going crazy

[Guest guest]

Hi Audrey,

 

I could really resonate with your dilemma as I have had similiar experiences (my

number one critical self-talking voice said something to the effect " who the 'h

e double hockey sticks' do you think you are " ). What really started me on my

journey was having major somatic symptoms (crushing heaviness in my chest, panic

attacks, crying a lot). It was my body finally saying that it wanted to be in

relationship with my mind. I look back now and my mind probably just needed

some company (desperately at that too). That was the starting point. I entered

talk therapy for a few years and it helped just a little. Fortunately one of my

therapists was also a bioenergetics practitioner - just another way to enter my

experience somatically. I also remember making distinct decisions throughout my

journey. One of the major ones, was to learn how to be kinder and gentler on

myself. I have been practicing for about ten years now and am finally proud to

say that I have made some progress and that the journey has been absolutely

worth it. And then sometimes we are just handed events into our laps that help

us to learn our lessons. For me this was losing a baby (my third child) to

stillbirth, just after I started my massage therapy practice and signing a lease

for rented space. Then five months later my marriage was unable to sustain the

loss of the baby and was unable to continue. At this point in my life, I

couldn't really go any lower (I remember saying to myself one time, " God why am

I being kicked as I am falling down?), so just kept persevering with my goal of

being kinder and gentler with myself. Also, what really helped me was to stay

connected to what I was feeling and sensing in my body. Attending Matthew van

der Giessens' school (Somatic Arts Institute) helped me immensely too. Total

immersion in bodymind connectivity. This was where I really learned to create

an observant self to watch my self-talk and its connection to what I was

experiencing in my body. I now practice in bed every morning, observing my

thoughts and responses on my body, then changing thoughts and then watching the

response on my body. It is a lot of fun and I love to feel energy spread and

not be so scrunched up in little balls. Better than LSD anytime, Ha, Ha.

Anyway, just a little of my story. Now it's up to you to engage with your story

on all levels - physical, spiritual, emotional, intellectual and find your own

unique path. All I know is that it is worth all the effort to journey into the

depths of oneself. There is nothing sweeter (it has also helped me to be more

present to my clients). Always remember to keep in touch with the divine that

dwells deep within you. Take care

 

Kim Boyes

Tzu Touch Massage Therapy & Somatic Practice

Compassionate Touch to Facilitate the Healing Inner Journey

tzu-touch

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm in a long-term relationship with a wonderful, wise person. He is

> requesting me to be 'present' in my/our life. Good advice, So why

> can't/don't I do it?

 

Dear Audrey:

I hear alot of wonderful advice to you, and I agree with it, but I have a

question.

Why is this issue of being in the present moment so important to him and

you that it would upset you so much? What does it represent to you?

I doubt anyone is fully successful at always living in the present moment.

And I would advise anyone to remember the past enough to learn from it, and

to consider the future enough to prepare for it.

Here is just a guess.

My suspicion is that this " present moment " issue for him is about

commitment. If I'm wrong please correct me. I only say that, cause I've

heard this one before. " why can't you be just happy with what we have now? "

translation, I don't want to think about commitment now cause it scares me

to death to have to consider only having one choice for the rest of my life,

so I just want to enjoy what I have now.

With more sophisticated people it comes to be a conversation about present

moment and being in the now. I tried for years to " be here now " ala Ram

Dass (I just love Ram Dass) . Try as I might, I would have nastalgic

moments or dream futures with my beloved etc. Then my brother suddenly died

at 48, unexpectedly. I found myself so forced into the present moment in

grief. No matter what I did I couldn't get out of the very NOW of the pain.

Memories didn't help, too painful, future was painful as it seemed bleek

without him. The ever present awful now. When I began to heal, I knew I

was healing, because I could envision the future as joyful, I came back to

Hope, and I could reminise about the past with wonderful memories. I was

finially home, safe and well and healed with 3 feet. 1 foot in the

wonderful past, 1 foot in my hopeful future and 1 foot in the perfection of

the present moment, which includes all that I am including memories and

hopes.

Why isn't your boyfriend enjoying his present moment, which includes a

wonderful lady who also has 3 feet? What is true for him in this moment is

that he can embrace a fragile lovely being, who needs to be nurtured, not

critized for her ability to " On a clear day, she can see forever " .

Please, if this does not apply, just disregard. I realize that I'm

speaking about my stash, not yours, but thought I'd share, as sometimes the

shoe can fit more that one foot, in my case 3 feet. LOL

my thoughts are with you.

love

connie

[Guest guest]

HI,

 

May I add something to the B-vitamin suggestion? You might want to look

into ones that you can dissolve under your tongue (sublingual) as the

stomach acids seem to interfere with them when taken orally. You could

also get shots (intramuscular). That is a bit expensive and awkward,

though.

 

Celeste

 

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:41:03 EDT rputman writes:

> Hi Audrey,

>

> I'm going to add a few more choices for you to consider. YOU know

> your

> situation best, so you're the one best able to decide which

> approach(es) to

> try.

>

> (1) The first thing that comes to my mind is B vitamins. An adequate

> supply

> of the complex of B vitamins is very important for feeling good

> about life

> and yourself and for coping with bumps on life's road. B vitamins

> are water

> soluble, and hence are not stored well in the body; they need to be

> continually replaced. It's good to take the B vitamins as a complex,

> rather

> than individual B's.

>

> Various lifestyle habit excesses can zap the B vitamins. The bad

> news is I

> don't remember WHICH excesses are a problem. <G> Maybe somebody can

> step in

> here and help me out with that. Look at your own habits and see if

> there are

> any candidates. E.g. Drinking several quarts a day of any given

> beverage

> other than water? Check to see if that beverage zaps B vitamins. Are

> you

> getting a lot of any unnatural additive in your diet - such as

> Nutrasweet? If

> so, try backing off of that additive and see if you notice a

> difference.

>

> (2) An herbal product containing St. John's wort and griffonia seed

> can help

> a person deal with daily stresses and life events and bring hope

> back into

> the future.

>

> (3) There are many chemicals in everyday household consumable

> products which

> can adversely affect the nervous system. _The Safe Shopper's Bible_

> [available on line or in many bookstores] lists many common

> household

> consumable products which contain neurotoxins - stuff that is toxic

> to your

> nervous system. There are manufacturers that specifically design

> their

> products to be safe. We buy our consumables from such a

> manufacturer.

>

> (4) Consider going to a hypnotherapist who does regression

> hypnotherapy. I'd

> suggest first getting references and checking those references to

> make sure

> the person is really capable. Of all my suggestions, this one would

> be the

> most expensive.

>

> *****

>

> CHOICE is a wonderful gift in your life. You ARE free to choose.

> Choose what

> YOU would like to do to make your life a happier experience and then

> DO it.

> If it doesn't work, move on to your next choice. The alternative is

> to

> continue on the path you have said is not leading to real happiness

> for you.

> One of my favorite sayings comes to mind:

> If you continue to think like you've always thought

> You'll continue to get what you've always got!

>

> If you want a different result, then you've got to DO something

> different. If

> you have questions about any of my suggestions I can go into more

> detail via

> private e-mail. I also should mention that I'm not a medical

> professional.

>

> Rich Putman in MN

>

> Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes.

> That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile way - and barefoot.

>

> <A HREF= " http://EarnSave.homestead.com/index2.html " >Enhance your

> life!</A>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Audrey,

 

I'm going to add a few more choices for you to consider. YOU know your

situation best, so you're the one best able to decide which approach(es) to

try.

 

(1) The first thing that comes to my mind is B vitamins. An adequate supply

of the complex of B vitamins is very important for feeling good about life

and yourself and for coping with bumps on life's road. B vitamins are water

soluble, and hence are not stored well in the body; they need to be

continually replaced. It's good to take the B vitamins as a complex, rather

than individual B's.

 

Various lifestyle habit excesses can zap the B vitamins. The bad news is I

don't remember WHICH excesses are a problem. <G> Maybe somebody can step in

here and help me out with that. Look at your own habits and see if there are

any candidates. E.g. Drinking several quarts a day of any given beverage

other than water? Check to see if that beverage zaps B vitamins. Are you

getting a lot of any unnatural additive in your diet - such as Nutrasweet? If

so, try backing off of that additive and see if you notice a difference.

 

(2) An herbal product containing St. John's wort and griffonia seed can help

a person deal with daily stresses and life events and bring hope back into

the future.

 

(3) There are many chemicals in everyday household consumable products which

can adversely affect the nervous system. _The Safe Shopper's Bible_

[available on line or in many bookstores] lists many common household

consumable products which contain neurotoxins - stuff that is toxic to your

nervous system. There are manufacturers that specifically design their

products to be safe. We buy our consumables from such a manufacturer.

 

(4) Consider going to a hypnotherapist who does regression hypnotherapy. I'd

suggest first getting references and checking those references to make sure

the person is really capable. Of all my suggestions, this one would be the

most expensive.

 

*****

 

CHOICE is a wonderful gift in your life. You ARE free to choose. Choose what

YOU would like to do to make your life a happier experience and then DO it.

If it doesn't work, move on to your next choice. The alternative is to

continue on the path you have said is not leading to real happiness for you.

One of my favorite sayings comes to mind:

If you continue to think like you've always thought

You'll continue to get what you've always got!

 

If you want a different result, then you've got to DO something different. If

you have questions about any of my suggestions I can go into more detail via

private e-mail. I also should mention that I'm not a medical professional.

 

Rich Putman in MN

 

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes.

That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile way - and barefoot.

 

<A HREF= " http://EarnSave.homestead.com/index2.html " >Enhance your life!</A>

[Guest guest]

beautiful post. connie.

 

-

CL <tink-im

 

éåí çîéùé 12 éåìé 2001 08:21

Re: going crazy

 

 

> I'm in a long-term relationship with a wonderful, wise person. He is

> > requesting me to be 'present' in my/our life. Good advice, So why

> > can't/don't I do it?

>

> Dear Audrey:

> I hear alot of wonderful advice to you, and I agree with it, but I have

a

> question.

> Why is this issue of being in the present moment so important to him

and

> you that it would upset you so much? What does it represent to you?

> I doubt anyone is fully successful at always living in the present moment.

> And I would advise anyone to remember the past enough to learn from it,

and

> to consider the future enough to prepare for it.

> Here is just a guess.

> My suspicion is that this " present moment " issue for him is about

> commitment. If I'm wrong please correct me. I only say that, cause I've

> heard this one before. " why can't you be just happy with what we have

now? "

> translation, I don't want to think about commitment now cause it scares me

> to death to have to consider only having one choice for the rest of my

life,

> so I just want to enjoy what I have now.

> With more sophisticated people it comes to be a conversation about

present

> moment and being in the now. I tried for years to " be here now " ala Ram

> Dass (I just love Ram Dass) . Try as I might, I would have nastalgic

> moments or dream futures with my beloved etc. Then my brother suddenly

died

> at 48, unexpectedly. I found myself so forced into the present moment in

> grief. No matter what I did I couldn't get out of the very NOW of the

pain.

> Memories didn't help, too painful, future was painful as it seemed bleek

> without him. The ever present awful now. When I began to heal, I knew I

> was healing, because I could envision the future as joyful, I came back to

> Hope, and I could reminise about the past with wonderful memories. I was

> finially home, safe and well and healed with 3 feet. 1 foot in the

> wonderful past, 1 foot in my hopeful future and 1 foot in the perfection

of

> the present moment, which includes all that I am including memories and

> hopes.

> Why isn't your boyfriend enjoying his present moment, which includes a

> wonderful lady who also has 3 feet? What is true for him in this moment

is

> that he can embrace a fragile lovely being, who needs to be nurtured, not

> critized for her ability to " On a clear day, she can see forever " .

> Please, if this does not apply, just disregard. I realize that I'm

> speaking about my stash, not yours, but thought I'd share, as sometimes

the

> shoe can fit more that one foot, in my case 3 feet. LOL

> my thoughts are with you.

> love

> connie

>

>

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[Guest guest]

GREAT! NOW, MAKE A DECISION, --NOT TO! Try to stick to it! Glad you're

feeling better today. This CAN BE SO, --DAILY! Rose

---Choice!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Audrey,

 

I'm a long-time lurker here on and off. I read your message with sorrow

and hope that you are being given an opportunity to learn something about

yourself. These little learning experiences are often awful to go

through, neh?

 

But, I do want to ask a question to provoke thought. Someone here

suggested that your partner was equating " being present " with avoiding

thinking about the future. This is certainly one way to read those words.

But what if asking you to " be present, " is asking you to react to the

things *he* is doing rather than perceptions of them based on outdated

models or other people. In this context, " being present " would be a

synonym for the Buddhist concept of mindfulness, rather than a purely

temporal thing. Does this resonate at all?

 

Chris Bartlettt

[Guest guest]

Dear Rich,

Thanks for the advice. I often forget about the B vitamin/stress

connection. (I just took a B complex and KavaKava.)

Here's my dilema with a part of your good advice, which was: " Choose

what YOU would like to do to make your life a happier experience and

then DO it. " I grew up with so much discouragement and disparagement

of what I felt, believed, and wanted that I am unwilling to commit to

wanting anything very often. I usually don't register internally any

kind of passionate desires - they are too fraught with guilt, fear of

ridicule or punishment, etc. This makes any 'good' thing a very mixed

bag for me. Anything I want comes with a truckload of conflicting

internal responses so that choosing what I would like; what would

make my life a happier experience, is like a gift-wrapped bomb and

DOING what I would like; that would make my life a happier

experience, is practically forebiden. I think sometimes about (I

think it was Eleanor Roosevelt said:) " You must do that thing that

you are most afraid of doing. " Partly, I hate this because it is just

so damn hard to do and partly I mistrust that it will be the cure.

Audrey

[Guest guest]

Thank you; Anat, Connie, Dan, Kim, Ninox, Rich, Rose, Rusty; for

sharing with me, responding with advice, compassion, stories...

Many appreciations and return blessings.

 

 

 

I'm out of the pit today. (Who knows about tommorow, or even later

today?) Still tired of the rollercoaster - don't want to go around

again. :-r

 

Audrey

[Guest guest]

Welcome Aurdry:

good luck to you.

love

connie

 

> audreylee

>

> Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:28:28 -0000

>

> Re: going crazy

>

> Thank you; Anat, Connie, Dan, Kim, Ninox, Rich, Rose, Rusty; for

> sharing with me, responding with advice, compassion, stories...

> Many appreciations and return blessings.

>

>

>

> I'm out of the pit today. (Who knows about tommorow, or even later

> today?) Still tired of the rollercoaster - don't want to go around

> again. :-r

>

> Audrey

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chris:

That is a very good point as well.

love

connie

 

> Christopher Bartlett <bridgeweaver

>

> Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:52:52 -0400

>

> Re: Re: going crazy

>

> Dear Audrey,

>

> I'm a long-time lurker here on and off. I read your message with sorrow

> and hope that you are being given an opportunity to learn something about

> yourself. These little learning experiences are often awful to go

> through, neh?

>

> But, I do want to ask a question to provoke thought. Someone here

> suggested that your partner was equating " being present " with avoiding

> thinking about the future. This is certainly one way to read those words.

> But what if asking you to " be present, " is asking you to react to the

> things *he* is doing rather than perceptions of them based on outdated

> models or other people. In this context, " being present " would be a

> synonym for the Buddhist concept of mindfulness, rather than a purely

> temporal thing. Does this resonate at all?

>

> Chris Bartlettt

>

>

>

> ****************************************

> Visit the community page:

> For administrative problems -owner

> To , -

>

> All messages, files and archives of this forum are copyright of the

> group and the individual authors.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris,

I'm honored to have bumped you out of lurking...

 

" is asking you to react to the things *he* is doing rather than

perceptions of them based on outdated models or other people. "

Exactly: being present = mindfulness in this case. I definitely react

with programs from the past, placing him in the role of a NEEDED

(perhaps all-powerful?) being from my past. He is asking me to be

here with _him_, thinking about the things we have agreed that we

want to make happen in our life and I just can't seem to get the hang

of it, or don't want to admit I don't want some part of it (plan or

presentness).

 

Sure, it's a learning experience (I hope), but; Whew! you call

this 'little? (!!!!!!!!!)

 

Audrey

 

 

 

, Christopher Bartlett <bridgeweaver@m...> wrote:

> Dear Audrey,

>

> I'm a long-time lurker here on and off. I read your message with

sorrow

> and hope that you are being given an opportunity to learn something

about

> yourself. These little learning experiences are often awful

to go

> through, neh?

>

> But, I do want to ask a question to provoke thought. Someone here

> suggested that your partner was equating " being present " with

avoiding

> thinking about the future. This is certainly one way to read those

words.

> But what if asking you to " be present, " is asking you to react to

the

> things *he* is doing rather than perceptions of them based on

outdated

> models or other people. In this context, " being present " would be a

> synonym for the Buddhist concept of mindfulness, rather than a

purely

> temporal thing. Does this resonate at all?

>

> Chris Bartlettt

[Guest guest]

audrey,

 

these thought processes that you feel holding you back, have you ever

acknowledged how they have served you in the past and helped keep you safe

when you were in a different world than you are in now? i kind of found the

first step to changing limiting behaviors started with recognizing that they

did something for me at one point that i needed which took away some of the

self judgement and started a process of forgiveness. when you realize what

you get out of something that is holding you back, it becomes easier to find

a more appropriate to current circumstances and effective alternative to

replace it with.

 

as for fear of ridicule and all that stuff you mentioned, there are several

things to point out. it sounds like you now know how to surround yourself

with people that are not likely to treat you that way, so those outcomes are

not likely from anyone external that matters. the word " likely " brings me to

the next point, which is that to change a pattern, you pretty much have to

take some risk, and that risk is doing something different and seeing what

happens and learning from it, rather than sticking with old familiar. it

sounds like you might be in a place where you are capable of a little bit of

wisely chosen risk? you are in a safe place where you have a bit of support

in your self exploration? the other possibilities in addition to the

outcomes you fear, aren't they just as likely if not moreso based on current

circumstances? and maybe worth stepping out of the familiar here and there

in little ways? the little ways add up and strengthen you for bigger changes

if that is what you want.

 

hope this stuff helps a bit, good luck, i am sure everything will turn out

just as it should and in the way that is best, and however that looks you

have an opportunity to learn something about you.

 

someone submitted a link on here before to a woman's story in 6 parts about

getting in touch with her soul and putting to rest her limiting patterns, i

don't remember the link but i am sure it's in the archives or someone might

remember it?

 

~kimberlee (who is working on limiting patterns which make things like

posting to a discussion group kinda scary)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kimberlee,

Thank you so much for taking your own risk and making this post. If I

didn't know better, I might think you were me - your advice seemed to

come straight from where I am. Thank You.

Audrey

 

, " kimberlee " <berlee@z...> wrote:

> audrey,

> these thought processes that you feel holding you back,

> ~kimberlee (who is working on limiting patterns which make things

like

> posting to a discussion group kinda scary)

[Guest guest]

> Dear Kimberlee,

> Thank you so much for taking your own risk and making this post. If I

> didn't know better, I might think you were me - your advice seemed to

> come straight from where I am. Thank You.

> Audrey

 

hey and look, the outcome wasn't so bad! *grin*

 

~kimberlee

[Guest guest]

P.S. glad i was able to reflect that part of yourself you might benefit from

listening to.

 

> Dear Kimberlee,

> Thank you so much for taking your own risk and making this post. If I

> didn't know better, I might think you were me - your advice seemed to

> come straight from where I am. Thank You.

> Audrey

[Guest guest]

Dear Chris,

I'm sorry your world is tumbling around.

 

My own only discontent with my current partnership is that I don't

make enough 'alone time' for myself. I'm not sure I could be in any

full time commited relationship and ever have enough alone time too.

This person I'm commited to is a person I know I have much to learn

from and I keep beliveing that we are soul mates. My definition of

soul-mate comes from Kenny Loggins: " A soul-mate is the one person

whose love is powerful enough to motivate you to meet your soul, to

do the emotional work of self-discovery, of awakening. " Certainly, my

partner is presenting me with this awakening. Whether I choose to

meet my soul and do the work, or run away... (well. It dawns on me,

writing this; I am running away - everytime I don't continue to be

engaged in my now. And it's my choice, whether I want to meet my soul

and do the work, with or without his help and love.) Thank you Chris.

HugYou.

Audrey

 

, Christopher Bartlett <bridgeweaver@m...> wrote:

> Dear Audrey,

>

> Big, little, all depends on where you are at the moment. This is no

> attempt to minimize your pain. I am in fact in the position of

having to

> honestly tell my wife that the life she has planned for us is one

that I

> can't accompany her in. We've both been forgetting to be present

in the

> way I described earlier this morning. The probable result in the

external

> world is that we will separate, her with anger, me with deep

sorrow.

>

> Another question to provoke thought. Have you considered, and it

sounds as

> though you have, that perhaps you are not content with your

partnership,

> and are thus not ready to stay present with your partner? If you

are as

> full of self-contradiction as your writing to us shows, then

perhaps you

> need to focus on your own garden before agreeing to merge that

garden with

> that of another. Does that resonate with your world?

>

> I am sending you the sober joy that comes from knowing that however

> difficult your chosen course is, that you are consciously choosing

it.

>

> In love and hope,

> Chris Bartlett

[Guest guest]

> > Dear Kimberlee,

> > Thank you so much for taking your own risk and making this post.

If I

> > didn't know better, I might think you were me - your advice

seemed to

> > come straight from where I am. Thank You.

> > Audrey

 

 

> hey and look, the outcome wasn't so bad! *grin*

> ~kimberlee

 

 

Maybe we can both learn this stuff! Thank you for you.

HugYou,

Audrey

[Guest guest]

Namaste Kimberlee.

 

Audrey

 

, " kimberlee " <berlee@z...> wrote:

> P.S. glad i was able to reflect that part of yourself you might

benefit from

> listening to.

>

> > Dear Kimberlee,

> > Thank you so much for taking your own risk and making this post.

If I

> > didn't know better, I might think you were me - your advice

seemed to

> > come straight from where I am. Thank You.

> > Audrey

[Guest guest]

Dear Audrey,

 

I know what you mean about being dissuaded from being in touch with your

wants and needs, desires, etc.

I, too, grew up with the idea that it was selfish to want anything. It

has taken many years for me to realize how I had been set up to sabotage

myself. I now believe that God pleases legitimate wants and desires in

out hearts to lead us. Of course, this takes discernment and wisdom to

decipher legitimate desires from inappropriate ones but we don't want to

throw out our legitimate wants and needs and replace them with anothers'.

As a mother, I was always putting my family before myself---until I was

so depressed I needed therapy. This turned out to be blessing, though.

Trusting oneself comes in here as well as trusting life. We will make

mistakes---that's a given--- but the biggest mistake, I think, is to deny

your legitimate inner self. It is crying to be heard and we must first

listen to it ourself before we can share it with others. We need to be

our own best friend.

 

God bless! I will keep you in my prayers.

 

Celeste

 

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:48:17 -0000 audreylee writes:

> Dear Rich,

> Thanks for the advice. I often forget about the B vitamin/stress

> connection. (I just took a B complex and KavaKava.)

> Here's my dilema with a part of your good advice, which was:

> " Choose

> what YOU would like to do to make your life a happier experience and

>

> then DO it. " I grew up with so much discouragement and disparagement

>

> of what I felt, believed, and wanted that I am unwilling to commit

> to

> wanting anything very often. I usually don't register internally any

>

> kind of passionate desires - they are too fraught with guilt, fear

> of

> ridicule or punishment, etc. This makes any 'good' thing a very

> mixed

> bag for me. Anything I want comes with a truckload of conflicting

> internal responses so that choosing what I would like; what would

> make my life a happier experience, is like a gift-wrapped bomb and

> DOING what I would like; that would make my life a happier

> experience, is practically forebiden. I think sometimes about (I

> think it was Eleanor Roosevelt said:) " You must do that thing that

> you are most afraid of doing. " Partly, I hate this because it is

> just

> so damn hard to do and partly I mistrust that it will be the cure.

> Audrey

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[Guest guest]

Chris,

 

You wrote: " If you are as full of self-contradiction as your writing

to us shows, " and I would be grateful to hear your views of the

contradictions I have been displaying (and anyone else who sees this

too). I may be too close to see them.

 

 

In response to your situation; one thought I have for you is to

remember that people who appear angry are often feeling hurt. When I

left my husband of 13 years, he hated my guts for a long time because

I hurt him by rejecting him. Know also that what is truely right for

you is also truely right for the others that your life touches, and

only you can know in your heart what is truely right for you.

 

Audrey

[Guest guest]

a friend of mine went to a Buddist retreat for a weekend. Being Mindful, is

one thing she brought back. It is STILL helping her. Look into this more

Audrey. Rose

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Beautiful, Chris! Rose

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>May I add something to the B-vitamin suggestion? You might want to

look

>into ones that you can dissolve under your tongue (sublingual) as the

>stomach acids seem to interfere with them when taken orally. You

could

>also get shots (intramuscular). That is a bit expensive and awkward,

>though.

This is applicible for B-12. but the other Bs are easily absorbed in

capsule form but not necesarily in tablet form.

BTW. The pro biotic " Bifidus " , helps the body make it's own B-12.

rusty

[Guest guest]

Thank you Thank you all so much. You are wonderful to respond so

generously and kindly. I've copied all of your replies onto a word

processing document, so I can re-read them and consider the parts

that call for more attention (and will add any additional posts as

well). Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I'm so grateful to have found this group.

Audrey