Guest guest Posted June 17, 2001 Report Share Posted June 17, 2001 Hi Crow, I find this article very interesting, but non-threatening from a believer's point of view. Certainly, our experience comes via the brain. Other (all) things get interpreted via the brain, too, but that doesn't mean they don't also exist in 3D reality---or another reality altogether. I have seen too much that corresponds externally with spiritual experience---i.e., healings of all kinds. How the brain is a part of that experience is interesting to know but doesn't negate the reality of the experience in any way for me. The recent research concerning how prayer affects things seems to be pointing in a concrete way to cause and effect. This is where I stand on it. I find the research extremely interesting, though. Celeste On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:44:14 -0400 Caroline Abreu <crow writes: > Here is a study on the brain and spirituality online this > morning. I am taking the fifth, let's see what other folks have > to say about it first: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10767-2001Jun16.html > > > -- > --- > Blessings, > Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > --- > Caroline " Crow " Abreu > > AIM: CaroCrow > Messenger: NRGbalance > URL: http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance > > " We see things not as they are but as we are. " > The Talmud > > " I fumble along as best I can, now good, now bad, > and I hope generally fair-to-middling. " > Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > " Plunge boldly into the thick of life. " Goethe > > Spam Delenda Est! > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the > group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Here is a study on the brain and spirituality online this morning. I am taking the fifth, let's see what other folks have to say about it first: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10767-2001Jun16.html -- --- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " --- Caroline " Crow " Abreu AIM: CaroCrow Messenger: NRGbalance URL: http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud " I fumble along as best I can, now good, now bad, and I hope generally fair-to-middling. " Antoine de Saint-Exupery " Plunge boldly into the thick of life. " Goethe Spam Delenda Est! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 Hi, I read this article, and really the science is not too much different from what we were studing at The Monroe Institute when I was working there 15 years ago. Of course the brain has a biology that supports mysticism and abstracts and spirituality, it would have to or we couldn't imagine it. It's awsome how God created in man a system to remember God, a pathway back to the creator that is hard wired in, like a homing beakon. It simply makes me more in awe of God. The science isn't new, just the scientists are, and in disecting the unitive experience, they only add argument to the non believers, and give the believers more to smile at. This is no way disproves miracles, in fact it illustrates more, how the holy darned thing is a miracle. Thanks for sharing this article Crow, as a friend of mine just said tonight how disappointed he was to have missed it as he was called into a meeting. I'm sending him the website. love connie > Hi Crow, > > I find this article very interesting, but non-threatening from a > believer's point of view. Certainly, our experience comes via the brain. > Other (all) things get interpreted via the brain, too, but that doesn't > mean they don't also exist in 3D reality---or another reality altogether. > > I have seen too much that corresponds externally with spiritual > experience---i.e., healings of all kinds. How the brain is a part of that > experience is interesting to know but doesn't negate the reality of the > experience in any way for me. The recent research concerning how prayer > affects things seems to be pointing in a concrete way to cause and > effect. > > This is where I stand on it. I find the research extremely interesting, > though. > > Celeste > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:44:14 -0400 Caroline Abreu <crow > writes: >> Here is a study on the brain and spirituality online this >> morning. I am taking the fifth, let's see what other folks have >> to say about it first: >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10767-2001Jun16.html >> >> >> -- >> --- >> Blessings, >> Crow >> " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " >> --- >> Caroline " Crow " Abreu >> >> AIM: CaroCrow >> Messenger: NRGbalance >> URL: http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance >> >> " We see things not as they are but as we are. " >> The Talmud >> >> " I fumble along as best I can, now good, now bad, >> and I hope generally fair-to-middling. " >> Antoine de Saint-Exupery >> >> " Plunge boldly into the thick of life. " Goethe >> >> Spam Delenda Est! >> >> **************************************** >> Visit the community page: >> >> For administrative problems -owner >> To , - >> >> All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the >> group and the individual authors. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 In a message dated 6/21/01 12:42:08 AM Central Daylight Time, tink-im writes: > The science isn't new, just the scientists are, and > in disecting the unitive experience, they only add argument to the non > believers, and give the believers more to smile at. Having studied a little neuropsych in my day I agree this science is not new. What is new is that spirituality is becoming widespread enough to get it in the mainsteam of publications. That is the news of which I take joy in everyday when these magazines, media report this " NEW " discovery. I think it continues to validate what many of us have known, experienced and followed for years. Hopefully many more will read and ring a chord with it and if this article brings them toward their own inner knowing " because it was validated by science " then great. JMHO/ Cecelia B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 > Having studied a little neuropsych in my day I agree this science is not new. > What is new is that spirituality is becoming widespread enough to get it in > the mainsteam of publications. That is the news of which I take joy in > everyday when these magazines, media report this " NEW " discovery. I think > it continues to validate what many of us have known, experienced and followed > for years. Hopefully many more will read and ring a chord with it and if > this article brings them toward their own inner knowing " because it was > validated by science " then great. JMHO/ Cecelia B > Dear Cecelia: Yes, so true. thanks. love connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 , Caroline Abreu <crow@c...> wrote: > Here is a study on the brain and spirituality online this > morning. I am taking the fifth, let's see what other folks have > to say about it first: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10767-2001Jun16.html > > > -- > --- > Blessings, > Crow Crow- I've just finished a book by Ramachandran and a chapter in it was called " God and the Limbic Systems " , it was very interesting and i've been looking at the temporal lobe brain link to spirituality quite a bit in the last few months and to me it does seem there is a link here, here a link to a page that might be of interest to you. I'm really fascinated with this stuff:) tracy http://bibleandscience.com/godpartbrain.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 In a message dated 6/28/01 2:37:08 AM Central Daylight Time, loneshewolf1028 writes: > - > > I've just finished a book by Ramachandran and a chapter in it was > called " God and the Limbic Systems " , it was very interesting and > i've been looking at the temporal lobe brain link to spirituality > quite a bit in the last few months and to me it does seem there is a > link here, here a link to a page that might be of interest to you. > I'm really fascinated with this stuff:) > > tracy > > Tracy thanks for this site. I have been studying the pineal gland and its relation to the spiritual connection. I would love to read other links you might have. Thanks Cecelia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 I suppose it's time I said what I think of the research. Although I am thrilled that there are studies that support the truth of spiritual experience, the value of prayer, and aspects of healing, I am also a veteran of traditional medicine, and I know that this research is not going to be used simply to endorse people's spiritual beliefs... it is already being used by the skeptics to dismiss the presence of a real and present God/Spirit/Creator and replace that figure with brain activity and chemicals that they feel they can reproduce with stimulation and medications. We have known for eons that hallucinogenics, other substances, meditation and prayer can enhance the spiritual experience, open the mind to the presence of something larger. That is nothing new. However, I am not of the belief that the hallucinogens create that presence in our heads, that spiritual experience is a glitch in the hardware, a delusion or chemical reaction in the neurons. As someone mentioned in the article, if we are wired this way, wouldn't it make sense that it was a planned design, a method of direct individual communication? Wouldn't an intelligent Creator make our brains compatible with interactive capabilities, better than the most advanced computer? I don't like the idea of limiting spiritual experience to some sort of virtual reality mind game. The sensation might be replicated by nerve stimulation, but there are a lot of different factors involved in spiritual experience besides sensation. Scientists who are agnostic or atheistic would like to believe that all spirituality is as physical as sneezing, a reflex, and a fairly regressive one, at that... for superstitious people who do not like to use their analytical minds. I think they are unhappy, and misery loves company. I've often told skeptics that the only way to learn something is to experience it. You cannot study your way to God or your own Soul. So though I am pleased in a way that these studies are being done, in another way I am saddened. People who believe usually have personal reasons to do so. But skeptics don't want anyone to believe, and spend a lot of time denigrating and belittling things they do not understand or can't grasp at the current level of science, or trying to put limits where none exist. I found a quote recently that said " It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. " (John Wooden) I don't think that the scientific community is ready to accept that they are not the great omniscient receptacle of the most profound knowledge available... in other words, they cannot open their minds to the presence of something larger than them. And as long as that happens, they will continue to denigrate a God they have studied on paper and defined as a pattern of brain waves. Blessings, Crow Tracy wrote: > > , Caroline Abreu <crow@c...> wrote: > > Here is a study on the brain and spirituality online this > > morning. I am taking the fifth, let's see what other folks > have > > to say about it first: > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10767-2001Jun16.html > > > > > > -- > > --- > > Blessings, > > Crow > > Crow- > > I've just finished a book by Ramachandran and a chapter in it > was > called " God and the Limbic Systems " , it was very interesting > and > i've been looking at the temporal lobe brain link to > spirituality > quite a bit in the last few months and to me it does seem there > is a > link here, here a link to a page that might be of interest to > you. > I'm really fascinated with this stuff:) > > tracy > > http://bibleandscience.com/godpartbrain.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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