Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 Hi All: Well, as a caveat to all the research and spirituality things, I thought I'd pass along this excerpt from Dr. Larry Dossey's book " Healing Words " . On another list I was surprised to hear someone remark that research had never proven the efficacy of prayer. Apparently Dr. Dossey had been under the same misapprehension at one time, as well: http://www.spiritsite.com/writing/lardos/part4.htm -- --- Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " --- Caroline " Crow " Abreu AIM: CaroCrow Messenger: NRGbalance MSN Messenger: NRGbalance URL: http://www.geocities.com/nrgbalance " We see things not as they are but as we are. " The Talmud " I fumble along as best I can, now good, now bad, and I hope generally fair-to-middling. " Antoine de Saint-Exupery " Plunge boldly into the thick of life. " Goethe Spam Delenda Est! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 I dunno.... I remember reading the studies a few years ago and there were a number of problems with them. I'm not saying prayer doesn't work, but I don't think Dossey has proven that it does. I'd like to read them over again just to be reminded of what it was specifically that I'm referring to. If anyone comes across them, please post! Linda " DrNature " ------------------- Linda Ryan, PhD Physical and Mental Health Nutrition, Herbs, Weight Career, Achieving your Goals http://www.DrNature.net ------------------ Caroline Abreu wrote: > Hi All: > > Well, as a caveat to all the research and spirituality things, I > thought I'd pass along this excerpt from Dr. Larry Dossey's book > " Healing Words " . On another list I was surprised to hear someone > remark that research had never proven the efficacy of prayer. > Apparently Dr. Dossey had been under the same misapprehension at > one time, as well: > > http://www.spiritsite.com/writing/lardos/part4.htm > > -- > --- > Blessings, > Crow > " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " > --- > Caroline " Crow " Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 While prayer may work there are better ways. Prayer is talking to God. Meditation is listening to God. If you want God's advice or help, I would think it's better to listen. The same holds true for affirmations. Better to ask questions of the subconscious to evoke the changes rather than jamming desires at the subconscious. Jeff Bodnar has this interesting article from Rex Steven Sikes at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jbodnar/nlp.html rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 Rusty: I think that is a rather simplistic approach to prayer. At its best, prayer is not talking to God, it is communicating with God; and communication means both talking and listening. Blessings, Crow Rusty Morgan wrote: > > While prayer may work there are better ways. > Prayer is talking to God. > Meditation is listening to God. > If you want God's advice or help, I would think it's better to > listen. > The same holds true for affirmations. > Better to ask questions of the subconscious to evoke the > changes > rather than jamming desires at the subconscious. > Jeff Bodnar has this interesting article from Rex Steven Sikes > at: > http://home.earthlink.net/~jbodnar/nlp.html > rusty > > **************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2001 Report Share Posted July 5, 2001 I read somewhere about this type of affirmation where you Ask, instead of Telling (was it someone here?). Like; " Why am I so happy? " " How did I get this great job? " etc. It seems much more friendly to me than trying to force myself to suspend belief in something I am saying that is not yet true. Audrey , " Rusty Morgan " <rustym@p...> wrote: > While prayer may work there are better ways. > Prayer is talking to God. > Meditation is listening to God. > If you want God's advice or help, I would think it's better to listen. > The same holds true for affirmations. > Better to ask questions of the subconscious to evoke the changes > rather than jamming desires at the subconscious. > Jeff Bodnar has this interesting article from Rex Steven Sikes at: > http://home.earthlink.net/~jbodnar/nlp.html > rusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 I've often found things work when I say a prayer of thanks instead of complaining. Seems saying thanks even when things appear at the bottom works wonders. It allows me control because I realize if God is there He doesn't and won't listen to me b----. But stating thanks and meaning it brings its own blessings. Karen audreylee wrote: > I read somewhere about this type of affirmation where you Ask, > instead of Telling (was it someone here?). Like; " Why am I so > happy? " " How did I get this great job? " etc. It seems much more > friendly to me than trying to force myself to suspend belief in > something I am saying that is not yet true. > Audrey > > , " Rusty Morgan " <rustym@p...> wrote: > > While prayer may work there are better ways. > > Prayer is talking to God. > > Meditation is listening to God. > > If you want God's advice or help, I would think it's better to > listen. > > The same holds true for affirmations. > > Better to ask questions of the subconscious to evoke the changes > > rather than jamming desires at the subconscious. > > Jeff Bodnar has this interesting article from Rex Steven Sikes at: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jbodnar/nlp.html > > rusty > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2001 Report Share Posted July 6, 2001 I don't ask, I thank! Thank-you for this wonderful life, thank-you for all the wonderful things I have to give and that I recieve. Thank-you for the challenges, they give life such a richness. I thank in advance as if they are already manifested because time is an illusion. Love and Light, Ninox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 I've also found that giving thanks for the situation 'just as it is' seems to release God's powere to work in it. I know that is a stretch---as it was for me many years ago. Merlin Carothers books opened me up to this perspective (From Prison to Praise, Power in Praise, etc.) Celeste On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:26:35 -0500 Karen Sellars <ksellars writes: > I've often found things work when I say a prayer of thanks instead of > complaining. Seems saying thanks even when > things appear at the bottom works wonders. It allows me control > because I realize if God is there He doesn't and > won't listen to me b----. But stating thanks and meaning it brings > its own blessings. > > Karen > > audreylee wrote: > > > I read somewhere about this type of affirmation where you Ask, > > instead of Telling (was it someone here?). Like; " Why am I so > > happy? " " How did I get this great job? " etc. It seems much more > > friendly to me than trying to force myself to suspend belief in > > something I am saying that is not yet true. > > Audrey > > > > , " Rusty Morgan " <rustym@p...> wrote: > > > While prayer may work there are better ways. > > > Prayer is talking to God. > > > Meditation is listening to God. > > > If you want God's advice or help, I would think it's better to > > listen. > > > The same holds true for affirmations. > > > Better to ask questions of the subconscious to evoke the changes > > > rather than jamming desires at the subconscious. > > > Jeff Bodnar has this interesting article from Rex Steven Sikes > at: > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jbodnar/nlp.html > > > rusty > > > > **************************************** > > Visit the community page: > > > For administrative problems -owner > > To , - > > > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of > the group and the individual authors. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 I wouldn't worry about praying to your own inner self as Scripture says, " The Kingdom of God is within you. " Celeste On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:04:24 -0400 CL <tink-im writes: > > > >I also feel good saying 'thankyou " to whoever is listening. But I > realize, > that the only person that really may care if I feel gratitude is my > own > inner self. An attitude of gratitude creates its own feedback loop, > the > more your grateful, the more things seem to come into your life that > you > will be grateful for. Much like seeing the glass as half full. It > changes > your perspective. > Many people do " gratitude jounals " where you just take a few > minutes each > night to write down 3 things your grateful for that day. This > creates a > huge shift, in that, your unconscious starts noticing things during > the day, > that it can write in the journal. > I think many spiritual concepts, like prayer and such, really make > sense > to the scientific mind aside from religion, as they seem to be > helpful to > the personal psyche. > love > connie > > > **************************************** > Visit the community page: > > For administrative problems -owner > To , - > > All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the > group and the individual authors. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 >I also feel good saying 'thankyou " to whoever is listening. But I realize, that the only person that really may care if I feel gratitude is my own inner self. An attitude of gratitude creates its own feedback loop, the more your grateful, the more things seem to come into your life that you will be grateful for. Much like seeing the glass as half full. It changes your perspective. Many people do " gratitude jounals " where you just take a few minutes each night to write down 3 things your grateful for that day. This creates a huge shift, in that, your unconscious starts noticing things during the day, that it can write in the journal. I think many spiritual concepts, like prayer and such, really make sense to the scientific mind aside from religion, as they seem to be helpful to the personal psyche. love connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2001 Report Share Posted July 9, 2001 This is sooooo true.....gratitude can indeed change your perspective and when you focus on what good and great things you have in your life it makes all the difference in attitude. I offer prayers of gratitude each day when I walk on the beach here in No. CA, I am so grateful for my life, my lifestyle, my health and the abundance thereof. Many blessings to you all this day, Love, Lilla I also feel good saying 'thankyou " to whoever is listening. But I realize, that the only person that really may care if I feel gratitude is my own inner self. An attitude of gratitude creates its own feedback loop, the more your grateful, the more things seem to come into your life that you will be grateful for. Much like seeing the glass as half full. It changes your perspective.... --- Lilla Luoma --- lillabell For great low cost vitamins check out the Generic Co-op (a site (sight) with heart) http://www.1shoppingcart.com/app/aftrack.asp?AFID=12054 Free supplements to cancer patients and the poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Action ---> Connie looking in the mirror down her throat trying to see this kingdom. LOL i agree celeste. I think it is within and without. If we choose gratitude, we'll realize we've been in the garden of eden all along. love connie > celeste m sullivan <csull3 > > Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:04:15 -0500 > > Re: Re: Prayer Research > > I wouldn't worry about praying to your own inner self as Scripture says, > " The Kingdom of God is within you. " > > Celeste > > On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:04:24 -0400 CL <tink-im writes: >> >> >>> I also feel good saying 'thankyou " to whoever is listening. But I >> realize, >> that the only person that really may care if I feel gratitude is my >> own >> inner self. An attitude of gratitude creates its own feedback loop, >> the >> more your grateful, the more things seem to come into your life that >> you >> will be grateful for. Much like seeing the glass as half full. It >> changes >> your perspective. >> Many people do " gratitude jounals " where you just take a few >> minutes each >> night to write down 3 things your grateful for that day. This >> creates a >> huge shift, in that, your unconscious starts noticing things during >> the day, >> that it can write in the journal. >> I think many spiritual concepts, like prayer and such, really make >> sense >> to the scientific mind aside from religion, as they seem to be >> helpful to >> the personal psyche. >> love >> connie >> >> >> **************************************** >> Visit the community page: >> >> For administrative problems -owner >> To , - >> >> All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the >> group and the individual authors. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 The Kingdom, is 'within you', --YES, --however, you must not 'hold' on to that, within you, as your own, It does not grow, until you give it back to the God who is also outside of you. Ego, is interesting, and we all may struggle with it's power of 'I'-dentity. Me too, for I also am --of the I AM, --'right'? We ARE OF the I AM, but NOT the I AM! Remember, we are ONLY a part of that Great I AM, when we GIVE BACK what spiritual powers we do have, even in the miniscule particles of our own beings. ('I' Am --a [particle] little 'speck' in the universe, --a little 'space' in time.) A friend once described ego this way. A molecule was once part of the vast universe, living grandly. One day that molecule decided it wanted to be recognized for the 'who' --'I' AM, --so it made it's OWN identity known, and therefore saw the 'universe' from that sole identity, --therefore setting itself apart --'from' --that universe. Now, that individual molecule was seeing the world from the other side [of a sheet of plywood, that had a tiny hole in it], --for THAT is ALL that 'one' molecule could see from, being through that tiny hole. To DROP our personal ego, --making that 'decision' --is to drop that plywood, to again, be apart of that great I AM. This can ONLY be done when we drop our ego's pants[so to speak], --to expose our nakedness --of 'spirit'. Then --we are accepted, as one with the ALL. Expose your/our ego! Then we can be ----purified! Then, another's ego --is only a small particle in this-'our' --vast universe that you are now a part of. We must 'WAIT' on the others to 'self-decide' to drop their own drawers! (plywood-wall). rose been thers, done that! This is one time that - " united we stand, divided we fall " , means something else. " United we ALL stand, divided, --YOU fall! " Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 Love it---never meant one to exclude the other---just wanted to emphasize the one. The Kingdom of God is both within and among us! Celeste On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:23:40 EDT STHMBC writes: > The Kingdom, is 'within you', --YES, --however, you must not 'hold' > on to > that, within you, as your own, It does not grow, until you give it > back to > the God who is also outside of you. > > Ego, is interesting, and we all may struggle with it's power of > 'I'-dentity. > Me too, for I also am --of the I AM, --'right'? > > We ARE OF the I AM, but NOT the I AM! Remember, we are ONLY a part > of that > Great I AM, when we GIVE BACK what spiritual powers we do have, even > in the > miniscule particles of our own beings. ('I' Am --a [particle] little > 'speck' > in the universe, --a little 'space' in time.) > > A friend once described ego this way. > A molecule was once part of the vast universe, living grandly. One > day that > molecule decided it wanted to be recognized for the 'who' --'I' AM, > --so it > made it's OWN identity known, and therefore saw the 'universe' from > that > sole identity, --therefore setting itself apart --'from' --that > universe. > > Now, that individual molecule was seeing the world from the other > side [of a > sheet of plywood, that had a tiny hole in it], --for THAT is ALL > that 'one' > molecule could see from, being through that tiny hole. > > To DROP our personal ego, --making that 'decision' --is to drop that > plywood, > to again, be apart of that great I AM. This can ONLY be done when > we drop > our ego's pants[so to speak], --to expose our nakedness --of > 'spirit'. Then > --we are accepted, as one with the ALL. > > Expose your/our ego! Then we can be ----purified! Then, another's > ego --is > only a small particle in this-'our' --vast universe that you are now > a part > of. > > We must 'WAIT' on the others to 'self-decide' to drop their own > drawers! > (plywood-wall). rose been thers, done that! > > This is one time that - " united we stand, divided we fall " , means > something > else. > " United we ALL stand, divided, --YOU fall! " Rose > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2001 Report Share Posted July 10, 2001 This is a great website where people list 15 things they are joyful about today. http://www.howmuchjoy.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000015.html Audrey , CL <tink-im@c...> wrote: > Many people do " gratitude jounals " where you just take a few minutes each > night to write down 3 things your grateful for that day. This creates a > huge shift, in that, your unconscious starts noticing things during the day, > that it can write in the journal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 What a great idea, Thanks so much, love connie > > This is a great website where people list 15 things they are joyful > about today. > http://www.howmuchjoy.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000015.html > Audrey > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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