x-rays and fears and rayons de solleille

[Guest guest]

dear dear connie

 

i see your point clearly... it might be that my roots and connection to My

motherland are in disguise of fear from x rays.

 

i'll think about it, though i must tell you that i never agreed

to x-ray my self or the kids. not even at the dentist. and that is

something so fundamental i live with for about 15 years, before deciding to

immigrate.

 

about sun rays versus x-ray. I do not agree with you. I trust the sun

completely - it is the creation of God. it elevates the mood, good for the

bones , for the flowers etc. of course tanning the body is harmful because

it's overuse . even overuse of a healthy food like bannana ans papaias and

cherries can lead to indigestion. (here i wish i could express my self

better by words, but with you perceptive guys i can even speak with initials

and you'de understand ;-)

 

x-rays and xray machines and the awful smell in radiology rooms (i always

had an instinct to run away from that bad smell) are a product of human

beings. no consumption of them is good . nor even in small amounts. I think

that people justify the use of unnecessary human-made radiation by accusing

the sun and other nature circumstances like living on the mountains. I think

it is a denial (defense mechanism) process

which is something legitimate, but still it is a denial.

the problem with very small amounts that they have somtiume a Significance

influence ( see homeopathy) over our biology.

 

you can't compare nature hazards to human-made hazards. I believe nature is

wiser and knows how to compensate.

human-made hazards seem to me much more destructive and it is more difficult

to accept them.

 

it is more difficult to accept a traffic accident , or murder, or a doctor

mistake, or rape or maladies caused by people factor

(like getting dangerous rays from microvave)

than to accept a volcano burst or an earthquake.

 

I trust nature completely. It's like a feeling to be " in the lap of the god

(remember the queens song)? " with nature gifts and blessings (like sun,

sleep, fruits, fresh air, sex, imagination) you just have to practice

moderation (this is still a lesson for me to learn) and then you'll be just

fine!!!!!!! healthy

 

with human-made things i always become suspicious. I really try not to

consume industial food for example, avoid doctors ,

avoide negative people , and avoid x rays

 

this is the clear distinction IN my mind.

 

---

however there was something very very correct in your post which i am very

grateful to you for reminding it me:

the endorphines stuff, the thrill, the fresh feeling of a better place which

may have a heavier weight. thank you so much.

best

Anat

 

I hope i didn't annoy people here by talking about denial...

or using microwave etc. it was not my meaning at all. i just want to explore

deepier and understand more and act with a peacful heart in the future.

Anat

[Guest guest]

I would just like to add my 2 cents about the SUN and disease. I for one

believe the sun has healing powers and one needs it. I am also one,

originally being from California, who used to lay in the sun daily and still

would if I had the time or liked the heat as much as I did before. I do agree

with Anat in her thinking, the life out doors needs the sun in order to grow,

sure the sun can kill what is out doors but this is because the life out

doors needs other things contributed to grow, such as water and also needs

the time away from the sun. But in order for something to grow properly it

needs the sun.

Well, I would have to disagree with the Sun causing skin cancer, seems just

an answer to pacify many people. We as humans in this day and age need to

have a reason for everything, why, I don't know. This has been the purpose

for the doctors today, finding answers and finding ways to get rid of what

ever it is. Their purpose has not been to cure, which is where they should

be. There should be more doctors studding the human body and the energy

within it and the ability to heal itself. The body is one amazing temple, it

has total ability to heal, it just needs all of the belief to be able to do

so. And the mind is one powerful contributing factor to that belief. With

the complete belief from the mind, the body is totally capable of healing

anything within itself.

For me, there is too much unnatural stuff in this world to believe that

something that has been around here over looking us and providing us with

light and color has been the total cause of skin cancer. The colors the sun

provides us with, it helps us heal as well. If we had no color there would

be no beauty, without the beauty we would have no hope, no dreams nothing to

look forward to. We take color for granted everyday, but just think if we had

no color, what would our life be like. I find that using something as

beautiful as the sun as an excuse is an escape. I feel it is impossible for

the doctors and scientists to know for sure that the sun has caused the

cancer. Not with all of the other unnatural stuff there is.

Ummmmmmmm...........you know......if they all believe that the sun causes

cancer, then why do they use the sun to grow the food we eat. Wouldn't it

make sense if the sun can cause cancer on the skin of a human being, then

couldn't it cause cancer on the skin of the food. Or the animals one eats,

they put the animals out in the sun until time to butcher, why don't they

have the cancer as humans do.

I just have questions when it comes to the medical field, and I for one have

faith in my body to be able to heal itself. Disease is a sign in which our

body is trying to communicate, trying to let us know.....hey there isn't

something right and I need to have it healed. And there was probably smaller

signs given to someone along their lifetime and they didn't listen and hear

what their bodies were trying to tell them is why the major disease.

Sorry to have gone on, but this is something I feel strongly about. And

wanted to add my 2 cents. You all Have a Great Day!

Debbie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Anat:

I understand your preferences on all things natural. But in this earth

things natural are not all that safe either. I suspect more people are

getting skin cancer from the sun then are getting radiation poisening from

thier xrays. And thats not just people who over do it,, such as getting a

tan, I'm talking about farmers who have to be in the sun countless hours to

grow " all natural " food, they are getting the skin cancers. The sun tho

natural can kill a person without shelter in not too many days. The shelter

is man made. We don't have fur to protect us from it, so we make man man

clothes, shelter, etc. All the beautiful water in the ocean, and we can't

drink it without man made contraptions to get the salt out of it. All the

beautiful snow in the cold regions, and we can't live in it without freezing

without man made protection.

We all have to choose our poisens in this world, I have a computor, yet I

recycle. When I know that the production of chips is one of our biggest

ecological dangers, and that computors are not biodegradable, and I sure

wouldn't live without my remote control. It's a conflict.

I'm very concerned about the depleting ozone layer, and want to bann

arosol cans again, but oh the thrill of watching them land on Mars in the

space program. Sending things into space is a huge destroyer of the ozone.

There are contradictions everywhere within me, and I need to realize that

I'm making choices, out of preference not absolutes.

If you don't use xrays to find out a child has an absessed tooth, and once

you find out late in the process and don't use antibiotics to deal with it,

you actually could be accused of child abuse, much more, the child would

then most likely loose the whole tooth. In nursing we call this " risk

versis benefit " analysis. Every move you take you have to consider the risk

vs benifit. And that decesion needs to be made on each individual

situation, not in a broad general sweeping zealous way.

My suggestion to you, would be, in considering the xrays, what is the

risk, vs the benifit of going? All of life is a risk, we have to choose now

and then. the lessor of evils. And if you consider xray to be homeopathic,

what would it be the cure for homeopathically? more xrays or the sun

perhaps. Thats how homeopathics work, its like a allergy shot.

So these are just some of my ideas, as I have to make these decesions alot

as a nurse, a wellness store owner and as a human. None are all that easy.

My good luck to you in choosing what will ultimatly be best for you and your

family.

 

> " pine " <pine

>

> Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:27:05 +0300

>

> Re: x-rays and fears and " rayons de solleille "

>

> dear dear connie

>

> i see your point clearly... it might be that my roots and connection to My

> motherland are in disguise of fear from x rays.

>

> i'll think about it, though i must tell you that i never agreed

> to x-ray my self or the kids. not even at the dentist. and that is

> something so fundamental i live with for about 15 years, before deciding to

> immigrate.

>

> about sun rays versus x-ray. I do not agree with you. I trust the sun

> completely - it is the creation of God. it elevates the mood, good for the

> bones , for the flowers etc. of course tanning the body is harmful because

> it's overuse . even overuse of a healthy food like bannana ans papaias and

> cherries can lead to indigestion. (here i wish i could express my self

> better by words, but with you perceptive guys i can even speak with initials

> and you'de understand ;-)

>

> x-rays and xray machines and the awful smell in radiology rooms (i always

> had an instinct to run away from that bad smell) are a product of human

> beings. no consumption of them is good . nor even in small amounts. I think

> that people justify the use of unnecessary human-made radiation by accusing

> the sun and other nature circumstances like living on the mountains. I think

> it is a denial (defense mechanism) process

> which is something legitimate, but still it is a denial.

> the problem with very small amounts that they have somtiume a Significance

> influence ( see homeopathy) over our biology.

>

> you can't compare nature hazards to human-made hazards. I believe nature is

> wiser and knows how to compensate.

> human-made hazards seem to me much more destructive and it is more difficult

> to accept them.

>

> it is more difficult to accept a traffic accident , or murder, or a doctor

> mistake, or rape or maladies caused by people factor

> (like getting dangerous rays from microvave)

> than to accept a volcano burst or an earthquake.

>

> I trust nature completely. It's like a feeling to be " in the lap of the god

> (remember the queens song)? " with nature gifts and blessings (like sun,

> sleep, fruits, fresh air, sex, imagination) you just have to practice

> moderation (this is still a lesson for me to learn) and then you'll be just

> fine!!!!!!! healthy

>

> with human-made things i always become suspicious. I really try not to

> consume industial food for example, avoid doctors ,

> avoide negative people , and avoid x rays

>

> this is the clear distinction IN my mind.

>

> ---

> however there was something very very correct in your post which i am very

> grateful to you for reminding it me:

> the endorphines stuff, the thrill, the fresh feeling of a better place which

> may have a heavier weight. thank you so much.

> best

> Anat

>

> I hope i didn't annoy people here by talking about denial...

> or using microwave etc. it was not my meaning at all. i just want to explore

> deepier and understand more and act with a peacful heart in the future.

> Anat

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Anat,

I enjoy hearing from you. Please don't worry; you belong here.

Audrey

 

 

> I hope i didn't annoy people here by talking about denial...

> or using microwave etc. it was not my meaning at all. i just want

to explore

> deepier and understand more and act with a peacful heart in the

future.

> Anat

[Guest guest]

Dear Connie

 

your posts are full with compasion.

thank you very much for the support. you make me think

in a more flexible and sensible way. Thank you dear capricorn.

Anat

[Guest guest]

Dear Anat:

Your so welcome. I wish you all the safety, security and love you deserve.

It can be a very scarry world out there at times, so much of the media sells

products by promoting fear. And fear triggers us all in different ways. I

often need the balance of the group to help me understand what is fear from

propoganda, and what is good caution. I often vent my fears to a friend of

mine who is 80 years old. He's survived everything, including concentration

camps, and he's wise in knowing what to fear. He smokes, and drinks and

loves deeply, and his best advice is to trust love as it's always safe.

love

connie

 

> Dear Connie

>

> your posts are full with compasion.

> thank you very much for the support. you make me think

> in a more flexible and sensible way. Thank you dear capricorn.

> Anat

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Deb:

These are good points you make. I do think that we need the sun, and that

too little will wilt us, but too much of anything isn't the best idea. It's

a very powerful thing that sun, wonderful as it is. You say people have

lived for thousands of years without ill effects of the sun, well, sorta,

but thier life spans were very short. How can you tell if the sun causes

cancer in someone who's average life expectancy is only 30 years? What

would be the benifit of scientists to lie and say that too much sun can

cause cancer? How do they themselves profit from this lie? They certainly

aren't being paid by the " dark " owners.

Not everything is propoganda, some science would have to be true by virtue

of accident if nothing else.

love

connie

 

> debdowap

>

> Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:50:17 EDT

>

> Re: x-rays and fears and " rayons de solleille "

>

> I would just like to add my 2 cents about the SUN and disease. I for one

> believe the sun has healing powers and one needs it. I am also one,

> originally being from California, who used to lay in the sun daily and still

> would if I had the time or liked the heat as much as I did before. I do agree

> with Anat in her thinking, the life out doors needs the sun in order to grow,

> sure the sun can kill what is out doors but this is because the life out

> doors needs other things contributed to grow, such as water and also needs

> the time away from the sun. But in order for something to grow properly it

> needs the sun.

> Well, I would have to disagree with the Sun causing skin cancer, seems just

> an answer to pacify many people. We as humans in this day and age need to

> have a reason for everything, why, I don't know. This has been the purpose

> for the doctors today, finding answers and finding ways to get rid of what

> ever it is. Their purpose has not been to cure, which is where they should

> be. There should be more doctors studding the human body and the energy

> within it and the ability to heal itself. The body is one amazing temple, it

> has total ability to heal, it just needs all of the belief to be able to do

> so. And the mind is one powerful contributing factor to that belief. With

> the complete belief from the mind, the body is totally capable of healing

> anything within itself.

> For me, there is too much unnatural stuff in this world to believe that

> something that has been around here over looking us and providing us with

> light and color has been the total cause of skin cancer. The colors the sun

> provides us with, it helps us heal as well. If we had no color there would

> be no beauty, without the beauty we would have no hope, no dreams nothing to

> look forward to. We take color for granted everyday, but just think if we had

> no color, what would our life be like. I find that using something as

> beautiful as the sun as an excuse is an escape. I feel it is impossible for

> the doctors and scientists to know for sure that the sun has caused the

> cancer. Not with all of the other unnatural stuff there is.

> Ummmmmmmm...........you know......if they all believe that the sun causes

> cancer, then why do they use the sun to grow the food we eat. Wouldn't it

> make sense if the sun can cause cancer on the skin of a human being, then

> couldn't it cause cancer on the skin of the food. Or the animals one eats,

> they put the animals out in the sun until time to butcher, why don't they

> have the cancer as humans do.

> I just have questions when it comes to the medical field, and I for one have

> faith in my body to be able to heal itself. Disease is a sign in which our

> body is trying to communicate, trying to let us know.....hey there isn't

> something right and I need to have it healed. And there was probably smaller

> signs given to someone along their lifetime and they didn't listen and hear

> what their bodies were trying to tell them is why the major disease.

> Sorry to have gone on, but this is something I feel strongly about. And

> wanted to add my 2 cents. You all Have a Great Day!

> Debbie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Connie:

I am not sure I have said to live ones life in the sun from sun up to sun

down, because I too believe you can have too much of a good thing. But, the

time frame scientists, doctors and such are speaking of for the skin cancer

are no more than what an average person spends in the sun without protection.

I have known people who have had skin cancer who hardly ever spent much time

out in the sun.....just the normal childhood play and maybe some basic time

as an adult.

You ask what is the benefit for a scientist to lie, well for one thing I

didn't say they were lying, (just grasping) I said they have just chosen the

sun to put blame on for the skin cancer instead of choosing to find something

which is of an unnatural nature. One of which I am sure would take much more

time in finding, it is much easier to put blame on the sun, mainly because it

is of the unknown and is much easier to do so. It is so much easier for the

basic human being to accept something of the unknown such as the sun rather

than to accept it was something they actually did to themselves. Haven't you

noticed that there isn't many things that cause disease in which we have

actually done or put into our bodies. I can remember when I was a kid that

they were saying saccharin was a possibility for cancer, and they are still

today saying it is a possibility, some 25 years later. The basic human being

is more accepting to the fact that something out of their control, such as

the sun, is the cause of the skin cancer they may have rather than something

they could have control over.

Now you ask, what do the scientists have to gain from naming the sun as a

cause, not lying to us. Well, I would say Job Security. In blaming the sun,

something that is of the unknown there are countless studies to be done, many

issues to prove. And as Crow has pointed out these cancer cells are in our

bodies and the body has the ability to fight them off all on their own, but

when there are damaged cells and a low functioning immune system it is much

harder for the body to fight them off, therefore causing the skin cancer

making it appear as if the sun was the main cause. BUT, there are many

contributing factors to that as well, not just the fact that your cells were

damaged by the sun, but also because of the countless other unknown and

unnatural things one may put into their body or may do to their body.

There are many different diseases today as to what they had in much earlier

times. My interruption of this is, that our happenings in this life time have

followed us through life times, they have just changed a bit, they are things

we need to heal and learn the lesson from and as it follows us it changes as

the need for it's healing comes to surface. It is our body telling us to wake

up and learn your lessons to get back on the path you have planned for

yourself. And, I really don't see that the vaccinations we were given as

kids and the ones we give our children today are the sole purpose for the end

of a disease either, it is the change in life times and our bodies finding a

different way of waking us up and telling us to listen. Now, I have

vaccinated my children, only because I don't want to fight the schools and

the law, not because I believe in them and think they will be secure from the

disease. I feel I have different hurdles to get over and this one seems so

minor to me at the time, but then again, I didn't have as strong of a belief

16 years ago as I do today.

Thanks.......and......Have a Great Day!

Debbie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Debbie:

You make some very good points here, many of which I agree.

When I work with a Cancer patient we sit together and make a 2 lists.

one list is all the things they can think of that could have possibly led to

the cancer. Things that can weaken us. From diet pop, to bad marriage,

unflitered water, job dissatisfaction, to too much sun ect. The list is

often long. Then we go through this list, and see which ones we can easily

change, to give the immune system a little less stress so it can do it's

thing.

The second list is of all the things that make that person feel empowered,

happy, joyful, secure, hopeful. We try to figure out how to do more of

these things.

If you love sitting in the sun, sit in the sun. It's probubly doing more

good than harm. If you don't care, use sun screen and keep the diet coke,

or whatever.

The sun is just another in a long list of things that " May " stress a

weakened immune system. It's not the cause of the problem.

Just recently a friends son came home from the pool with horrible sun

burn, blistering all over leading to infection. His doctor would not allow

him to go to camp or be in the sun for a month. Now this doctor wasn't

trying to keep a job. The fact is, this kid was seriously hurt. And that

damage may follow him into adulthood. But this was the first time all

summer, a video addict kid went out doors for any lenth of time. That is

the big problem in my opinion. Why is this the first time? It's the middle

of june, kids should be tan, and dirty from playing outside all day. The

hot house flowers of the indoor kid I think starts with a weaker immune

system because they are indoors too much. For them the sun is too much, but

so too is alot of other things.

Just some thoughts, I got a bit of a tan myself this weekend, and think I

look FABULOUS! LOL

love

connie

 

>

> Connie:

> I am not sure I have said to live ones life in the sun from sun up to sun

> down, because I too believe you can have too much of a good thing. But, the

> time frame scientists, doctors and such are speaking of for the skin cancer

> are no more than what an average person spends in the sun without protection.

> I have known people who have had skin cancer who hardly ever spent much time

> out in the sun.....just the normal childhood play and maybe some basic time

> as an adult.

> You ask what is the benefit for a scientist to lie, well for one thing I

> didn't say they were lying, (just grasping) I said they have just chosen the

> sun to put blame on for the skin cancer instead of choosing to find something

> which is of an unnatural nature. One of which I am sure would take much more

> time in finding, it is much easier to put blame on the sun, mainly because it

> is of the unknown and is much easier to do so. It is so much easier for the

> basic human being to accept something of the unknown such as the sun rather

> than to accept it was something they actually did to themselves. Haven't you

> noticed that there isn't many things that cause disease in which we have

> actually done or put into our bodies. I can remember when I was a kid that

> they were saying saccharin was a possibility for cancer, and they are still

> today saying it is a possibility, some 25 years later. The basic human being

> is more accepting to the fact that something out of their control, such as

> the sun, is the cause of the skin cancer they may have rather than something

> they could have control over.

> Now you ask, what do the scientists have to gain from naming the sun as a

> cause, not lying to us. Well, I would say Job Security. In blaming the sun,

> something that is of the unknown there are countless studies to be done, many

> issues to prove. And as Crow has pointed out these cancer cells are in our

> bodies and the body has the ability to fight them off all on their own, but

> when there are damaged cells and a low functioning immune system it is much

> harder for the body to fight them off, therefore causing the skin cancer

> making it appear as if the sun was the main cause. BUT, there are many

> contributing factors to that as well, not just the fact that your cells were

> damaged by the sun, but also because of the countless other unknown and

> unnatural things one may put into their body or may do to their body.

> There are many different diseases today as to what they had in much earlier

> times. My interruption of this is, that our happenings in this life time have

> followed us through life times, they have just changed a bit, they are things

> we need to heal and learn the lesson from and as it follows us it changes as

> the need for it's healing comes to surface. It is our body telling us to wake

> up and learn your lessons to get back on the path you have planned for

> yourself. And, I really don't see that the vaccinations we were given as

> kids and the ones we give our children today are the sole purpose for the end

> of a disease either, it is the change in life times and our bodies finding a

> different way of waking us up and telling us to listen. Now, I have

> vaccinated my children, only because I don't want to fight the schools and

> the law, not because I believe in them and think they will be secure from the

> disease. I feel I have different hurdles to get over and this one seems so

> minor to me at the time, but then again, I didn't have as strong of a belief

> 16 years ago as I do today.

> Thanks.......and......Have a Great Day!

> Debbie

>

>

>