Something to Think About

[Guest guest]

How do you feel about this? What are your personal ideas about manifestation

and

success or failure with manifestation?

*******

 

The Three Principles of Manifestation

(from the RET Life Skills Manual)

 

The Principle of Creative Thought: What we believe is what we create.

 

The Principle of Mental Clearing: We must clear our self-limiting beliefs

before

we can manifest new beliefs.

 

The Principle of Vision: In order to manifest, we must have a clear vision of

what we want to create.

 

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--

Blessings,

Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

--

[Guest guest]

crow

 

this is striking a chord within.

 

may i ask what is the meaning of " manifesting " ?

 

Since English is not a mother language to me i am not sure i get the true

meaning...

thanks

Anat

[Guest guest]

Anat:

 

I suppose another way of saying " manifestation " would be creating what you

desire in your life and the world around you, making it so.

Things that people usually try to manifest are prosperity, health, love, peace,

etc. Sometimes people try to manifest specific things, like

a car or job.

 

It could also be seen as a form of wish fulfillment. What is interesting to me

about manifestation is, that it seems to work best when we

are in alignment with a higher purpose, but that we don't always get the

outcomes we thought we would in spite of successful manifestation

of what we asked for. Perhaps that is because our motivations were not very

clear, but it might also be because we don't know what the big

picture is.

 

Chain of events can be initiated with manifestation, as we've discussed before.

Say a child wants a pony, and then, when she gets the

pony, it kicks her brother in the head and kills him. Though there seems a

direct correlation here, it is more of a chain of events that

meanders between cause and effect, and the girl should not feel guilt for her

peripheral role in it. It is doubtful that incident was her

desire. Her desire was to have the pony.

 

But, maybe that is her lesson ;-) How will she feel about that pony she wanted

so badly, after the incident? Will she blame her pet, or

feel responsible herself, or both? Though both feelings are valid (all feelings

are valid) are they reasonable? Imagine that you are the

girl... and then imagine the girl is your child. How would you handle it?

 

That should have you percolating <G>

 

Crow

 

pine wrote:

 

> crow

>

> this is striking a chord within.

>

> may i ask what is the meaning of " manifesting " ?

>

> Since English is not a mother language to me i am not sure i get the true

> meaning...

> thanks

> Anat

>

> -

[Guest guest]

Main Entry: 2manifest

Function: transitive verb

14th century

: to make evident or certain by showing or displaying

synonym see SHOW

- man.i.fest.er noun

 

Here's a free on line multi language dictionary that you can put on

your tool bar.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/index.shtml

 

rusty

 

pine <pine

Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:41 AM

Re: Something to Think About

 

 

>crow

>

>this is striking a chord within.

>

>may i ask what is the meaning of " manifesting " ?

>

>Since English is not a mother language to me i am not sure i get the

true

>meaning...

>thanks

>Anat

[Guest guest]

Crow,

I just started reading 'Excuse me your life is waiting' by Lynn

Grabhorn, and it seems to be all about how you manifest your whole

life by the vibrations you send out into the universe, which come from

how you _feel_, and it's resonding inside me as so true. If you really

want that spiffy car (or whatever) and everytime you see one you whine

about wanting one - that's sending out *No Car* vibes. What you need

to do is experience graditude and appreciation for the spiffy car that

is about to be yours! and -whamo!- it's in your driveway. " (Never mind

how you're going to pay for it, that's not your job to figure out), "

she says. I think this is true and it explains why we don't always get

the results we think we were asking for: we didn't fine tune the

vibrations we sent out quite 'right.' (That horrible 'monkey's paw'

story is an extreem example.)

Audrey

 

 

Crow wrote:

" How do you feel about this? What are your personal ideas about

manifestation [snip] "

[Guest guest]

Audrey, this book is my favourite rave of late....she writes it in a way

that you GET IT!! Many books have been written about the laws of attraction

but she puts it in a way to show you how you usually are focusing on what

you dont want. Have you checked out her website http://www.lynngrabhorn.com

 

My other favourtie book at the moment is The Dark Side Of the Light Chasers

by Debbie Ford. Mostly about how we project the disowned parts of us onto

someone else....I've read heaps about this subject but Debbie puts it in a

way that you understand how to take it back and thereby stop plugging into

other people's stuff.

 

Kate

 

At 07:55 PM 4/25/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Crow,

>I just started reading 'Excuse me your life is waiting' by Lynn

>Grabhorn,

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Audrey:

 

I'll have to read that book, it sounds pretty good ;-)

 

And I think, like many Urban Legends and scary fairy tales, " The Monkey's Paw "

was

written to frighten and chasten people into being careful what they wished for.

Yes, it is extreme, but it is certainly a graphic idea of how things can go awry

if we get what we want, but not necessarily what we need. Maybe they needed to

read the Grabhorn book, too <LOL>

 

Crow

 

audreylee wrote:

 

> Crow,

> I just started reading 'Excuse me your life is waiting' by Lynn Grabhorn, and

it

> seems to be all about how you manifest your whole life by the vibrations you

> send out into the universe, which come from how you _feel_, and it's resonding

> inside me as so true. If you really

> want that spiffy car (or whatever) and everytime you see one you whine about

> wanting one - that's sending out *No Car* vibes. What you need to do is

> experience graditude and appreciation for the spiffy car that is about to be

> yours! and -whamo!- it's in your driveway. " (Never mind

> how you're going to pay for it, that's not your job to figure out), " she says.

I

> think this is true and it explains why we don't always get the results we

think

> we were asking for: we didn't fine tune the vibrations we sent out quite

> 'right.' (That horrible 'monkey's paw'

> story is an extreem example.)

> Audrey

[Guest guest]

just started reading 'Excuse me your life is waiting' by Lynn

Grabhorn, and it seems to be all about how you manifest your whole

life by the vibrations you send out into the universe, which come from

how you _feel_, and it's resonding inside me as so true.

 

Thanks for sharing this book title, Audrey. I've just checked my local

library's database for this book and they have it and I have placed a

hold on it. It sounds fascinating and I can't wait to get my hands on

it. Thanks again!

 

Laurie

[Guest guest]

Dear Crow:

I totally believe in the powers of Manifestation, I just don't think that

what we attempt to manifest is always in our highest good, so sometimes it

seems like it's not working, but it is. I find also, the a sense of

detachment from the issue helps.

I can manifest much better for other people than I can for myself. I

think its the detachment thing, it could also be a result of an underlying

issue of non worthiness.

love,

connie

 

>

> How do you feel about this? What are your personal ideas about manifestation

> and

> success or failure with manifestation?

> *******

[Guest guest]

Kate,

Yeah, she writes very down to earth ;-)

Audrey

 

Kate wrote:

> Audrey, this book is my favourite rave of late....she writes it in a

way

> that you GET IT!!

 

>

> Audrey wrote:

> >Crow,

> >I just started reading 'Excuse me your life is waiting' by Lynn

> >Grabhorn,

[Guest guest]

Crow,

Undoubtably they needed to be _much more specific_ in their request!

<g>

Audrey

 

 

Crow wrote:

" The Monkey's Paw " was written to frighten and chasten people into

being careful what they wished for. Yes, it is extreme, but it is

certainly a graphic idea of how things can go awry if we get what we

want, but not necessarily what we need. Maybe they needed to read the

Grabhorn book, too <LOL>

Crow "

>

> audreylee@n... wrote:

> > Crow,

> > I just started reading 'Excuse me your life is waiting' by Lynn

Grabhorn,

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

You're welcome. I got it from someone else on some list (this one?)

who I am also grateful (if forgetful) to.

Audrey

 

, Laurie Filsinger <Teddii189@c...> wrote:

> 'Excuse me your life is waiting' by Lynn

> Grabhorn,

>

> Thanks for sharing this book title, Audrey. I've just checked my

local

> library's database for this book and they have it and I have placed

a

> hold on it. It sounds fascinating and I can't wait to get my hands

on

> it. Thanks again!

>

> Laurie

[Guest guest]

I wonder how it is that so many - most. all? - of us with

judeau-christian backgrounds, have this belief of non worthiness.

Think about this: would God make something that is un worthy????

Audrey

 

, tink-im <tink-im@c...> wrote:

> Dear Crow:

> I totally believe in the powers of Manifestation, I just don't

think that

> what we attempt to manifest is always in our highest good, so

sometimes it

> seems like it's not working, but it is. I find also, the a sense of

> detachment from the issue helps.

> I can manifest much better for other people than I can for myself.

I

> think its the detachment thing, it could also be a result of an

underlying

> issue of non worthiness.

> love,

> connie

[Guest guest]

Audrey:

 

I don't think that is confined to Judeo-Christian mindsets, though it may be

more

obvious to us within that framework that religion can contribute to feelings of

low self-esteem at times.

 

Think about how a child responds to death or loss; many times it is

internalized,

and they " blame " themselves for something that they had absolutely no control

over. They imagine that bad things happen because they are not good enough, and

if they try to be good, then bad things won't happen, or they'll get more good

things. We use this reinforcing behavior with children all the time, probably

because it was used on us to manipulate our behavior into responsible and

compliant parameters ( " Santa is watching you " , " If you're good you'll get ice

cream " , " You've been bad, go to your room without supper " , " Your goldfish died

because you didn't take care of it " , " If you go outside in the dark the Boogyman

will get you " )

 

But just imagine, from the perspective of a " clean slate " , how those statements

must feel. Say them to yourself now. How do you feel? Self esteem is self

developed, but it must be nurtured from the outside as well. Children do not

have

the perspective to understand many things in the long range, but they do have

the

heart to understand the basics if they are presented to them gently and

honestly,

rather than with manipulation and subtle half truths. Children need structure

to

feel safe, they need discipline to help them corral their impulses and gifts.

But

they don't respond well to punishment or coercion, any more than we would.

 

In religion, you may get that same message... if you are " good " you go to

Heaven,

if you are " bad " God punishes you and you go to Hell. You touched the stove

once,

you know what burning feels like. You imagine feeling that for a long time, and

it scares you. God is scary, to have that kind of power. And so it goes. We

might be told that God don't make no trash, but if we rationalize that a lot of

people have gone to Hell for being " bad " , we may not be able to see our beauty

and

internal divinity for the fear. We know we are " bad " , people tell us that all

the

time. For most folks, that is why they can't conceive a God who loves

unconditionally and forgives for the asking, so they can't do it themselves

without retraining. Ironically, it is not the desire for Heaven and God's

presence, but the fear of Hell and damnation, that forms their behavior.

(Doesn't

that fit with what we've been saying about manifestation?)

 

As parents and caregivers, we have to remember that old saying, " Little pitchers

have big ears " and know how impressionable children can be, and how much they

strive to hear and see everything in an effort to understand the world around

them. If they develop misperceptions from ugly words and lies early in life,

it's

hard to correct that later (though not impossible!) They create an iconic

representation of the world based on their early experiences of mother, father,

siblings, grandparents, teachers and other authority figures such as

priests/nuns/ministers and civil servants (policemen/firemen). A bad experience

with any of those icons can change how the child feels about the world as a safe

and good place to be, or how they feel about themselves as worthy or good. They

can be imprinted with messages that they develop into self-fulfilling prophecies

or angry rebellion ( " You'll never amount to anything " , " You'll be in jail before

you're twenty " , " You're ugly/fat/stupid/etc " )

 

Probably the worst imaginable thing that we instill in our children is teaching

them to keep secrets. Secretiveness, even if it is to maintain privacy

(goodness

knows children will air your dirty laundry anywhere) only supports an idea in

children that lying or hiding the truth is okay under certain circumstances,

especially if telling the truth will get you or someone else in trouble.

Telling

a secret is " bad " ; keeping a secret is " good " . Don't we do that to our friends

all the time... " Can you keep a secret? "

 

((I'm not endorsing gossip here, which is another issue that is damaging and has

a

lot to do with a person's self esteem, as well; a person who gossips is bearing

false witness, in an attempt to puff up their importance or make themselves look

better in comparison, to themselves and others. It's an irrelevant and

dangerous

habit.))

 

Secrets and lies are one of the keystones of abusive households and

relationships. A sexual perpetrator will groom a child by using the concept of

a

" special secret " to develop and maintain an unhealthy bond. Of course we want to

teach our children a sense of privacy and boundaries, but I think it can be done

from a more proactive stance of saying that some things are special to you and

belong only to you, rather than implying that they are dirty or need to be

hidden.

 

Too bad we don't have instructions printed on us when we are born, eh? And that

it is hard to be a good parent if you weren't parented well... heck, it's hard

to

parent even if you were ;-) I just like to encourage people who have been

parented

poorly (that is not a value judgement, parents can be wonderful people but still

be lousy parents and mates) to seek some form of therapy to work on their

childhood issues before they perpetuate them in their relationships with their

children and partners. It is a proactive thing to do and can save some pain for

the next generation by stopping the cycle of abuse, neglect and manipulation.

 

What a gift!

Crow

 

 

 

audreylee wrote:

 

> I wonder how it is that so many - most. all? - of us with judeau-christian

> backgrounds, have this belief of non worthiness. Think about this: would God

> make something that is un worthy????

> Audrey

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie,

 

Looks like we are in a couple of groups together...So nice to hear your

perspective :-)

I know what you mean about the need to detach in order to help manifest.

 

Awe life...what a journey...

 

Love, Patti

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate & Audrey, (and everyone else)

'

I am not sure where you guys live, but I have noticed that my local newage

book store has had the author in person, several times over the past 6 months

with a workshop on the book. I live in Oregon and think the author may be

from this area. I too really enjoyed the book! Hope you continue to enjoy

it, and share your perspectives...

 

Thanks so much for sharing!

 

:-) Patti

[Guest guest]

Interesting connection...

 

I had not thought of that, but I think you may really be onto something :-)

[Guest guest]

Patti,

 

Lynn wont be at my local bookstore, for a while anyway....*g*....I live in

Christchurch New Zealand.

 

Kate

 

At 02:10 AM 4/27/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi Kate & Audrey, (and everyone else)

>'

>I am not sure where you guys live, but I have noticed that my local newage

>book store has had the author in person, several times over the past 6 months

>with a workshop on the book. I live in Oregon and think the author may be

>from this area. I too really enjoyed the book! Hope you continue to enjoy

>it, and share your perspectives...

>

>Thanks so much for sharing!

>

>:-) Patti

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wow, I don't know the Monkey Paw story but this warning reminds me of

Ursula LeGuin's " The Lathe of Heaven " . I haven't read the book but

saw the movie on PBS this past year and hear they are making an

updated movie version of it too....

 

MichelleH

 

>

> " The Monkey's Paw " was written to frighten and chasten people into

> being careful what they wished for. Yes, it is extreme, but it is

> certainly a graphic idea of how things can go awry if we

> get what we want, but not necessarily what we need.

[Guest guest]

(I'm in North Carolina, USA

Audrey)

 

, Kate Strong <kates@i...> wrote:

> Patti,

>

> Lynn wont be at my local bookstore, for a while anyway....*g*....I

live in

> Christchurch New Zealand.

>

> Kate

>

> At 02:10 AM 4/27/01 -0400, you wrote:

> >Hi Kate & Audrey, (and everyone else)

> >'

> >I am not sure where you guys live, but I have noticed that my local

newage

> >book store has had the author in person, several times over the

past 6 months

> >with a workshop on the book. I live in Oregon and think the author

may be

> >from this area. I too really enjoyed the book! Hope you continue

to enjoy

> >it, and share your perspectives...

> >

> >Thanks so much for sharing!

> >

> >:-) Patti

>

>

>