Spirituality & The Brain HERE I GO!

[Guest guest]

Scientists, are 'LOGICAL' as are men! Honest -woman,(not females, who are

feline, in getting what they want) (I can hear the firecrackers of some minds

to this thought)

Woman children, and animals are known to be more in-tuned with the

'spiritual'.

 

When something is not understood, or it threatens what is already

scientifically 'proven', --on paper, --it is swept under the carpet, --OR

attacked with the addition of 'new' chemicals, prescription drugs, etc, --

for the 'power mongers', and 'cash cows' to try to set societial pace, --to

retain power over what they (medical folks etc) DO understand. Medics,

psychiatrists study dis-ease, --not wellness! Not what IS available to us

holistically, in spirit, wholeness, and healing.

 

The study of WELLNESS and SPIRIT, ---is SO much more exciting, and NOT --to

ponder on the negative, --like cancer, that is a result of body chemistry in

trauma, usually due to some sort of stress, unresolved. It must 'express'

somewhere, --somehow! Who was it that was diagnosed with un-curable cancer,

who went into the woods to die, and lived on what was available, --in that

woods? He came back 6 months later, --CURED! NO CANCER! HEALING, is

against what the AMA, and the FDA want for us (in essence)--as they IGNORE

what they KNOW WILL work, (but without their ability to explain it, or

understand it) and will ALTER that known truth (solution) to again--empower

themselves, and NOT the NATURALNESS of what the earth has to offer us,

especially if it is 'virgin' territory, free of the corporate rape of

chemicals!

 

I have also exposed MY SELF, as you, and we both stand naked before the

others.

 

You do NOT have to POST everything I send to you. It is your decision only.

It is okay, --not to post, as I needed to vent also.

 

A great book--Peter Breggin--'TOXIC PSYCHIATRY'..

 

Who was it centuries ago that stated, --the medicine of the future, will NOT

KNOW or use 'MEDICINE'! It is exciting, to know that we ARE on the way to

this! WE are part of that dream. You Crow, in what you do, and myself and

many others in this group. I APPLAUD YOU ALL!

Prayer, --shared, --is answered! However, not always when or how we may want

it answered. We just might have more to learn. This is NOT meant to be a

negative response, in any way. rose

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/30/01 4:57:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, STHMBC

writes:

 

 

> Scientists, are 'LOGICAL' as are men! Honest -woman,(not females, who are

> feline, in getting what they want) (I can hear the firecrackers of some

> minds

> to this thought)

> Woman children, and animals are known to be more in-tuned with the

> 'spiritual'.

>

>

 

There are alot of men who are very in tuned with the spiritual, and me , as a

woman, I consider myself to be very logical and I love science. I think it

is awesome that they research the brain. I believe spirituality should be

balanced with logic, and skepticism can be a very valuable thing (remember

Doubting Thomas?)

 

have a great day

tracy

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/30/01 6:13:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

crow writes:

 

 

>

> I remember doubting Thomas. Jesus rebuked him for needing proof;

> he said that those who believed and yet had not seen were more

> blessed ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, but he still let him put his hands in the wounds for proof right? He

didn't say " either believe or not, you dont get no proof, be damned! "

believe me, if I do make it to that higher place I know I will probably have

to wait in a hundred year line and scrub the floor with a toothbrush! Or, I

would probably say " how do i know this isn't really the underworld and this

is some kind of holographic trick? " Proof! Proof! I want proof! LOL! (just

playin, please dont anybody throw a rock at at me)

 

> I do think there is a slight but significant semantic

> difference between clarification type questioning and skepticism.

> The difference lies in the intention with which the subject is

> approached.

>

>

>

 

I really liked the way you pointed out the difference here, I have never

thought about that before:) thank you

 

>

> Studies have shown in the physics lab <G> that the simple

> presence of an observer can alter the results of an experiment;

> that particles behave differently when they are being watched,

> and change their behavior depending on the expectation of the

> observer. And you know what? The same thing was discovered about

> people many years ago; when people are aware they are being

> studied, their behavior alters in response to that. >

 

Is this like quantum particles behaving strangely? I'm not too good at

physics, but I " ve heard of this before, and I think it even made me think

alot about prayer, ya know? If the experiment results can be changed

because of the expectation of the observers- by their thoughts, then how is

this any different than say, when you get an illness and then focus on it

with prayer-focused thought? isn't this sort of the same process?

 

 

tracy

 

>

>

 

 

http://chamberpoems.tripod.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I remember doubting Thomas. Jesus rebuked him for needing proof;

he said that those who believed and yet had not seen were more

blessed ;-)

 

Yes, we have both logical and intuitive skills whether we are men

or women. I do think there is a slight but significant semantic

difference between clarification type questioning and skepticism.

The difference lies in the intention with which the subject is

approached.

 

Studies have shown in the physics lab <G> that the simple

presence of an observer can alter the results of an experiment;

that particles behave differently when they are being watched,

and change their behavior depending on the expectation of the

observer. And you know what? The same thing was discovered about

people many years ago; when people are aware they are being

studied, their behavior alters in response to that.

 

So no research is really " pure " , and although it might be argued

that it is the best thing we've got, it's a pretty shabby

something, sometimes ;-)

 

All in all, though, I don't have any problems with research

itself, but in the broad and obvious subjective way that

researchers tend to draw conclusions from the results.

 

Blessings,

Crow

 

loneshewolf1028 wrote:

>

> There are alot of men who are very in tuned with the spiritual,

> and me , as a

> woman, I consider myself to be very logical and I love

> science. I think it

> is awesome that they research the brain. I believe

> spirituality should be

> balanced with logic, and skepticism can be a very valuable

> thing (remember

> Doubting Thomas?)

>

> have a great day

> tracy

>

[Guest guest]

I remember doubting Thomas. Jesus rebuked him for needing proof;

he said that those who believed and yet had not seen were more

blessed ;-)

 

Yes, we have both logical and intuitive skills whether we are men

or women. I do think there is a slight but significant semantic

difference between clarification type questioning and skepticism.

The difference lies in the intention with which the subject is

approached.

 

Studies have shown in the physics lab <G> that the simple

presence of an observer can alter the results of an experiment;

that particles behave differently when they are being watched,

and change their behavior depending on the expectation of the

observer. And you know what? The same thing was discovered about

people many years ago; when people are aware they are being

studied, their behavior alters in response to that.

 

So no research is really " pure " , and although it might be argued

that it is the best thing we've got, it's a pretty shabby

something, sometimes ;-)

 

All in all, though, I don't have any problems with research

itself, but in the broad and obvious subjective way that

researchers tend to draw conclusions from the results.

 

Blessings,

Crow

 

loneshewolf1028 wrote:

>

> There are alot of men who are very in tuned with the spiritual,

> and me , as a

> woman, I consider myself to be very logical and I love

> science. I think it

> is awesome that they research the brain. I believe

> spirituality should be

> balanced with logic, and skepticism can be a very valuable

> thing (remember

> Doubting Thomas?)

>

> have a great day

> tracy

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracy:

 

loneshewolf1028 wrote:

>

> Ok, but he still let him put his hands in the wounds for proof

> right? He

> didn't say " either believe or not, you dont get no proof, be

> damned! "

> believe me, if I do make it to that higher place I know I will

> probably have

> to wait in a hundred year line and scrub the floor with a

> toothbrush! Or, I

> would probably say " how do i know this isn't really the

> underworld and this

> is some kind of holographic trick? " Proof! Proof! I want proof!

> LOL! (just

> playin, please dont anybody throw a rock at at me)

>

 

What good observations you're making. No, I don't think you'll be

spending time in " purgatory " for questioning <LOL> I don't

imagine Thomas did, either, he just annoyed Jesus by not being

able to accept things at face value, especially after all the

other miracles he had witnessed. Sheesh. Jesus *told* him he was

going to come back from the dead. It seems a little perverse to

insist on sticking his fingers in the wounds to make sure he was

real ;-)

 

> > I do think there is a slight but significant semantic

> > difference between clarification type questioning and

> skepticism.

> > The difference lies in the intention with which the subject

> is

> > approached.

>

> I really liked the way you pointed out the difference here, I

> have never

> thought about that before:) thank you

>

In healing work, the most important step of all is setting your

intention. Ideally, your intention should be to be present and

observe, to allow, not to control anything in any way but to be a

" clean bone " for the transmission of energy from the source to

the client.

 

We always seem to get in our own way with our 'good

intentions'... and you know what they say, the road to hell is

paved with them ;-)

 

The word " skeptic " seems to imply doubt from the outset, rather

than honest curiosity. Children ask a lot of questions to learn

things, but I wouldn't call them skeptics.

 

> >

> > Studies have shown in the physics lab <G> that the simple

> > presence of an observer can alter the results of an

> experiment;

>

> Is this like quantum particles behaving strangely? I'm not too

> good at

> physics, but I " ve heard of this before, and I think it even

> made me think

> alot about prayer, ya know? If the experiment results can be

> changed

> because of the expectation of the observers- by their thoughts,

> then how is

> this any different than say, when you get an illness and then

> focus on it

> with prayer-focused thought? isn't this sort of the same

> process?

>

 

I would say that it is exactly the same process. It is also the

process that is utilized in meditation, affirmations,

neurolinguistic programming and hypnotherapy. Or as someone

pointed out recently, a-form-ations might be a better way of

looking at it... you are creating a thought form, perhaps

defining it with words, and that thought form manifests in

physical reality.

 

There's a Biblical precedent for that as well, in the beginning

of John, a beautiful passage that reads " In the beginning was the

Word, and the Word was made Flesh and dwelt among us. " John is

describing the incarnation of Jesus, but the analogy carries over

to other processes of manifestation.

 

Blessings,

Crow

[Guest guest]

Hi Crow,

 

It's been a while but I had to send 'Amens " to these thoughts. You have

such a wide background---would you share a little with us?

 

Celeste

 

PS - I also took the Art of Personal Growth with Karyn--wasn't it

wonderful? I've had trouble accessing the lifemakeoverdivas website

though---any suggestions?

 

 

 

On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:25:22 -0400 Caroline Abreu <crow

writes:

> Hi Tracy:

>

> loneshewolf1028 wrote:

> >

> > Ok, but he still let him put his hands in the wounds for proof

> > right? He

> > didn't say " either believe or not, you dont get no proof, be

> > damned! "

> > believe me, if I do make it to that higher place I know I will

> > probably have

> > to wait in a hundred year line and scrub the floor with a

> > toothbrush! Or, I

> > would probably say " how do i know this isn't really the

> > underworld and this

> > is some kind of holographic trick? " Proof! Proof! I want proof!

> > LOL! (just

> > playin, please dont anybody throw a rock at at me)

> >

>

> What good observations you're making. No, I don't think you'll be

> spending time in " purgatory " for questioning <LOL> I don't

> imagine Thomas did, either, he just annoyed Jesus by not being

> able to accept things at face value, especially after all the

> other miracles he had witnessed. Sheesh. Jesus *told* him he was

> going to come back from the dead. It seems a little perverse to

> insist on sticking his fingers in the wounds to make sure he was

> real ;-)

>

> > > I do think there is a slight but significant semantic

> > > difference between clarification type questioning and

> > skepticism.

> > > The difference lies in the intention with which the subject

> > is

> > > approached.

> >

> > I really liked the way you pointed out the difference here, I

> > have never

> > thought about that before:) thank you

> >

> In healing work, the most important step of all is setting your

> intention. Ideally, your intention should be to be present and

> observe, to allow, not to control anything in any way but to be a

> " clean bone " for the transmission of energy from the source to

> the client.

>

> We always seem to get in our own way with our 'good

> intentions'... and you know what they say, the road to hell is

> paved with them ;-)

>

> The word " skeptic " seems to imply doubt from the outset, rather

> than honest curiosity. Children ask a lot of questions to learn

> things, but I wouldn't call them skeptics.

>

> > >

> > > Studies have shown in the physics lab <G> that the simple

> > > presence of an observer can alter the results of an

> > experiment;

> >

> > Is this like quantum particles behaving strangely? I'm not too

> > good at

> > physics, but I " ve heard of this before, and I think it even

> > made me think

> > alot about prayer, ya know? If the experiment results can be

> > changed

> > because of the expectation of the observers- by their thoughts,

> > then how is

> > this any different than say, when you get an illness and then

> > focus on it

> > with prayer-focused thought? isn't this sort of the same

> > process?

> >

>

> I would say that it is exactly the same process. It is also the

> process that is utilized in meditation, affirmations,

> neurolinguistic programming and hypnotherapy. Or as someone

> pointed out recently, a-form-ations might be a better way of

> looking at it... you are creating a thought form, perhaps

> defining it with words, and that thought form manifests in

> physical reality.

>

> There's a Biblical precedent for that as well, in the beginning

> of John, a beautiful passage that reads " In the beginning was the

> Word, and the Word was made Flesh and dwelt among us. " John is

> describing the incarnation of Jesus, but the analogy carries over

> to other processes of manifestation.

>

> Blessings,

> Crow

>

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[Guest guest]

Celeste:

 

Well, not that it's that important, but I suppose it might be

relevant to the way I respond here, or why I even started the

forum.

 

I'm a League of Nations, Spanish, Native, Welsh, French and

German. My father is a Baptist Minister and Psychologist, and my

mother (and her mother) are Nurses. I was born in California,

raised in Louisiana, and live now in Massachusetts with my

husband of three years, Mani.

 

My mother taught me to read with flashcards before I was four. My

father has an extensive library and I read just about every book

in it, including comparative religion, Biblical concordances of

several translations of the Bible, The Koran, the Book of Mormon,

etc. etc. I also ate my way through his psychology books and

enjoyed Jung and Erickson. My mother was fond of books on psychic

phenomena, astrology and other metaphysical subjects, and I read

those ;-) She went to nursing school when I was in junior high

and high school, and I helped her study, so I read all those

books, too <G> I'm still a voracious reader.

 

I would classify myself as more spiritual than religious, but if

I had to pin it down I'd call myself a nondenominational

Christian with gnostic leanings.

 

I started in college at sixteen, in Advertising Design/Marketing

with an English Minor. At eighteen I quit college and took

Practical Nursing through a vocational school; a couple of years

later I went back to college to get my BS in Nursing. I've always

been fairly involved in the metaphysical, spiritual and

alternative communities, so it was natural for me to get involved

with the American Holistic Nurses Association and Healing Touch;

after completing HT I went on to become a Reiki Master Teacher,

and have since studied Core Shamanism and Hypnotherapy

extensively, and more recently I've gotten interested in Chios

and other 'field' therapies, and meridian therapies.

 

I don't work in a clinical setting anymore; I am a medical

intuitive and I maintain a small private practice in energy work,

hypnosis and stress management coaching; I'm also working on a

book of meditations and a book of poetry.

 

I am a Libra with Libra rising, born in the year of the Rabbit,

1963. I recently took a quiz that tells me I am a " Violet/Indigo "

person <LOL> I suppose that is about all anyone really needs to

know, and probably more than most people want to know, about me.

 

I'm glad to hear you are a TAPG alumni too. We have a 'graduate'

board set up to keep in touch with each other. I'm not sure why

you had difficulty with the life makeover site. Log in to

and type lifemakeoverdivas into the search box, see

if that works.

 

Blessings,

Caroline, aka Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

 

celeste m sullivan wrote:

>

> Hi Crow,

>

> It's been a while but I had to send 'Amens " to these thoughts.

> You have

> such a wide background---would you share a little with us?

>

> Celeste

>

> PS - I also took the Art of Personal Growth with Karyn--wasn't

> it

> wonderful? I've had trouble accessing the lifemakeoverdivas

> website

> though---any suggestions?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Crow,

 

Thanks for the history lesson. You truly have a very wide and

interesting background. I so often resonate with your teachings but I

would have thought you might be a 105 yrs old. instead of the age of my

children---your wisdom is rare in one so young.

 

I, too, am an RN with a Pastoral Counseling MA and IL LCPC license who

has been interested in Jung and Psychosynthesis for many years---also I

consider myself a 'mongrel' Christian more interested in spirituality

than religion. I find any one denomination, good as it may be, too

limiting for my perspective of Reality. Often, we make God too small. I

have had powerful healing experiences through the Catholic Charismatic

Movement and have outlived a grim prognosis by 22 yrs. During my

illness, I had a vision of a healing center (we have dicussed this

before) that seems to be taking shape and looks promising although still

a long way to go. Much of the progress has happened since TAPG. Isn't

that interesting? Karyn was going to make contact through email, I

thought, as I hadn't found much on the message board an got sidetracked.

I would like to stay in contact. I'll try lifemakeoverdivas again. That

sounds helpful, too.

 

Peace,

 

Celeste (Matty)

 

On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 09:28:33 -0400 Caroline Abreu <crow

writes:

> Celeste:

>

> Well, not that it's that important, but I suppose it might be

> relevant to the way I respond here, or why I even started the

> forum.

>

> I'm a League of Nations, Spanish, Native, Welsh, French and

> German. My father is a Baptist Minister and Psychologist, and my

> mother (and her mother) are Nurses. I was born in California,

> raised in Louisiana, and live now in Massachusetts with my

> husband of three years, Mani.

>

> My mother taught me to read with flashcards before I was four. My

> father has an extensive library and I read just about every book

> in it, including comparative religion, Biblical concordances of

> several translations of the Bible, The Koran, the Book of Mormon,

> etc. etc. I also ate my way through his psychology books and

> enjoyed Jung and Erickson. My mother was fond of books on psychic

> phenomena, astrology and other metaphysical subjects, and I read

> those ;-) She went to nursing school when I was in junior high

> and high school, and I helped her study, so I read all those

> books, too <G> I'm still a voracious reader.

>

> I would classify myself as more spiritual than religious, but if

> I had to pin it down I'd call myself a nondenominational

> Christian with gnostic leanings.

>

> I started in college at sixteen, in Advertising Design/Marketing

> with an English Minor. At eighteen I quit college and took

> Practical Nursing through a vocational school; a couple of years

> later I went back to college to get my BS in Nursing. I've always

> been fairly involved in the metaphysical, spiritual and

> alternative communities, so it was natural for me to get involved

> with the American Holistic Nurses Association and Healing Touch;

> after completing HT I went on to become a Reiki Master Teacher,

> and have since studied Core Shamanism and Hypnotherapy

> extensively, and more recently I've gotten interested in Chios

> and other 'field' therapies, and meridian therapies.

>

> I don't work in a clinical setting anymore; I am a medical

> intuitive and I maintain a small private practice in energy work,

> hypnosis and stress management coaching; I'm also working on a

> book of meditations and a book of poetry.

>

> I am a Libra with Libra rising, born in the year of the Rabbit,

> 1963. I recently took a quiz that tells me I am a " Violet/Indigo "

> person <LOL> I suppose that is about all anyone really needs to

> know, and probably more than most people want to know, about me.

>

> I'm glad to hear you are a TAPG alumni too. We have a 'graduate'

> board set up to keep in touch with each other. I'm not sure why

> you had difficulty with the life makeover site. Log in to

> and type lifemakeoverdivas into the search box, see

> if that works.

>

> Blessings,

> Caroline, aka Crow

> " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

>

> celeste m sullivan wrote:

> >

> > Hi Crow,

> >

> > It's been a while but I had to send 'Amens " to these thoughts.

> > You have

> > such a wide background---would you share a little with us?

> >

> > Celeste

> >

> > PS - I also took the Art of Personal Growth with Karyn--wasn't

> > it

> > wonderful? I've had trouble accessing the lifemakeoverdivas

> > website

> > though---any suggestions?

> >

>

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>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Celeste:

 

I feel like I am 105 most days ;-) Oh, and I wanted to tell you

that my mother's name is Mattie <G>

 

I don't know if you subbed to the TAPGALUMNI list but I would

like to see more action there, as well.

 

I just love to see people talking, I guess <LOL>

 

It is interesting to know where some of you are coming from; it

seems that several of us " noisy folks " are nurses, but there are

many complementary and traditional medical folks here, as well as

laypeople.

 

I'd like to suggest again (and I'll stop before I start raving,

but it really has been helpful to me) that folks who are having a

bit of a 'spiritual crisis' with their faith of origin, whatever

it is, look up Joan Boryzenko's book " A Woman's Journey to God " .

She talks about her searching path around the world and back, and

how important it is to find a spiritual way that resonates for

you, a method and an image of

God/Goddess/Spirit/Essence/Creator/One that doesn't just appeal

to you intellectually or socially but in a deep, valid way that

is useful for your comfort and growth.

 

Blessings,

Crow

 

celeste m sullivan wrote:

>

> Hi Crow,

>

> Thanks for the history lesson. You truly have a very wide and

> interesting background. I so often resonate with your

> teachings but I

> would have thought you might be a 105 yrs old. instead of the

> age of my

> children---your wisdom is rare in one so young.

>

> I, too, am an RN with a Pastoral Counseling MA and IL LCPC

> license who

> has been interested in Jung and Psychosynthesis for many

> years---also I

> consider myself a 'mongrel' Christian more interested in

> spirituality

> than religion. I find any one denomination, good as it may be,

> too

> limiting for my perspective of Reality. Often, we make God too

> small. I

> have had powerful healing experiences through the Catholic

> Charismatic

> Movement and have outlived a grim prognosis by 22 yrs. During

> my

> illness, I had a vision of a healing center (we have dicussed

> this

> before) that seems to be taking shape and looks promising

> although still

> a long way to go. Much of the progress has happened since

> TAPG. Isn't

> that interesting? Karyn was going to make contact through

> email, I

> thought, as I hadn't found much on the message board an got

> sidetracked.

> I would like to stay in contact. I'll try lifemakeoverdivas

> again. That

> sounds helpful, too.

>

> Peace,

>

> Celeste (Matty)

>