just some advise on some feelings and signs

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if any of you could help me out. In December there was an

accident close to my house where this truck went off the road and the young

girl died and her father survived. When I heard it on the television, I

instantly felt a presence, then when I drove over the River I felt it big

time. I asked someone, and she confirmed what I was feeling, which is the

little girl's presence. I asked her some questions, using muscle testing, and

the purpose of this is that she would like me to contact her father. Now, I

don't know them in any way and have no idea how to get in touch with him, and

besides I am sure he would think I was a complete nut. This is all very new

to me, and I am not sure I am ready to be doing this kind of communicating,

just very unsure I guess. It is something I have always been interested in

and would love to do this. I also have some different opinions from my

husband and he has told me to forget it and let it be. Well, I believe she is

trying to give me signs and I finally heard it last night. On the HWY very

close to where she died there has been 3 accidents, bad ones, in the one I

know someone died and the one last night, if someone survived it was a

miracle. I don't believe she is like haunting this area and making people

die, but I think my passing them is no accident. Weird that in about a month

there has been 3 big accidents on a relatively normal part of the HWY, it

isn't a dangerous part at all. While passing this I felt her and asked some

questions, not many because it is always she wants me to contact her Dad. Oh,

and there was a body found, a man, not long ago in the same river not far

from where she died. I kept feeling a presence and didn't know why, then they

found this body, the presence was gone. Or I thought so anyway. It is all

very strange to me and not sure of what to do, I was just wondering if you

guys had any insight into the signs.

Thanks so much......Deb

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 06/08/2001 11:15:36 AM Central Daylight Time,

debdowap writes:

 

 

> the purpose of this is that she would like me to contact her father. Now, I

> don't know them in any way and have no idea how to get in touch with him,

> and

>

 

perhaps if you set your intention to do fulfill her desire your way will be

made known. I really feel like this would be a hard task you are called to

do. Maybe a card or a letter starting out with " I know must think me a nut

case, but I am sincere in my efforts to contact you at your daughters request

from the other side... " Then leave it up to the man to get in touch with

you. I sense you will feel no peace until you have at least attempted to

fulfill this commitment. anyway I wish you peace in this hard task. Cecelia

Be love and laugh!!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Linda,

The muscle testing is something you perform with your own hands. I use my

fingers, almost as if to cross them pushing down on the one finger, pointer one.

I ask what a yes answer is and then a no answer. For people starting with it,use

your middle finger and thumb with both hands interlocking them together. When

you ask a question pull the hands to break the interlocking, the yes answer will

stay together and the no will break apart. There are books that have sections of

muscle testing in them, I have not seen one on just muscle testing. It is much

like using a pendulum.

With this person in the coma, It would be my belief that you could communicate

with them in this manor. It is just you have to trust in the answers and not

tothink you are making it up because this is what you want it to be. I know when

I first began using muscle testing I always thought it was because I wanted it

to be that answer, the more I did it the more I began to trust it. It is

basically communicating with your higher self. I do this all the time,

especially with illness to find out if it is something I need to be concerned

about. I have been lost, something I do all the time, and I have found where I

needed to by trusting in the answers. I was amazed the first time I found this

bank after making several turns and when I turned the last corner it was there,

wow....It made a believer out of me.I think that with this person if you were

there asking the questions and getting the answers you might be able to see the

answers coming through their body to confirm. You need to!

be really aware. If it were me,

 

I would do a meditation there with them and ask to connect with their soul and

then start asking the questions. I would re-ask the questions each time to make

sure. When I first communicated with this girls spirit I asked over and over and

kept getting the same answers. Sometimes it can be confusing if the question is

to hard, or put in the wrong way. I was very fortunate that I did some spiritual

healing and she used this method and so I learned how from her.

Good Luck and please do write back and let us know what happens. Just remember

to have faith in it and trust the answers.Practice first, on stuff you know the

answers to. Be sure they are put in yes and no questions and not something in

the future, future is tough to get the right answers.

You know, the body knows what it needs to heal and maybe you can communicate

with this person's body to see what it needs to wake up. There must be some fear

that needs to be cleared so it can let go of this comfort zone. The body reacts

in such strange ways sometimes.

Oh, something you might ask is, is there any deception in that answer, this will

help in trustingthe answers. Before you begin with the questions with this

person as for them to respond with a sign with their body and then watch closely

for the sign. Good Luck!!! Debbie

ps sorry about the typing I am on a different computer and it isn't cooperating

properly. te he

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

I was reading along and you mentioned something about muscle testing.I am

wondering if this is the same technique used in communicating coma

patients.My friends son is in a coma,and i have been told there are ways of

communicating with people in coma's by way of reading subtle body movements

whether it be muscle,body heat etc.If this sounds to be the same thing you

are talking about,could you go into better detail of this,and do you know if

there is any specific word for this,and where i can find information about

it?Thanks so much for any help you may be able to offer.

Blessings,

Linda W.

 

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I asked her some questions, using muscle testing, and

>the purpose of this is that she would like me to contact her father.

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[Guest guest]

Deb,

 

Having been at the same place you're at, wondering whether to help this

girl, I think there's a number of things to take into consideration. Is

this what you want to do? Is this the next step on your path? I believe

there will always be a spirit with a request or a need, just like people

who are living. Do you have the time and the energy and knowledge of self

protection to work in this area. Because it wont just stop at the little

girl. You'll sense *thing to be done* wherever you go. I was very open to

doing this kind of work, I tend to naturally sense energy of the departed

in houses . Then it got to a point where there were more people in my house

who were dead than living and it felt too crowded.*g* So I said no more.

The demands of my family had to come first.

 

Kate

 

At 11:25 AM 6/8/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Hello everyone,

>I was wondering if any of you could help me out. In December there was an

>accident close to my house where this truck went off the road and the young

>girl died and her father survived.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Deb...

 

Kate raises a couple of good points. If you are able to

communiate with discarnates, you may end up spending more of

your time than you would like doing that, and not all

discarnates are pleasant " people " do deal with. Discarnates

are typically very much the same as the people they were

before they transitioned, so you can " meet " all types.

 

At the same time, discarnates are typically stuck between

dimensions, and they need help to complete their

transition. You may be able to do that from time to time.

If this work appeals to you, you will need to develop the

ability to protect yourself. You might wish to read

SHAMAN, HEALER, SAGE, by Alberto Villoldo, as a start.

 

Meanwhile, see if you can find out why the little girl needs

to contact her father and why she can't do that directly.

Remember when dealing with discarnates, you need a balance

of compassion and firmness. Tell the little girl to

remember who she is and where she came from. Good luck.

--

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Joel P. Bowman, Ph.D.

Email: joel.bowman

Department of Business Information Systems

Western Michigan University

http://spider.hcob.wmich.edu/~bowman

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[Guest guest]

debdowap wrote:

 

> Hi Linda,

> The muscle testing is something you perform with your own hands. I use

> my fingers, almost as if to cross them pushing down on the one finger,

> pointer one. I ask what a yes answer is and then a no answer. For

> people starting with it,use your middle finger and thumb with both

> hands interlocking them together.

 

Is this interlock like a chain interlock? This is fascinating. Have

others had success with this?

 

My husband has had a job offer in another state (we are from PA and the

offer is in AL). It came out of the blue -- he had not been on a job

search. Something tells us we should take the job, yet we can't figure

out why. We love our home, our families are here, we like our current

jobs, and we like snow! It would mean that I would give up my

business. Yet, something keeps pulling us to this move. I've nearly

made myself ill over the indecision. We'd like to have a little dove

bring a note to us with the answer. I'm sure you all have been in a

similar situation. I feel I have that good ol' women's intuition, but

you all are so very much more in touch with your inner self. Any

suggestions other than this possible muscle testing to guide us in

making a right decision?

 

P.S. I did a few tests with answers that I pretty-much knew, like you

suggested, while interlocking the thumb and middle finger in a

chain-like interlock and pulling, it seemed to work. Then, I asked the

question should we go and the answer was YES, GO. Now if it would only

tell me WHY ;o)

 

-- Lynn

lcokie

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Deb...

 

The best advice I can give you is to get in touch with someone who is

a professional medium and has a good reputation, and ask him/her what

they would do in a situation like this. They can tell you both about

increasing your skill AND what the common reactions of the living are

to being approached by someone communicating with the dead. The only

person I can recommend is Dr. Lauren Thibodeau and her email address

is lauren. Her web site is http://www.drlauren.com.

I'm sure she could give you some good advice on how to handle this

situation and your feelings.

 

Peace,

Karyn

http://www.seekerscircle.com

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[Guest guest]

Deb:

 

I'm finally getting around to this; it looks like you've had some

good and solid advice from the group already so I'm going to try

to rein myself in <G>

 

debdowap wrote:

>

> I asked her some questions, using

> muscle testing, and

> the purpose of this is that she would like me to contact her

> father. Now, I

> don't know them in any way and have no idea how to get in touch

> with him, and

> besides I am sure he would think I was a complete nut.

 

Well, he may or may not think you are a complete nut. It could be

that you can send him and his family a sympathy card via the

newspaper or another media outlet that covered the story, without

directly contacting him. If your indicators are that she is safe

and happy and wants her family to know that, then that is really

all you need to say. Many people look for signs of that when they

lose a family member abruptly. Perhaps they have not been aware

that she has tried to contact them herself.

 

> This is

> all very new

> to me, and I am not sure I am ready to be doing this kind of

> communicating,

> just very unsure I guess. It is something I have always been

> interested in

> and would love to do this. I also have some different opinions

> from my

> husband and he has told me to forget it and let it be.

 

Forgetting it is easier said than done, but you could also pray

for the family to be open to communicating with her if it is

appropriate and leave it at that.

 

If you are truly interested in developing skills in mediumship,

there are good ways to do that. Contacting a medium is one place

to start; another way is to educate yourself in your intuitive

skills and practice in a more structured way. Karyn's site

http://www.seekerscircle.com has some good courses on developing

intuition, for instance. She also moderates a Club on

Intuition Development.

 

I also co-moderate Paranormal_Talk at (it tends to be

slow) and this subject crops up occasionally. I don't know where

you are, but there is a school in the UK (The Arthur Findlay

College: http://www.snu.org.uk/index2.htm ) that trained a friend

of mine who is a medium in Boston, John Holland, and I have a URL

for the Morris Pratt Institute, which has formal training in

spiritualism and other areas: http://www.morrispratt.org

 

I think that mediumship is a calling. It is certainly not the

same as other kinds of intuitive work, such as the personal

reading and medical intuitive work I do. Like someone said

recently, you can really open the door on a Pandora's box when

you make it clear to the unincorporated that you are open to

being a conduit as their message service, so it's not something

you should do lightly or without preparation.

 

 

> It is all

> very strange to me and not sure of what to do, I was just

> wondering if you

> guys had any insight into the signs.

> Thanks so much......Deb

>

 

It also sounds as if that particular area, because of its history

of multiple fatal traumas, may have some pretty strong energy

related to it. In many cases, what we perceive as 'ghosts' are

simply the strong energy leftovers from a trauma, not the spirits

themselves, which may have moved on but left that loop of energy

discharge like a film negative at the site.

 

In some cases, when a spirit does not realize they are dead or

they are stubborn, they don't move on. In those cases a helpful

'push' towards the light, a simple acknowledgement to them that

their work is done and they can go on about their business, may

be all that is needed. If they are intractable, the area could

probably be cleared by a person or group that is familiar with

spirit releasing methods. I don't like the term exorcism and

don't believe that spirits need to be 'cast out' any more than

live people do, just encouraged to move along and quit loitering.

 

Unincorporated spirits who have not moved on tend to be real 'one

note Charlies'. They obsess on something and won't let go of it

until somebody pays attention to them. Why should they give up?

They have nothing else to do in the limbo they're in. Your

'little girl' sounds like that.

 

Another tendency of these 'stuck' spirits is to hang on to human

emotions such as fear, anger, spite and the like, or their

desires for human habits such as eating, smoking, drinking, drug

use or sex (grounding behaviors). They may have impossible

physical complaints, such as telling you " I'm cold. " And if you

encounter a spirit who wants revenge, I guarantee you they have

not moved on yet, they're still in limbo land.

 

There's nothing particularly romantic about lingering after you

are dead. There is no reason to believe that you cannot continue

to contact your loved ones 'from the other side' if you still

feel it is relevant once you get there ;-) I watch John Edward

almost every night on the SciFi channel, and I have to say that I

wouldn't want to be doing that on a daily basis, being a phone

service for the dead. But it seems to be helpful on some level

for some people to hear someone else tell them what they can get

for themselves if they sit still and listen.

 

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