Scientists (long post, )

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> Dear Linda:

I'm so grateful that you said this, as I rarely see this issue balanced

anywhere. I gravitated into the nursing field rather later in my life, in

my 30's, after going through cancer treatment and being tremendously

impressed with the care I recieved in traditional medical environment, as

well as a few other reasons. Later, I went into alternative medicine, for

an aditional perspective. To me, Traditional medicine saved my life. Cured

me of Cancer, but the alternatives helped me see contributing factors,

understand the mechinism of prevention and staying healthy. I needed, and

hope to be able to access both in the future.

From my perspective, I've met some of the most wonderful, sincere, loving

and honorable people in the Medical and Scientific community. I've yet to

meet a doctor who is in it only for the money, or a scientist who's trying

to disprove god. Doctors and Scientists are not against alternative

medicine, heck it was all alternative untill someone tested it and saw a

broad, benificial use for it. We've come along way from blood letting and

astrology for medical cures, and each step away from that was at one time

considered " alternative " . Doctors and scientists get cancer too, and in no

way support any science or studies that would suppress cures. (not to say

there aren't a few bad apples in every barrel) But when they speak against

alternatives, using often, too broad a brush, what they're really concerned

with is the quacks out there who would take advantage of frightened

suffering people who would make a dollar selling " anything " that might give

hope, and they aren't against hope, just against robbery.

Having been in the alternative field for 15 years now, I can tell you,

there is ALOT of crap out there. I could write a very long list of bad

science, bad product, bad therapy, bad ethics in this alternative field.

But I could write you a longer list of the good that has come out of it.

We have many Doctors, nurse's, scientists, thereapists, etc, who come to

our wellness center to take tai chi, buy vitamins etc. They give us

wonderful support. I've even gotten prescriptions written on Dr's

prescription pads for grapefruit seed extract and echinacea, from an

conservative internal medicine dr. who doesn't want to give another

antibiotic for a virus.

In fact, my biggest competition in the alternative field is the medical

community itself, because it can teach tai chi and meditation, and

aromatherapy, etc, for alot less than I can. Our local hospitals have huge

alternative programs now.

This is great news for me, it is what I had hoped for when I began this

journey, as I sincerely believe that we all deserve the very best of both,

and a reasonable bridge between the two. But I don't believe it's the ideal

for them to merge. As having Traditional and Alternative medicine and

science at war with each other, keeps both systems more honest, better

policed, and more creative. I see them as competitive industries, competing

for the better mouse trap, the best cure, and I, the patient, reap the

benefits of ever evolving mind/body/spirit wellness.

If there is to be an enemy, I would call fowl on the insurance companies

for limiting Doctors and science, the self design shamens selling expensive

junk to sick folks, and the government for not funding good research,

policing bad medicine, and making reasonable health care available equally

to all.

This is just my opinion, and my observations. I completly sympathize

with anyone who has had the misfortune of getting a bad apple in any barrel.

The man who has the wrong leg cut off by a surgeon has a right to blame the

entire industry. The woman who was convinced not to use medicine for her

cancer by a con person selling a brand new herb, only to find she's cut her

life terribly short, can blame the whole industry as well. That is thier

right. And I will not argue with them. But remember, when a person gets a

good experience with any kind of medicine, they tell 4 people, when they

have a bad expiernce, they tell 11 people. This is good science. The math

alone means we are not getting the right information most of the time.

Thanks for reading this, if you did.

love

connie

>

> I have to put in my 2 cents about scientists. I see

> comments made about 'them' so often and I have

> a different perspective. My husband is a

> neuroscientist, he is one of these people everyone

> refers to because he studies the brain. And most

> of our friends and his all of his family are MDs,

> scientists, etc. Our life centers around that community.

> My opinion about them is that they are not trying to

> disprove all sorts of things and are not always just in

> it for greed, though there is a lot of that in the medical

> profession..

>

[Guest guest]

Such good balanced comments by all re: spirituality/science,

traditional/alternative medicine (I personally like 'Complimentary

Medicine'). I find so many interesting things on this site---most of the

time. Thanks all!

 

Celeste

 

On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:28:50 -0400 CL <tink-im writes:

>

>

> > Dear Linda:

> I'm so grateful that you said this, as I rarely see this issue

> balanced

> anywhere. I gravitated into the nursing field rather later in my

> life, in

> my 30's, after going through cancer treatment and being tremendously

> impressed with the care I recieved in traditional medical

> environment, as

> well as a few other reasons. Later, I went into alternative

> medicine, for

> an aditional perspective. To me, Traditional medicine saved my

> life. Cured

> me of Cancer, but the alternatives helped me see contributing

> factors,

> understand the mechinism of prevention and staying healthy. I

> needed, and

> hope to be able to access both in the future.

> From my perspective, I've met some of the most wonderful,

> sincere, loving

> and honorable people in the Medical and Scientific community. I've

> yet to

> meet a doctor who is in it only for the money, or a scientist who's

> trying

> to disprove god. Doctors and Scientists are not against alternative

> medicine, heck it was all alternative untill someone tested it and

> saw a

> broad, benificial use for it. We've come along way from blood

> letting and

> astrology for medical cures, and each step away from that was at one

> time

> considered " alternative " . Doctors and scientists get cancer too,

> and in no

> way support any science or studies that would suppress cures. (not

> to say

> there aren't a few bad apples in every barrel) But when they speak

> against

> alternatives, using often, too broad a brush, what they're really

> concerned

> with is the quacks out there who would take advantage of frightened

> suffering people who would make a dollar selling " anything " that

> might give

> hope, and they aren't against hope, just against robbery.

> Having been in the alternative field for 15 years now, I can tell

> you,

> there is ALOT of crap out there. I could write a very long list of

> bad

> science, bad product, bad therapy, bad ethics in this alternative

> field.

> But I could write you a longer list of the good that has come out of

> it.

> We have many Doctors, nurse's, scientists, thereapists, etc, who

> come to

> our wellness center to take tai chi, buy vitamins etc. They give us

> wonderful support. I've even gotten prescriptions written on Dr's

> prescription pads for grapefruit seed extract and echinacea, from an

> conservative internal medicine dr. who doesn't want to give another

> antibiotic for a virus.

> In fact, my biggest competition in the alternative field is the

> medical

> community itself, because it can teach tai chi and meditation, and

> aromatherapy, etc, for alot less than I can. Our local hospitals

> have huge

> alternative programs now.

> This is great news for me, it is what I had hoped for when I began

> this

> journey, as I sincerely believe that we all deserve the very best of

> both,

> and a reasonable bridge between the two. But I don't believe it's

> the ideal

> for them to merge. As having Traditional and Alternative medicine

> and

> science at war with each other, keeps both systems more honest,

> better

> policed, and more creative. I see them as competitive industries,

> competing

> for the better mouse trap, the best cure, and I, the patient, reap

> the

> benefits of ever evolving mind/body/spirit wellness.

> If there is to be an enemy, I would call fowl on the insurance

> companies

> for limiting Doctors and science, the self design shamens selling

> expensive

> junk to sick folks, and the government for not funding good

> research,

> policing bad medicine, and making reasonable health care available

> equally

> to all.

> This is just my opinion, and my observations. I completly

> sympathize

> with anyone who has had the misfortune of getting a bad apple in any

> barrel.

> The man who has the wrong leg cut off by a surgeon has a right to

> blame the

> entire industry. The woman who was convinced not to use medicine

> for her

> cancer by a con person selling a brand new herb, only to find she's

> cut her

> life terribly short, can blame the whole industry as well. That is

> thier

> right. And I will not argue with them. But remember, when a person

> gets a

> good experience with any kind of medicine, they tell 4 people, when

> they

> have a bad expiernce, they tell 11 people. This is good science.

> The math

> alone means we are not getting the right information most of the

> time.

> Thanks for reading this, if you did.

> love

> connie

> >

> > I have to put in my 2 cents about scientists. I see

> > comments made about 'them' so often and I have

> > a different perspective. My husband is a

> > neuroscientist, he is one of these people everyone

> > refers to because he studies the brain. And most

> > of our friends and his all of his family are MDs,

> > scientists, etc. Our life centers around that community.

> > My opinion about them is that they are not trying to

> > disprove all sorts of things and are not always just in

> > it for greed, though there is a lot of that in the medical

> > profession..

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Connie,

 

If traditional medicine kept you here with us, then I am very glad

for it! I agree with what you say - that both systems are needed

to keep the 'check and balances' with each other. The hospitals

may take away some of your business, but I doubt they give the

quality of service you do. I would rather pay more and come to

a center like yours than get the services cheaper at a hospital.

I know some of the 'alternative' programs in hospitals are good,

but from my limited experience, I haven't seen it. They don't have

the depth and groundedness - I guess the spirituality - that I find in

private centers. I think all you're doing is wonderful.

 

Linda

 

 

CL wrote:

 

> As having Traditional and Alternative medicine and

> science at war with each other, keeps both systems more honest, better

> policed, and more creative. I see them as competitive industries, competing

> for the better mouse trap, the best cure, and I, the patient, reap the

> benefits of ever evolving mind/body/spirit wellness.hoo.com/info/terms/