt you

are actually bingeing.

 

Bingeing implies, like in the joke Anne-Louise sent, that we " ate the whole

thing " , rather than just a taste, or a piece. When a person

binges, it can be related to some kind of eating disorder, such as compulsive

overeating or bulemia; there is usually a period of

deprivation, either self-induced or circumstantially-induced, and when

opportunity presents itself, they overindulge. Many times it is a

carbohydrate or sweet food, but it does not have to be. A binger usually has a

favorite food item they abuse, though.

 

They can give several " rationalizations " for bingeing (like emotional upset or

hormones), but whatever the trigger, something just shuts

down inside for a minute and it ceases to be about food, even pleasure, but a

compulsion to stuff, or a guilty desire, once they start

eating, to hide the evidence of their indulgence. The obsessive tension may

build and build before a binge, and the binge relieves the

tension. Bingers will hide their food and the completed packages, even when they

live alone, like squirrels, and there is often denial or

external compliance with a " normal " diet. Bulemics will complete the cycle by

doing a purge afterwards, taking laxatives or inducing

vomiting (both the binge and the purge are distressing to the system and can

cause long term side effects). Sometimes a person will eat

until they spontaneously vomit.

 

When a person has an eating disorder, it can be worse in some ways than being

addicted to cigarettes, alcohol or drugs... because you can

leave all those other things behind as you recover, but you must always eat!

And carbohydrates and fats, like proteins, are part of a

balanced diet, so they can't be completely eliminated... the brain feeds almost

totally on carbs (though like a lot of other things, most

people provide their bodies with more than it can use, and it's stored as fat).

So it is imperative for a person with eating issues to find

out what the issues are they are trying to feed, and provide themselves with

adequate external support from therapy and peer groups.

 

There is a book by Lee Wallas called " Stories for the Third Ear " that includes a

metaphoric story designed for bulemics about a beautiful

Roman princess who binges and purges; using metaphors such as that for

supporting recovery help because the " charge " is removed from the

behavior ( " Oh, look, there is someone else like me " ), and when it is no longer

illicit, the person may be able to climb over the

guilt/remorse associated with the behavior and confront the issue behind it more

clearly. The story does not endorse the behavior, but

objectifies it in a hypnotic way.

 

Blessings,

Crow

 

 

pine wrote:

 

> crow

>

> thank you so much for the valuable links and for the good tips. I appreciate

your efforts.

> I read the 2 first urls contents with much intention,

> the problem is the gap between Knowing (or awarness) and Action... also

another doubt that i always have is : how to distinguish between

> Craving (which you have to listen to because the body is wiser...) and between

Binge?

> how would you know the difference?

> I know many fat people who would use a cognitive disonance and tell them

selves " we are respecting the body needs " while they are falling

> prey to demonic powers like addiction to carbohydrates?

> we can't underestimate cravings. In homeopathy they check

> the craving to a specific taste or food as an indication to determine the

remedy-personality and this is one of the most important

> homeopatic consideration.

>

> thanks again for the special attention.

> blessings

> anat