Spirituality & The Brain HERE I GO!

[Guest guest]

May I please submit a personal 'issue' with myself, and what I do. I am a

very believing Christian woman who has had a few real miracles in my life

(another time). I know that I am not a church. I know that I have a path,

and a mission to teach, and really, helping people find their 'inner' being

is a step to having them ask for the next step, --so called --going through

THAT door--perhaps to Christianity, and ALL it offers. Problem with MYSELF,

right NOW! DO I DARE say my program is Christian based? The subject of

'church' or religion (that I do NOT speak much about) scares alot of people

away from your site (I think, and hope/wish I were wrong) Don't mix business

and FAITH--??? I am NOT NEW AGE, however, --I AM progressive, and will hold

to what I have learned for myself to be TRUTH! EXPERIENCE has taught me, and

I still have alot to learn, at a very young and strong 61 yrs. I have been

told MANY times that I have so much 'energy' (spiritual-power) that I can be

intimidating!

Frankly, I have so much love to give, and waiting for my niche to just catch

on, that I am busting! I feel like I am really doing something WRONG to not

mention my Faith, however, it is the people who are 'searching' and also

afraid, that I help in such a subtle way.

DO I DARE say I am Christian based? Do you ALL see my deliema, and position?

I really need your input and help with this one. I want to do the right

thing to help people. I don't want to die a non-prosperous christian, IF I

really don't have to. That is NOT why God had taught me what He has. INPUT,

---please! Rose softtouchhorsemanship.com (really working on that site to

get it right!) HELP!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Pardon me for horning in but; lifemakeoverdivas sounds terribly

interesting, what is it?

Audrey

[Guest guest]

Hi Crow,

 

Again, I couldn't agree with you more. It is so important, I think, that

we make our spirituality truly 'our own'. I have found that at different

ages that takes different forms. I do not discount what was meaningful

in the past for me but refuse to be bound by the past or present. I

believe there is always more to learn and always new was in which to

grow.

 

C.

 

On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:37:42 -0400 Caroline Abreu <crow

writes:

> Celeste:

>

> I feel like I am 105 most days ;-) Oh, and I wanted to tell you

> that my mother's name is Mattie <G>

>

> I don't know if you subbed to the TAPGALUMNI list but I would

> like to see more action there, as well.

>

> I just love to see people talking, I guess <LOL>

>

> It is interesting to know where some of you are coming from; it

> seems that several of us " noisy folks " are nurses, but there are

> many complementary and traditional medical folks here, as well as

> laypeople.

>

> I'd like to suggest again (and I'll stop before I start raving,

> but it really has been helpful to me) that folks who are having a

> bit of a 'spiritual crisis' with their faith of origin, whatever

> it is, look up Joan Boryzenko's book " A Woman's Journey to God " .

> She talks about her searching path around the world and back, and

> how important it is to find a spiritual way that resonates for

> you, a method and an image of

> God/Goddess/Spirit/Essence/Creator/One that doesn't just appeal

> to you intellectually or socially but in a deep, valid way that

> is useful for your comfort and growth.

>

> Blessings,

> Crow

>

> celeste m sullivan wrote:

> >

> > Hi Crow,

> >

> > Thanks for the history lesson. You truly have a very wide and

> > interesting background. I so often resonate with your

> > teachings but I

> > would have thought you might be a 105 yrs old. instead of the

> > age of my

> > children---your wisdom is rare in one so young.

> >

> > I, too, am an RN with a Pastoral Counseling MA and IL LCPC

> > license who

> > has been interested in Jung and Psychosynthesis for many

> > years---also I

> > consider myself a 'mongrel' Christian more interested in

> > spirituality

> > than religion. I find any one denomination, good as it may be,

> > too

> > limiting for my perspective of Reality. Often, we make God too

> > small. I

> > have had powerful healing experiences through the Catholic

> > Charismatic

> > Movement and have outlived a grim prognosis by 22 yrs. During

> > my

> > illness, I had a vision of a healing center (we have dicussed

> > this

> > before) that seems to be taking shape and looks promising

> > although still

> > a long way to go. Much of the progress has happened since

> > TAPG. Isn't

> > that interesting? Karyn was going to make contact through

> > email, I

> > thought, as I hadn't found much on the message board an got

> > sidetracked.

> > I would like to stay in contact. I'll try lifemakeoverdivas

> > again. That

> > sounds helpful, too.

> >

> > Peace,

> >

> > Celeste (Matty)

> >

>

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How do I TAPGALUMNI?

 

C.

 

On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:37:42 -0400 Caroline Abreu <crow

writes:

> Celeste:

>

> I feel like I am 105 most days ;-) Oh, and I wanted to tell you

> that my mother's name is Mattie <G>

>

> I don't know if you subbed to the TAPGALUMNI list but I would

> like to see more action there, as well.

>

> I just love to see people talking, I guess <LOL>

>

> It is interesting to know where some of you are coming from; it

> seems that several of us " noisy folks " are nurses, but there are

> many complementary and traditional medical folks here, as well as

> laypeople.

>

> I'd like to suggest again (and I'll stop before I start raving,

> but it really has been helpful to me) that folks who are having a

> bit of a 'spiritual crisis' with their faith of origin, whatever

> it is, look up Joan Boryzenko's book " A Woman's Journey to God " .

> She talks about her searching path around the world and back, and

> how important it is to find a spiritual way that resonates for

> you, a method and an image of

> God/Goddess/Spirit/Essence/Creator/One that doesn't just appeal

> to you intellectually or socially but in a deep, valid way that

> is useful for your comfort and growth.

>

> Blessings,

> Crow

>

> celeste m sullivan wrote:

> >

> > Hi Crow,

> >

> > Thanks for the history lesson. You truly have a very wide and

> > interesting background. I so often resonate with your

> > teachings but I

> > would have thought you might be a 105 yrs old. instead of the

> > age of my

> > children---your wisdom is rare in one so young.

> >

> > I, too, am an RN with a Pastoral Counseling MA and IL LCPC

> > license who

> > has been interested in Jung and Psychosynthesis for many

> > years---also I

> > consider myself a 'mongrel' Christian more interested in

> > spirituality

> > than religion. I find any one denomination, good as it may be,

> > too

> > limiting for my perspective of Reality. Often, we make God too

> > small. I

> > have had powerful healing experiences through the Catholic

> > Charismatic

> > Movement and have outlived a grim prognosis by 22 yrs. During

> > my

> > illness, I had a vision of a healing center (we have dicussed

> > this

> > before) that seems to be taking shape and looks promising

> > although still

> > a long way to go. Much of the progress has happened since

> > TAPG. Isn't

> > that interesting? Karyn was going to make contact through

> > email, I

> > thought, as I hadn't found much on the message board an got

> > sidetracked.

> > I would like to stay in contact. I'll try lifemakeoverdivas

> > again. That

> > sounds helpful, too.

> >

> > Peace,

> >

> > Celeste (Matty)

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

Thanks for being freeing enough to stand 'stand on your holy ground'. I

agree with what you say.

 

I have had to separate my spirituality (at times) from my religiosity.

For me, spirituality is primary and where/when religion supports a

genuine spirituality that is great---and often it does, thank God.

However, I cannot say that that is always the case. Institutions, as

well as individuals, can " miss the mark " and dis-cernment is needed. One

can contribute both inside the institution and outside the institution,

I believe. The trick is to listen to the God Within and discern the

inner direction---not an easy task, by any means. For me, at this time

in my life (62) what is meaningful is, " The Kingdom of God is within

you " ... " Seek ye first the Kingsom of God. " We have been created of

infinite variety and we are exposed to the Divine in an infinite number

of ways at different times in our lives. Is it wonderful!

 

Celeste

 

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:34:10 EDT STHMBC writes:

> May I please submit a personal 'issue' with myself, and what I do. I

> am a

> very believing Christian woman who has had a few real miracles in my

> life

> (another time). I know that I am not a church. I know that I have

> a path,

> and a mission to teach, and really, helping people find their

> 'inner' being

> is a step to having them ask for the next step, --so called --going

> through

> THAT door--perhaps to Christianity, and ALL it offers. Problem with

> MYSELF,

> right NOW! DO I DARE say my program is Christian based? The

> subject of

> 'church' or religion (that I do NOT speak much about) scares alot of

> people

> away from your site (I think, and hope/wish I were wrong) Don't mix

> business

> and FAITH--??? I am NOT NEW AGE, however, --I AM progressive, and

> will hold

> to what I have learned for myself to be TRUTH! EXPERIENCE has

> taught me, and

> I still have alot to learn, at a very young and strong 61 yrs. I

> have been

> told MANY times that I have so much 'energy' (spiritual-power) that

> I can be

> intimidating!

> Frankly, I have so much love to give, and waiting for my niche to

> just catch

> on, that I am busting! I feel like I am really doing something

> WRONG to not

> mention my Faith, however, it is the people who are 'searching' and

> also

> afraid, that I help in such a subtle way.

> DO I DARE say I am Christian based? Do you ALL see my deliema, and

> position?

> I really need your input and help with this one. I want to do the

> right

> thing to help people. I don't want to die a non-prosperous

> christian, IF I

> really don't have to. That is NOT why God had taught me what He has.

> INPUT,

> ---please! Rose softtouchhorsemanship.com (really working on that

> site to

> get it right!) HELP!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again,

 

I believe, as a Christian, that Jesus was all inclusive. Just look at

the men He chose to be his apostles and disciples---that gives me hope He

can and will do something with me, too---betraying Peter, doubting

Thomas,

persecuting Saul, tax collecters, etc. The only criticism He had were for

the pharisees, who were 'the good guys' when they were behaving like

hypocrites 'who had it all together'. Sometimes (not always) organized

religion forgets to point this out.

 

God bless!

 

Celeste

 

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:34:10 EDT STHMBC writes:

> May I please submit a personal 'issue' with myself, and what I do. I

> am a

> very believing Christian woman who has had a few real miracles in my

> life

> (another time). I know that I am not a church. I know that I have

> a path,

> and a mission to teach, and really, helping people find their

> 'inner' being

> is a step to having them ask for the next step, --so called --going

> through

> THAT door--perhaps to Christianity, and ALL it offers. Problem with

> MYSELF,

> right NOW! DO I DARE say my program is Christian based? The

> subject of

> 'church' or religion (that I do NOT speak much about) scares alot of

> people

> away from your site (I think, and hope/wish I were wrong) Don't mix

> business

> and FAITH--??? I am NOT NEW AGE, however, --I AM progressive, and

> will hold

> to what I have learned for myself to be TRUTH! EXPERIENCE has

> taught me, and

> I still have alot to learn, at a very young and strong 61 yrs. I

> have been

> told MANY times that I have so much 'energy' (spiritual-power) that

> I can be

> intimidating!

> Frankly, I have so much love to give, and waiting for my niche to

> just catch

> on, that I am busting! I feel like I am really doing something

> WRONG to not

> mention my Faith, however, it is the people who are 'searching' and

> also

> afraid, that I help in such a subtle way.

> DO I DARE say I am Christian based? Do you ALL see my deliema, and

> position?

> I really need your input and help with this one. I want to do the

> right

> thing to help people. I don't want to die a non-prosperous

> christian, IF I

> really don't have to. That is NOT why God had taught me what He has.

> INPUT,

> ---please! Rose softtouchhorsemanship.com (really working on that

> site to

> get it right!) HELP!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Celeste...

 

> I believe, as a Christian, that Jesus was all inclusive. Just look at

> the men He chose to be his apostles and disciples

>

Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why you suppose that

Jesus didn't choose any women to be apostles and disciples?

--

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Joel P. Bowman, Ph.D.

Email: joel.bowman

Department of Business Information Systems

Western Michigan University

http://spider.hcob.wmich.edu/~bowman

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[Guest guest]

Joel:

 

That is an interesting comment, and I think it has to be

considered within the parameters of the Hebrew community from

2000 years ago. There *were* important women involved in the

support of the disciples, including their wives and women like

Mary Magdalen who offered financial support to their work. Jesus'

mother Mary 'stimulated' the first recorded miracle at Cana by

asking her son to help out because they'd run out of wine ;-) The

first people to witness the resurrection and report it were

women. However, the bulk of the scriptures were written by men,

and men with a limited social perspective based on their Jewish

(and in Paul's case Roman) ideas of the role of women in the

home, in religion and in politics.

 

The Judeo-Christian ethic and its approach to women has long been

a matter of discussion, especially in modern application in

churches. Scriptures can be read literally or figuratively, and

they are seldom viewed simply within their time frame for

relevance. I thought for a long time that Paul was a misogynist.

I have my moments about the inclusion of what amounts to a pile

of his letters to churches in a book of scriptures. They are

eloquent, to be sure, but I'm not sure that they are any more

inspired than, say, a book by Billy Graham <LOL>

 

It's a good thing, too, IMO, to understand that it was the RC

church that decided what we see and what we don't see in the

Bible, particularly the New Testament, allowing some things to be

'canonized' and some not. For a fuller perspective it might be

good to check out some of the non-canonical scriptures like the

Gnostic gospels, or as some people call them " the Other Bible " .

Issues of reincarnation, sexuality and other 'purged' subjects

are touched on in these " lost gospels " (and you can find hinted

references in the regular gospels as well)

 

There are also some wonderful books about the women in the Bible,

from Eve to Priscilla, and the indications of their spiritual

lives and influence. In the history of many world religions,

women have held a position that is not necessarily the same as

men, although it could be argued that they served the world with

as much power, as the hands that rocked the cradles, stood behind

the thrones, started hospitals, orphanages and schools.

 

Blessings,

Crow

 

" Joel P. Bowman " wrote:

>

> Celeste...

>

> > I believe, as a Christian, that Jesus was all inclusive.

> Just look at

> > the men He chose to be his apostles and disciples

> >

> Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why you suppose that

> Jesus didn't choose any women to be apostles and disciples?

> --

[Guest guest]

Crow...

 

FYI: My comment wasn't so much about history as it was

about Celeste's phrasing. What was, was. What people

perceive and think are not necessarily the same as what was.

 

--

---------------------------

Joel P. Bowman, Ph.D.

Email: joel.bowman

Department of Business Information Systems

Western Michigan University

http://spider.hcob.wmich.edu/~bowman

---------------------------

[Guest guest]

But He did! Way beyond anything of his time---Mary, Martha, Mary

Magdelen---to name a few!

 

Celeste

 

On Tue, 03 Jul 2001 06:11:10 -0400 " Joel P. Bowman "

<joel.bowman writes:

> Celeste...

>

> > I believe, as a Christian, that Jesus was all inclusive. Just

> look at

> > the men He chose to be his apostles and disciples

> >

> Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why you suppose that

> Jesus didn't choose any women to be apostles and disciples?

> --

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> Email: joel.bowman

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> Western Michigan University

> http://spider.hcob.wmich.edu/~bowman

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[Guest guest]

Just brain dead, I guess. Thirty lashes with a wet noodle! I was

thinking of a particular article I once read concerning the fantasy of

Jesus giving a psychological test to choose his disciples/apostles. Of

course, they all failed except Judas. Thanks for pointing out my faux pas

so I can correct it.

 

Celeste

 

On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:37:54 -0400 " Joel P. Bowman "

<joel.bowman writes:

> Celeste...

>

> > But He did! Way beyond anything of his time---Mary, Martha, Mary

> > Magdelen---to name a few!

> > > > I believe, as a Christian, that Jesus was all inclusive. Just

> > > look at the men He chose to be his apostles and disciples

> >

> I'm still curious, of course, about what stopped you from

> saying " the men AND WOMEN He chose to be his apostles and

> disciples. "

> --

> ---------------------------

> Joel P. Bowman, Ph.D.

> Email: joel.bowman

> Department of Business Information Systems

> Western Michigan University

> http://spider.hcob.wmich.edu/~bowman

> ---------------------------

>

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Celeste...

 

> But He did! Way beyond anything of his time---Mary, Martha, Mary

> Magdelen---to name a few!

> > > I believe, as a Christian, that Jesus was all inclusive. Just

> > look at the men He chose to be his apostles and disciples

>

I'm still curious, of course, about what stopped you from

saying " the men AND WOMEN He chose to be his apostles and

disciples. "

--

---------------------------

Joel P. Bowman, Ph.D.

Email: joel.bowman

Department of Business Information Systems

Western Michigan University

http://spider.hcob.wmich.edu/~bowman

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[Guest guest]

Oooo. I disagree. What people perceive and think is what was. Each

person experiences reality in a totally personal way and there is no

One Truth.

Audrey

 

, " Joel P. Bowman " <joel.bowman@w...> wrote:

> FYI: My comment wasn't so much about history as it was

> about Celeste's phrasing. What was, was. What people

> perceive and think are not necessarily the same as what was.